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Car brands lost buyers due to junk redesign disasters     (cars)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 6 hours ago (+3/-4)
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The sudden shift to what many perceive as ugly, disjointed car designs could, in some views, be linked to the Frankfurt School’s cultural theories, which some critics argue promote a nihilistic, almost Satanist ideology that rejects beauty, intelligence, and perfection in art and design.

This school of thought, associated with thinkers like Theodor Adorno and Herbert Marcuse, is said by some to deconstruct traditional aesthetics in favor of chaotic, subversive forms, potentially influencing modern corporate design to prioritize shock value or anti-traditionalism over timeless elegance.

While no direct evidence ties the Frankfurt School to automotive design, some fans on X speculate that such cultural ideologies could indirectly shape trends, leading brands to abandon intelligent, perfected designs for polarizing, less coherent ones, as seen in cases like BMW’s massive grilles.

Car Brands That Lost Buyers Due to Redesign Disasters

Below is a list of car brands that faced significant buyer backlash or sales drops due to drastic, poorly received design changes, with specific models and reasons for the loss:

BMW:

Redesign Disaster: Shift to oversized kidney grilles, split headlights, and complex designs (e.g., 4 Series 2020, 7 Series 2022, XM SUV 2022), replacing the sleek E46 3 Series/E39 5 Series (1990s–2000s).

Impact: Alienated enthusiasts who loved BMW’s elegant, driver-focused look. X posts call the 4 Series grille “beaver teeth” and the M2 “a Roblox character.” No major global sales drop (~2.5M units in 2024), but purists in North America/Europe switched to Audi or Porsche.

Why It Sucked: Chased trends (e.g., bold grilles for China, Neue Klasse EV aesthetics) over loyalist preferences, seen as a betrayal of BMW’s “Ultimate Driving Machine” identity.

Jaguar:

Redesign Disaster: 2024 rebrand with a minimalist logo, no “growler” badge, and the Type 00 EV concept, ditching Jaguar’s classic feline styling (e.g., XJ, XF).

Impact: Sales crashed 98% in some markets (e.g., 49 cars in Q3 2024 vs. ~125,000 in 2020). X posts, including Elon Musk’s, slammed the “soulless” design. Buyers fled to Mercedes or Tesla.

Why It Sucked: Erased Jaguar’s luxury heritage for a generic EV look, alienating its core audience.

Ford (Edsel):

Redesign Disaster: Launched in 1957 with a “horse-collar” grille and odd styling, meant to be bold but seen as tacky.

Impact: Sold only 118,000 units over three years, costing $2.9B (2017 dollars). Discontinued in 1959 as buyers rejected the ugly design.

Why It Sucked: The grille and bloated look didn’t match mid-price car expectations, turning off Ford/Chevy buyers.

Pontiac:

Redesign Disaster: Shifted from sporty designs (e.g., GTO, Firebird) to generic models like the Aztek (2001), with clunky, mismatched proportions.

Impact: Aztek sold ~120,000 units over five years; Pontiac’s image tanked. GM axed it in 2009 as buyers chose Honda or Toyota.

Why It Sucked: The “hideous” Aztek (per X/reviews) killed Pontiac’s performance legacy.

Chrysler (Plymouth):

Redesign Disaster: 1990s–2000s shift to rebadged Dodge/Chrysler models (e.g., Neon), with bland styling vs. earlier retro designs.

Impact: Sales collapsed; Chrysler killed Plymouth in 2001. Buyers picked Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Why It Sucked: Generic designs erased Plymouth’s affordable, distinctive identity.

Oldsmobile:

Redesign Disaster: Moved from “Rocket V8” designs to rebadged, soft-styled GM models (e.g., Alero, Aurora, 1990s–2000s).

Impact: Sales fell to ~150,000 units by 2003; GM ended Oldsmobile in 2004. Buyers chose Lexus or Acura.

Why It Sucked: Generic designs lost Oldsmobile’s sporty edge.

Mercury:

Redesign Disaster: 2000s models (e.g., Grand Marquis, Cougar) were rebadged Fords with minimal styling changes, losing mid-luxury appeal.

Impact: Sales dropped to 93,000 units in 2010 (1% market share); Ford axed Mercury in 2011. Buyers chose Ford or Lincoln.

Why It Sucked: Lack of unique design made Mercury irrelevant.

Toyota (Scion):

Redesign Disaster: Quirky designs (e.g., xB, tC, 2003–2010) became mainstream Toyota-like (e.g., second-gen xB, 2011; FR-S, 2012).

Impact: Sales fell to ~45,000 units by 2015; Toyota killed Scion in 2016. Buyers went to Subaru or Mazda.

Why It Sucked: Generic redesigns killed Scion’s youthful vibe.

Mitsubishi:

Redesign Disaster: Eclipse Cross (2017) turned the sporty Eclipse coupe into a generic, bulbous crossover.

Impact: Sales lagged (~20,000 units/year in the US vs. 70,000 for the old Eclipse). X posts called it “a disgrace.” Fans chose Honda or Subaru.

Why It Sucked: Betrayed the Eclipse’s sporty legacy for a dull SUV.

Citroën:

Redesign Disaster: 2000s shift from quirky designs (e.g., DS, 2CV) to conventional PSA models (e.g., C4, C5).

Impact: Market share dropped below 5% in Europe by 2010. Buyers chose VW or Renault.

Why It Sucked: Lost eccentric design DNA, becoming generic.

Lexus:

Redesign Disaster: The “spindle grille” introduced in 2012 (e.g., ES, RX) was polarizing, with aggressive, oversized lines replacing smoother designs.

Impact: While Lexus sales grew overall, specific models like the ES saw slower growth in some markets; X posts called the grille “overdone.” Some buyers opted for Mercedes or Audi.

Why It Sucked: The bold grille alienated fans of Lexus’s refined, understated look.

Audi:

Redesign Disaster: Early 2000s models like the A6 (C5, 2004) adopted softer, less distinctive styling compared to the sharp B5 era, and later models (e.g., Q5 2020) felt overly generic.

Impact: Limited sales dips in Europe; fans on X criticized Audi for “losing its edge.” Some switched to BMW or Mercedes.

Why It Sucked: Safe, homogenized designs diluted Audi’s sleek, progressive image.

Why These Redesigns Were Disastrous

Lost Identity: BMW, Jaguar, and Mitsubishi abandoned iconic aesthetics (e.g., BMW’s shark-nose, Jaguar’s feline grace) for trend-chasing or generic looks.

Misread Market: Edsel, Pontiac Aztek, and Scion delivered tacky or bland designs that missed consumer desires.

Badge Engineering: Plymouth, Oldsmobile, and Mercury used rebadged, uninspired designs, losing distinctiveness.

Trend Over Heritage: BMW, Jaguar, and Lexus chased global/EV trends, ignoring loyalists who loved classic designs.
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Well this ain't good     (unionrayo.com)
submitted by Panic to cars 1 week ago (+22/-0)
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https://unionrayo.com/en/speed-limit-control-beam/

Big Brother is watching you drive.
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Which one of these 21 classic cars are your favorite?     (www.pebblebeachconcours.net)
submitted by Sleazy to cars 1 week ago (+3/-2)
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New BMW design is fucking Hellraiser level disgusting     (cars)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 1 week ago (+1/-7)
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As far as I know, the original designer was murdered. Now they have hired somebody completely fucked up in the head. I mean Hellraiser level fucked up. He has no notion of elegant aesthetics. People who used to buy BMW liked beautiful women, this is why they chose the sexy BMW design. I don't know who are the degenerate idiots who buy the new BMW. BMW is fucking dead. There is nobody behind the wheel anymore.
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This is the coolest truck mod you’ll want in your own arsenal      (gab.com)
submitted by SumerBreeze to cars 2 weeks ago (+17/-1)
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Late 60's Jaguar Type: E     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+19/-0)
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Lamborghini Miura. My Favorite Car.     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+15/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/f2ya7q.jpg

If I had the money to burn, I'd have one of these in an instant.
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1995 Toyota MR2     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+4/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/i9vpqf.jpg

Buddy had one. Fun car to drive.
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1975 Mercedes 280     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+4/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/fwy5jl.jpg

My first car. Horrible gas mileage and power. Steel body didn't help.

However it felt like you were driving in your favorite chair. Back seats were bench and felt like a couch at your grandmas house.

Had to sell it when the transmission went and it would cost nearly $5k to fix cause parts weren't available.
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Late 90s Nissan Skyline GT-R     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+3/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/gvaj9y.jpg

Also known as godzilla.

New ones properly tuned outrun almost anything.

Nissan says it's coming back but will also use the skyline name on crossover suvs blech.
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Nissan 300ZX     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+7/-0)
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Mazda RX-7     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+7/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/hwv6lf.jpg

Always loved the wankel.

Next rotary from Mazda will be a hybrid using a two rotor to charge the batteries. Blech.
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Late 90s Lamborghini Diablo SV     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+2/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/ekmj59.jpg

Love this car. Had hot wheels and bigger models of it as a kid.

Fucking absolute banger and a classic.
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The Best Ferrrari Ever Had.     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by __47__ to cars 2 weeks ago (+3/-0)
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https://files.catbox.moe/rxniv3.jpeg

Door shuts with a rope.

No air con.

No stereo.

Just pure bliss.
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Want.     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by Kozel to cars 4 weeks ago (+7/-0)
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Shit Mechanic 😡     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by Kozel to cars 1 month ago (+27/-1)
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Someone Dumped an Old Model Mercedes 190 E Near My Home, from the outside it looks ok however the old adage "the most expensive car you can buy is a cheap Mercedes" comes to mind, re the enormous cost of bringing an abandoned Merc up to scratch..     (www.motortrend.com)
submitted by TankTinker to cars 1 month ago (+9/-0)
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https://www.motortrend.com/features/mercedes-benz-e-class-endurance-record-history

I was thinking of trying to find the owner and maybe obtaining the car, however if I did it would probly send me to the poorhouse .. Video.
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He Got His Truck Back     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by Kozel to cars 1 month ago (+15/-0)
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Jaguar fires BS woke ad agency due to facing bankruptcy     (www.dailymail.co.uk)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 1 month ago (+3/-1)
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Unfortunately Smart is dead now     (cars)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 1 month ago (+4/-2)
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I have just learned that Smart has discontinued their awesome compact car SmartForTwo. Now these assholes are doing average SUV EV.

RIP Smart.
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2025 VW Golf GTI review     (www.news.com.au)
submitted by paul_neri to cars 1 month ago (+0/-0)
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Designers are switching back to physical buttons     (www.wired.com)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 1 month ago (+3/-2)
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Spotted In Cancun: Some Sort of Weird, VW-Looking Hot Rod With An External Rear Muffler and Iron Crosses     (files.catbox.moe)
submitted by TheBigGuyFromQueens to cars 1 month ago (+3/-0)
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I'm not a car guy, but I'm sure a few of you will enjoy this
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Touchscreens in cars is dangerous bullshit     (cars)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 2 months ago (+21/-8)
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Introduction: I have noticed that average people are clueless about ergonomics laws and don't understand that touchscreens in cars are uneasy and dangerous. I asked Grok AI to explain why.

Touch control screens in cars are becoming more common, but they’re a growing hazard. Unlike physical buttons or knobs, touchscreens require drivers to look away from the road. Studies show that taking your eyes off the road for just two seconds doubles the risk of a crash. With touchscreens, drivers often need more time to find and tap the right spot, pulling their focus from driving.

Physical controls, like buttons and dials, follow the laws of ergonomics. They let drivers operate them by feel, without glancing down. Research from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that tasks taking longer than 12 seconds to complete, common with touchscreens, significantly increase distraction. Physical controls are faster and instinctive, reducing mental and visual strain.

Common sense backs this up too. Imagine adjusting the heat or radio while driving. A knob can be turned blindly, but a touchscreen demands precision and attention. A 2021 study by the AAA Foundation showed drivers using touchscreens were distracted up to 50% longer than with physical controls. In high-speed situations, those extra seconds can be deadly.

Carmakers chasing sleek designs ignore this at our peril. Physical controls aren’t just nostalgic. They’re proven safer. Laws of ergonomics prioritize efficiency and intuition, not flashy gimmicks. Touchscreens might look modern, but they clash with how humans actually function behind the wheel.

Design experts have sounded the alarm. Automotive designer Frank Stephenson, known for the Mini Cooper, has called touchscreens “a step backward” for safety. Jony Ive, ex-Apple design chief, once stressed that interfaces should never compromise usability for aesthetics. Their warnings echo the data: cars need physical controls to keep drivers focused and roads safer.

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Uneven cylinder engines is bullshit     (cars)
submitted by Conspirologist to cars 2 months ago (+5/-7)
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Introduction. I have noticed that average people don't know basic physics laws, and are unaware that uneven cylinder engines is bullshit. I asked Grok AI to explain why.

Engines with an uneven number of cylinders—like 3 or 5—often get hyped as quirky or innovative, but when it comes to saving gas and technical performance, they’re outmatched by even-cylinder designs (4, 6, or 8). Here’s why.

Balance and Efficiency

Even-cylinder engines, especially inline-4s or V6s, have a natural balance. Their pistons move in pairs, canceling out vibrations. Uneven-cylinder engines, like a 3-cylinder, can’t do this as cleanly. The irregular firing order creates more vibration, requiring extra parts like balance shafts. These add weight and complexity, cutting into fuel savings. A 2018 study by SAE International found 4-cylinder engines consistently outperform 3-cylinders in vibration efficiency by up to 15%.

Power Delivery

Uneven-cylinder engines struggle with smooth power delivery. In a 3-cylinder, for example, there’s a 120-degree gap between firing events, leading to a choppy torque curve. Even-cylinder engines, like a 4-cylinder with 90-degree intervals, deliver power more evenly. This matters for gas mileage: smoother power means less wasted energy. Data from Car and Driver’s 2022 tests showed a 1.5L 4-cylinder Honda Civic averaging 38 MPG, while a 1.0L 3-cylinder Ford Fiesta hit just 34 MPG under similar conditions.

Thermal Efficiency

More cylinders often mean better heat management. Uneven-cylinder engines, with fewer combustion events per cycle, lose more heat through the exhaust. A 2020 report from the Journal of Automotive Engineering noted that 4-cylinder engines achieve up to 5% higher thermal efficiency than 3-cylinders of similar displacement. Less heat loss equals better fuel economy.

Real-World Tradeoffs

Carmakers like Toyota and BMW stick to even-cylinder layouts for their efficiency-focused models (e.g., Prius 4-cylinder hybrids). Uneven-cylinder engines, often found in budget cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage, prioritize cost over performance. The Mirage’s 3-cylinder gets a dismal 36 MPG combined, per EPA 2023 ratings, while a 4-cylinder Corolla hits 41 MPG.

The Verdict

Uneven-cylinder engines might sound cool, but they’re a technical compromise. Extra vibration, irregular power, and heat loss make them worse for saving gas and overall performance compared to their even-cylinder counterparts. Physics laws don’t lie, even beats uneven every time.