Yeah weve all seen this by now. I heard Lauren Boebert saying something similar. This kind of religious belief is disqualifying. He should have been honest about this level of crazy in his belief system. I can’t support anyone who thinks like this. This belief should be disqualifying for public office.
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursJun 19, 2025 09:25:40 ago (+1/-0)
That is one of the biggest questions I have too about this "promise" and patriarchal or matriarchal lineage.
The "promise" was given before Abraham had any children/sons, and if the promise was given to Abraham, wouldn't that pass down to all his sons? Abraham had a total of 8 sons mentioned in the Bible.
How are the sons blessed?
Sarah had one son - Isaac, who is called the "son of promise". Sounds matriarchal to me, but there are never any blessings given to women.
And the promise given to Isaac is actually a participation trophy: Gen 26:24 And the Lord appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.
Not for anything Isaac was worthy of, just because of Abraham. Jacob's blessing is even worse - Jacob forces God to bless him after wrestling all night, another strange story.
Sarah is Abraham’s wife and also his sister. The mothers of his other kids were concubines. So obviously sarah’s son would be favored.
How are the sons blessed?
It seems obvious theres some sort of ritual in which the father bequeaths his inheritance to his son or sons, like in Jacob & Esau or Joseph.
Not for anything Isaac was worthy of, just because of Abraham. Jacob's blessing is even worse - Jacob forces God to bless him after wrestling all night, another strange story.
Their primitive iron age morality is childlike. I don’t think contemporary europeans would have been much better. Basically “We’re good because we’re us” characterizes this ethos. The world is filled with other tribes, people who are not to be trusted. Naturally the god is on “our” side and hates other tribes. Except when shit goes wrong and then the god is offended in some way. This is an age when gods are arbitrary and capricious, not a force for justice and wisdom. So naturally yahweh picks his heros in arbitrary ways.
I think you are getting at the issue that either Yahweh or the scriptures are inconsistent logically and morally. Its because they are. But don’t worry, theyre fake and gay.
Anyway it appears the the ancient jews were not heavily related as the bible claims, but were civilly united under a king for a period and then under a tyrannical theocracy that force a state religion on people that were polytheists up to a very late date.
Palestinians are the descendents of these ancient jews, not modern jews, who can be shown to be heavily admixed with DNA from many host countries. And thats the whole basis of their claim that Israel is theirs— that they are the seed of abraham. Modern jews have diverse y chromosomal haplogroups indicating their nearest common male ancestor lived ~80k years ago, which is a fucking long time. Modern jews are matrilineally descended from European women which contravenes their own law on “jewishness”
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[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursJun 19, 2025 08:45:08 ago (+1/-0)
The blessing was given to Abraham - full stop. Israel never was Abraham.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
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[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursJun 19, 2025 09:25:40 ago (+1/-0)
The "promise" was given before Abraham had any children/sons, and if the promise was given to Abraham, wouldn't that pass down to all his sons? Abraham had a total of 8 sons mentioned in the Bible.
How are the sons blessed?
Sarah had one son - Isaac, who is called the "son of promise". Sounds matriarchal to me, but there are never any blessings given to women.
And the promise given to Isaac is actually a participation trophy: Gen 26:24 And the Lord appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.
Not for anything Isaac was worthy of, just because of Abraham. Jacob's blessing is even worse - Jacob forces God to bless him after wrestling all night, another strange story.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 hoursJun 19, 2025 10:21:16 ago (+0/-0)
It seems obvious theres some sort of ritual in which the father bequeaths his inheritance to his son or sons, like in Jacob & Esau or Joseph.
Their primitive iron age morality is childlike. I don’t think contemporary europeans would have been much better. Basically “We’re good because we’re us” characterizes this ethos. The world is filled with other tribes, people who are not to be trusted. Naturally the god is on “our” side and hates other tribes. Except when shit goes wrong and then the god is offended in some way. This is an age when gods are arbitrary and capricious, not a force for justice and wisdom. So naturally yahweh picks his heros in arbitrary ways.
I think you are getting at the issue that either Yahweh or the scriptures are inconsistent logically and morally. Its because they are. But don’t worry, theyre fake and gay.
Anyway it appears the the ancient jews were not heavily related as the bible claims, but were civilly united under a king for a period and then under a tyrannical theocracy that force a state religion on people that were polytheists up to a very late date.
Palestinians are the descendents of these ancient jews, not modern jews, who can be shown to be heavily admixed with DNA from many host countries. And thats the whole basis of their claim that Israel is theirs— that they are the seed of abraham. Modern jews have diverse y chromosomal haplogroups indicating their nearest common male ancestor lived ~80k years ago, which is a fucking long time.
Modern jews are matrilineally descended from European women which contravenes their own law on “jewishness”
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That Ted Cruz?
NATURAL BORN CITIZENS only.