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Check your ball joint boots.

submitted by usedoilanalysis to cars 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 08:05:53 ago (+34/-1)     (cars)

Once the boots on your ball joints tear, the wear to the ball joints will accelerate leading to costly suspension repairs. Tie rods can be inspected by twisting them with your hand, they should be fairly stiff with no looseness or slop. If the boots are torn but the ball joint is still nice and stiff, you should definitely replace the boot and regrease the joint. It's much easier and cheaper than having to replace the entire ball joint.

If you want to do this yourself, it's not particularly difficult, albeit a dirty job.

You'll need a ball joint separator tool

https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/otc-6297_w.jpg

This works better than a pickle fork, or using a hammer and a pry bar to break the taper between the ball joint and the upright.

You'll also need a small screw driver, or a set of needle nose pliers to remove the cotter pin holding the ball joint castle nut. Some OEMs no longer use the castle nut and cotter pin, but instead use nylock nuts to secure the ball joint, just something to consider.

Ball joints have 2 ways of seating, some use a spring clip that you have to work on over the ball joint, until the clip seats in a groove. I've found that spreading the spring clip makes it easier to install if you don't have a dedicated tool.

The other way of seating is an internal clip, and to seat this type of boot, requires using a deep socket, or PVC pipe, or some other socket that can fit over the boot and clear the ball joint. Then you use books, or a piece of wood, or some make shift anvil, and with a hammer, drive the lip into place.

If your ball joints are too far gone, then you will have to replace the ball joint, this is more labor intensive and expensive. Some instances require you to purchase an entire new knuckle/upright/spindle. More commonly replacement ball joints that are built into the knuckle/upright/spindle will have a retaining snap ring to keep them from backing out. Most ball joints are made of hardened steel, and tend to be stronger than the spindle, meaning the bore in the spindle tends to distort every time you press in a new ball joint.

Adding to the pain of replacing ball joints is the fact that your alignment will likely be thrown off, since tie rods, and ball joints can and will affect your alignment.

It's much easier to be pro-active and inspect the boots from time to time to make sure they're not leaking grease or dry rotting. Staying on top of this will keep your suspension in good condition for years to come.


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[ - ] bobdole9 4 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 10:24:51 ago (+4/-0)

v/WhitePeopleThings

[ - ] HeyJames 4 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 10:53:03 ago (+5/-1)

No just white men things. Dumb ass women just crash their cars and beg men to fix them

[ - ] Steelerfish 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 22:11:22 ago (+0/-0)

No just white men things. Dumb ass women just crash their cars and beg men to fix them

…Bribe men to fix them….
Ftfy

[ - ] KeepPoal4fags 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 22:57:16 ago (+0/-0)

Are you a chick of some kind? Sex is a two way street in a functioning civilization.

[ - ] HelpAcct123 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 08:18:35 ago (+2/-0)

Thanks I have an 05 corolla i just replaced a clutch on but i definitely need to check the ball joints now.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 14:54:34 ago (+1/-0)

I didn't know my balls had joints, let alone boots....

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 15:32:07 ago (+1/-0)

I guess I dont have any. Kinda disappointed.

[ - ] Jiggggg 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 13:03:22 ago (+1/-0)

Good thread

[ - ] Rotteuxx 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 12:29:19 ago (+1/-0)

"Pressing" a new ball joint with a retaining clip is a gamble, it can come loose even if the vehicle's weight holds it in place (think bouncy rough road).

I always give it 3 tack welds on the bottom for added safety... key word is tack, don't go cooking the grease ffs.

Also, buy ball joints with grease fittings or install some if you can't find any. Greasing from the bottom is the only way to ensure proper lubrication.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 13:51:49 ago (+1/-0)

Man you'll get so much hate for welding ball joints from the safety/ engineering Police but I have done it myself before when there was fitment issues.

[ - ] Rotteuxx 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 14:33:03 ago (+1/-0)

Lol, yeah the "by the book" ppl who have no applied knowledge :D

The parts guy told me if I ever had a lifetime Moog to replace to just grind them clean and let the bottom rust evenly before returning.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 15:10:42 ago (+1/-0)

Don't get me wrong, I try to be by the book when I can. But sometimes it takes a bit of rednecking. One time had a CAT engine with 67k hours (yes really) that had only been running 40% load for a long long time. Fixed the issues plus all kinds of leaks and electrical and it could now run 80% load but backfired like a machinegun.

The fix was adding marvel mystery oil to the cylinders about 3 or 4 times and then spraying Berryman chemtool down the turbo about 3 cans. Carboned up from being chronically under-loaded. Hit like a champ after that! Oem of course would recommend at minimum a cylinder head and at that many hours a rebuild about 27k hours ago lol.

[ - ] Rotteuxx 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 18:53:52 ago (+1/-0)

Berryman chemtool

Is that a solvent like SeaFoam?

Recently did an intake cleaning on my LQ9, the exhaust smoked white for a good 3 minutes. Cleaned the throttle body too, the butterfly was pitch black... fuck the fuel map relearn procedure though, that was a pia, lol.

All because the previous owner cruised around town in his SS to show it off instead of driving it for real, the poor thing was all cruded up & choking in carbon.

If only people understood this, they'd avoid a lot of issues. Drive them babies like you stole 'em once in a while.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 22:45:56 ago (+1/-0)

Is that a solvent like SeaFoam?

Yes very similar stuff.

And yeah there's generally two types of sports car owners: those who NEVER drive them hard and those who just romp on them cold and destroy shit. Carboned up is a bit easier to fix though.

fuck the fuel map relearn procedure though

One of the reasons I switched to heavy duty. After the mid 2000s stuff just started becoming asinine levels of complicated. Too many regulations too fast during the Obama era and companies competing to see who could cram in more Chinese craptastic electronics.

Really don't think there will be too many retail automotive mechanics around in 10 years. Shops charge $140/hr to the customer yet pay technicians $30/hr but expect them to constantly put their personal time and energy into this continuing education and buying specialized tools.

In the future there will probably only be companies like tesla who's repair centers are basically parts cannons that charge you out the ass.

[ - ] Rotteuxx 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 22:23:20 ago (+1/-0)

GMT800 is the most recent platform I want to play with, simple, roomy enough & very basic electronics... The last years of lightly regulated emissions. Parts a plenty in every yard around here too so cheap maintenance.

I think you're right, mechanics will be replaced by technicians with scan tools who don't know shit except what's displayed on the screen. It's already happening in retail garages like Canadian Tire (used to be a respectable franchise).

All this bullshit is why I want to learn everything I can from the old boys before they die off, I want that old school knowledge so I can charge a fortune for it in a few years when people regret modernism :)

Nah, I'm just obsessed with being a renaissance man that can fix anything.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 22:45:24 ago (+0/-0)

GMT800 is a great platform. Done tons of work on those, anything is easy. Truly comfortable seats as well... like your grandpas couch cushions.

What you said about technicians is already happening. Guys love to just slap on parts instead of checking things like relays, resistance, voltage drop etc. In those cases though the customer/management only approves so much diag time and they'd rather just sell a repair even if it's a BS one.

Don't regret one minute going to heavy duty. These machines last decades and there are tons of older models still around that aren't filed with garbage. Heavy duty customers want their shit fixed right the first time so it can get back to work.

Nah, I'm just obsessed with being a renaissance man that can fix anything

Good goal indeed. This is what drove me to pursue wood working in my off time. Not a "wood artist" or even a cabinet maker but I can do framing, build shelves, construction type practical stuff. That's more along what interests me. Another goal is to get better at welding instead of just getting by with farmer stick weld repairs.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 10:49:45 ago (+1/-0)

To check your car for front end play at home, jack up the front end enough that a pry bar fits between the front tire and the ground. Wiggle the tire slightly while observing movement in the front end components. Anything with excessive movement should be replaced.

Most ball joints are made of hardened steel, and tend to be stronger than the spindle, meaning the bore in the spindle tends to distort every time you press in a new ball joint.

The main factor in this is that most new ball joints are sold slightly oversized with a knurled outside to garuntee fitment.

The other way of seating is an internal clip, and to seat this type of boot, requires using a deep socket, or PVC pipe, or some other socket that can fit over the boot and clear the ball joint. Then you use books, or a piece of wood, or some make shift anvil, and with a hammer, drive the lip into place.

Good luck with that lol. Better to rent a ball joint press from the parts store. It's free. Piece of advice: don't bother cleaning the bore. There really is no benefit to doing that and if you go wire wheeling or sanding in there it can easily change the tolerance so the new part won't fit, and one must buy an oversized unit.


A lot of modern designs actually use ball joints that are bolted in rather than pressed and held with a retaining ring.


Also one thing not mentioned here was torque. If you're replacing these, it is absolutely vital to torque properly and under load. You can easily destroy the spindle by not doing this, and in heavy duty applications this can be a very very big deal. Use a floor jack to load up the knuckle and use a good torque wrench to secure the nut.

[ - ] usedoilanalysis [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 11:25:37 ago (+0/-0)

Good luck with that lol. Better to rent a ball joint press from the parts store. It's free.

I wouldn't install a boot with one.

Also one thing not mentioned here was torque. If you're replacing these, it is absolutely vital to torque properly and under load. You can easily destroy the spindle by not doing this, and in heavy duty applications this can be a very very big deal. Use a floor jack to load up the knuckle and use a good torque wrench to secure the nut.


Good call.

You want to pre-load the suspension, by raising the lower control arm with a jack until the car just comes off the jack stand. Then you tighten everything to spec. This way all the bushings and ball joints are clocked to the suspension as if it were sitting on the ground.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 13:48:56 ago (+1/-0)

I wouldn't install a boot with one.

I suppose not! Usually for liability reasons I don't (or rather didn't) re-boot ball joints but have done it on my own stuff before. If it has zerks usually just grease it a little more often TBH

by raising the lower control arm

I usually just put it under the knuckle itself when possible cause that's where the actual wheel will be.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 08:23:56 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 10:25:47 ago (+1/-0)

Diesel or farm equipment?

[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 10:27:24 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] NedsHead 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 22:44:47 ago (+0/-0)

I'm sick of my pickle fork, last time I replaced my head gasket/timing chain I needed to drop tie rods and drag links to get the sump out, every joint I split ended up with fucked rubber boots from the fork

[ - ] Laputois 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 18:45:37 ago (+0/-0)

Unfortunately new parts are not as good as old stock for my 32 year old VW. New rubber components are especially circumspect. In some cases the old 32 year old boots are preferable to new ones which deteriorate in a year.

[ - ] usedoilanalysis [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 06:10:35 ago (+0/-0)

Use at205 on em then wipe dry.

[ - ] I_am_baal 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 17:11:12 ago (+0/-0)

I replaced my baal joints recently. The previous ones just weren't screaming in agony correctly, better safe than sorry.

[ - ] TheBigGuyFromQueens 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 16:15:10 ago (+0/-0)

I ALREADY CHECK MY BALLS AND MY DICK 2 NIGGUH THAT POST LONG AS FUCK U CRACKAS CRAY CRAY I AINT READIN THAT SHIT

[ - ] jsac 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 14:52:31 ago (+0/-0)

or just have a decent job and be able to afford to replace them when the time comes.....

[ - ] usedoilanalysis [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 15:05:43 ago (+0/-0)

I like doing work on my car, it's not the money that's the issue. If some monkey with 5 thumbs and a hammer is going to fuck up my car, it's going to be me. Plus you get a nice boost of testosterone overcoming the adversity that is auto repair. Not to mention, watching you work and being skillful with your tools is like a fucking aphrodisiac to women. Why do you think pool boys fuck lonely house wives? They see a man in shape, working, sweating, doing his job in the sun, you think that's not a thirst trap for the average woman?

[ - ] jsac 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 15:36:20 ago (+0/-0)

my time is more important to me than rolling in a gravel driveway doing something i can afford to have the local wage cuck take care of.

[ - ] usedoilanalysis [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 20:30:35 ago (+0/-0)

Good work isn't cheap, again it's not about the money. It's about the quality of the labor. I'm a wage cuck professional, with pride in my technical abilities. Asking someone else to work on my car is like Leonardo DaVinci asking someone else to paint for him.

[ - ] usedoilanalysis [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 21:32:45 ago (+0/-0)

Good work isn't cheap, again it's not about the money. It's about the quality of the labor. I'm a wage cuck professional, with pride in my technical abilities. Asking someone else to work on my car is like Leonardo DaVinci asking someone else to paint for him.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 15:40:15 ago (+0/-0)

Do you make $90-140/hr? That's what shops charge

[ - ] jsac 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 15:56:55 ago (+0/-0)

i can easily afford that ;)

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 17:00:26 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah but you don't make that much per hour. If your time isn't worth that much then working on your own stuff is worth it.

[ - ] jsac 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 04:13:01 ago (+0/-0)

matter of opinion i guess. one thing ive learned working on my own cars/motorcycles over the years is that when you go to fix one thing 2 others break.... ill let my garage deal with the aggravation and spend my time doing anything else other than getting frustrated.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 09:27:54 ago (+0/-0)

If it's not your cup of tea then that's fine, but financially if you're mechanically inclined it's totally worth it

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 22:44:43 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah, but it is sometimes worth spending more of your hours to avoid aggravations, buying expensive specialty tools, and having someone for your insurance to blame should they fuck something up. But that last bit can mostly be avoided by keeping it within White business that you pre-vet.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2022 22:48:29 ago (+0/-0)

But that last bit can mostly be avoided by keeping it within White business that you pre-vet.

What I recommend is finding a specialty shop for your specific make and model. Independent. They'll usually have guys who are the cream of the crop of former dealer guys and really know what they're doing. Even though I'm a competent trained mechanic, if there's something complicated like a timing belt on an interference engine then I have no problem sending my car to someone like that

[ - ] boomerkiller 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 14:32:57 ago (+0/-0)

Damn thats a whole lot of words. Too bad I’m not reading them.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 1, 2022 14:16:04 ago (+0/-0)

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