Plato realizes that the general run of humankind can think, and speak, etc.,
without (so far as they acknowledge) any awareness of his realm of Forms.
The allegory of the cave is supposed to explain this.
In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to
prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is
the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the
prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers,
who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of
the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that
pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by
objects that they do not see. Here is an illustration of Plato’s Cave:
From Great Dialogues of Plato (Warmington and Rouse, eds.) New York, Signet
Classics: 1999. p. 316.
Such prisoners would mistake appearance for reality. They would think the things
they see on the wall (the shadows) were real; they would know nothing of the
real causes of the shadows.
So when the prisoners talk, what are they talking about? If an object (a book,
let us say) is carried past behind them, and it casts a shadow on the wall,
and a prisoner says “I see a book,” what is he talking about?
He thinks he is talking about a book, but he is really talking about a shadow.
But he uses the word “book.” What does that refer to?
Plato gives his answer at line (515b2). The text here has puzzled many editors,
and it has been frequently emended. The translation in Grube/Reeve gets the
point correctly:
“And if they could talk to one another, don’t you think they’d suppose that the
names they used applied to the things they see passing before them?”
Plato’s point is that the prisoners would be mistaken. For they would be taking
the terms in their language to refer to the shadows that pass before their eyes,
rather than (as is correct, in Plato’s view) to the real things that cast the
shadows.
If a prisoner says “That’s a book” he thinks that the word “book” refers to the
very thing he is looking at. But he would be wrong. He’s only looking at a
shadow. The real referent of the word “book” he cannot see. To see it, he would
have to turn his head around.
Plato’s point: the general terms of our language are not “names” of the physical
objects that we can see. They are actually names of things that we cannot see,
things that we can only grasp with the mind.
When the prisoners are released, they can turn their heads and see the real
objects. Then they realize their error. What can we do that is analogous to
turning our heads and seeing the causes of the shadows? We can come to grasp the
Forms with our minds.
Plato’s aim in the Republic is to describe what is necessary for us to achieve
this reflective understanding. But even without it, it remains true that our
very ability to think and to speak depends on the Forms. For the terms of the
language we use get their meaning by “naming” the Forms that the objects we
perceive participate in.
The prisoners may learn what a book is by their experience with shadows of
books. But they would be mistaken if they thought that the word “book” refers to
something that any of them has ever seen.
Likewise, we may acquire concepts by our perceptual experience of physical
objects. But we would be mistaken if we thought that the concepts that we grasp
were on the same level as the things we perceive.
imho they are doing more than any other movement in recent memory. There are some that are more "pure" like PA or whatever jan and linder identify as, but they aren't good for normies.
There are also politicians on there, and that is huge. The more they deplatform the more power we'll have.
sometimes it can happen quickly, as red pills spread people will be more willing to drop them on npcs. At a party/family/etc if there is only one of us we don't multiply like we would if there were 2 or 3.
they don't need to bring back more executions, although i'm not fully against it, only because of the corruption of the courts and politicians, but for cases like this we should at least send them to the russians or chinese to help in their camps.
GoldenAgeWhen 4 points 3.0 years ago
Should add "agency" to the list. They have it until it is someone else's fault.
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GoldenAgeWhen 2 points 3.0 years ago
The problem with any "platform" is that it takes customers, to get sellers, to get customers, to...
I think the path to take would be to post on multiple platforms in parallel and offer discounts for the better platforms.
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GoldenAgeWhen 3 points 3.0 years ago
That's nothing, africans make helicopters in their backyards.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3.0 years ago
It isn't even down that much. Where are the people making fun of Disney and twitter investors?
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3.0 years ago
It is strictly tribal alignment. They don't charge whit leftists either.
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GoldenAgeWhen 2 points 3.0 years ago
You are dangerously close to doing a "miles of cock" calculation.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3.0 years ago
How do we find people? All i can really think of is the shot, but that misses a lot both directions.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3.0 years ago
I couldn't read the page linked so here it is:
Plato realizes that the general run of humankind can think, and speak, etc.,
without (so far as they acknowledge) any awareness of his realm of Forms.
The allegory of the cave is supposed to explain this.
In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to
prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is
the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the
prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers,
who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of
the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that
pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by
objects that they do not see. Here is an illustration of Plato’s Cave:
From Great Dialogues of Plato (Warmington and Rouse, eds.) New York, Signet
Classics: 1999. p. 316.
Such prisoners would mistake appearance for reality. They would think the things
they see on the wall (the shadows) were real; they would know nothing of the
real causes of the shadows.
So when the prisoners talk, what are they talking about? If an object (a book,
let us say) is carried past behind them, and it casts a shadow on the wall,
and a prisoner says “I see a book,” what is he talking about?
He thinks he is talking about a book, but he is really talking about a shadow.
But he uses the word “book.” What does that refer to?
Plato gives his answer at line (515b2). The text here has puzzled many editors,
and it has been frequently emended. The translation in Grube/Reeve gets the
point correctly:
“And if they could talk to one another, don’t you think they’d suppose that the
names they used applied to the things they see passing before them?”
Plato’s point is that the prisoners would be mistaken. For they would be taking
the terms in their language to refer to the shadows that pass before their eyes,
rather than (as is correct, in Plato’s view) to the real things that cast the
shadows.
If a prisoner says “That’s a book” he thinks that the word “book” refers to the
very thing he is looking at. But he would be wrong. He’s only looking at a
shadow. The real referent of the word “book” he cannot see. To see it, he would
have to turn his head around.
Plato’s point: the general terms of our language are not “names” of the physical
objects that we can see. They are actually names of things that we cannot see,
things that we can only grasp with the mind.
When the prisoners are released, they can turn their heads and see the real
objects. Then they realize their error. What can we do that is analogous to
turning our heads and seeing the causes of the shadows? We can come to grasp the
Forms with our minds.
Plato’s aim in the Republic is to describe what is necessary for us to achieve
this reflective understanding. But even without it, it remains true that our
very ability to think and to speak depends on the Forms. For the terms of the
language we use get their meaning by “naming” the Forms that the objects we
perceive participate in.
The prisoners may learn what a book is by their experience with shadows of
books. But they would be mistaken if they thought that the word “book” refers to
something that any of them has ever seen.
Likewise, we may acquire concepts by our perceptual experience of physical
objects. But we would be mistaken if we thought that the concepts that we grasp
were on the same level as the things we perceive.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3.0 years ago
This is community. They took it from us.
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GoldenAgeWhen 3 points 3.0 years ago
Say what you want about pharma, but hydroxyzine is great.
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3.0 years ago
At least this one will not rely on PCR with ??? CT.
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3.0 years ago
They are in a box normally, but mice can chew a hole to get through it if plastic. This looks like a knockout was missing, usually not a big deal
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3.0 years ago
They fucking love insulation, causes so many problems.
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3.0 years ago
Not sure why disney is so into being proud of noah. weird
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3.0 years ago
How are asymmetric keys broken? They don't rely on 3rd party certs.
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3.0 years ago
Whitmer needs to swing for it. This retard needs to be in a cage, but it is her fault.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3 years ago
ain't that the truth
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3 years ago
imho they are doing more than any other movement in recent memory. There are some that are more "pure" like PA or whatever jan and linder identify as, but they aren't good for normies.
There are also politicians on there, and that is huge. The more they deplatform the more power we'll have.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3 years ago
sometimes it can happen quickly, as red pills spread people will be more willing to drop them on npcs. At a party/family/etc if there is only one of us we don't multiply like we would if there were 2 or 3.
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3 years ago
I wish we could make a torrent or something to share. Kind of how there was that PDF a while ago.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3 years ago
they don't need to bring back more executions, although i'm not fully against it, only because of the corruption of the courts and politicians, but for cases like this we should at least send them to the russians or chinese to help in their camps.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3 years ago
or fully legalized guns
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GoldenAgeWhen 1 point 3 years ago
He is also doing things for parallel and I think that is even more important than gab.
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GoldenAgeWhen -1 points 3 years ago
never heard of them, i'll have to google it.
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GoldenAgeWhen 0 points 3 years ago
I'm guessing he immediately went out in the twitter hallway to drop one after this.
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