Starting somewhere about 1820-ish or so, the immigrants were vetted three and four times.
1) Had to get a letter of "recommendation" from the port authorities to get exit paperwork from the exit country before you could even buy a international ticket. fairly easy to get, lots of corruption in the process. checked pass crimes, current warrants, adultery charges, religious and political checks.
2) Got vetted by the ship company at the exit country dock. There were so many turned back at the American ports, and the shipping lines had to ship folks back at thier expense. Got to be such a problem because of lost revenue on the back passage due to how many got rejected, shipping lines started vetting folks before hand. Saved them lots of $$$$$
3) ElLis island. Everyone pretty much knows about this.
4) starting about 1840 or so, crime and gangs got so bad in New York, the New York local official started vetting folks coming in from Ellis island. Turned about 10-20% away again there.
If the people running this country in the 1800s were concerned about crime, would they have let in so many people from southern italy and ireland? This was not the cream of the European crop. Those groups caused major crime waves. They wanted cheap labor and they didn’t care about quality demographics.
Important point. More so than people realize. It is and always has been a ranch where the rich parasites farm tax and labor cattle. Politics will do nothing. Getting off the ranch and then going after the ranchers...
I'm more realistic than pessimistic. I agree it could be done, but then there's always that pesky "if" that comes next. Fulfilling the conditions of that "if" is where you start running into difficulties.
Then there's the more relevant issue of where in almost 100% of the cases, it's a neighboring rancher or associates stampeding the cattle, not the cattle themselves suddenly rising above their stations. This 'bait-selfdetermination' is typically to the detriment of the cattle.
We need to understand how these bureacratic scams work rather then spending our energy trying to infiltrate their ranks. The elites are non-productive parasites. When we eliminate the practices they get rich off of, we eliminate their power. This includes “socialism” and usury. Big business and big governement are not mutually opposed as I had once thought.
The exploitive patterns off the 19th cent or the 17th century are similar to the patterns we see now. Same patterns in the medieval period or the Roman empire. Parasitic behaviors by both elites and peasants promote dysgenic results and shithole countries.
"We the people" run/ran this place (our own lives).
We each have individual sovereignty granted by God, witnessed by the the founding documents of this country.
When this sovereignty is forfeited (delegated/given over), we experience slavery (losing freedoms).
Your consent matters.
The thinking "the people running this country" assumes no control or sovereignty and is instead a subjection mindset coming from a place of scarcity, when God tells us he has come to give us life and life more abundantly.
It leaves out the part where the savages from the foreign shithole turns the land Back into the savage land our ancestors worked so hard to make into the fully developed western nation.
Were whites living on welfare paid for by native americans? Did we have any expectation of being supported by their society? We stole their land, not their productivity.
They understood the concept of territorial claim perfectly well. No they didn’t have jew lawyers writing up deeds to plots of land. You can’t punish them for lack of litigeousness: “ oh you should have had more jews in your society, you should have had more bureacracy.” Im not feeling that vibe.
They were (mostly) hunter gatherers so they had an inefficient economy in which land resources were not optimally utilized. Whites could support far more people per acre through agriculture. So we simply outbred them. But Im not sure if thats such a great plan either. I hate to sound like a liberal but current population levels are litereally destroying the planet.
When the vikings first got to North America, they wanted their metal weapons and tried desperately to take them from them. Why did they want these metal weapons? So they could murder and rape their naighbors.
Just curious. What did vikings want them for? Did vikings do any of those things?
Indians are sneaky, dishonest, work shy, with low intelligence. Some are violent. But I think we should be fair in admitting we stole their land. They often stole land from each other. But we did it too. And Europeans murdered a fuck ton of our neighbors over the centuries too. Thats not particular to indians.
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 4 monthsJan 25, 2025 18:10:14 ago (+1/-0)
they had an inefficient economy in which land resources were not optimally utilized.
Or they were optimally utilized. Same goes for their population levels.
Regardless, if you look at the 'hockey stick' chart of human population growth and reference available resources, we're clearly nearing the peak of our 'boom' cycle.
Ok it depends on what you mean by optimal. Whites could exploit an acre more efficiently for the purpose of food and a hell of a lot of other resources. So maybe we are questioning the wisdom of that population expansion. Does that mean we need to throw out the baby with the bathwater? Feather niggers are awful.
The vikings were interested in more than wood. They were interested in wealth. You are telling me they conquered parts of Britain and Ireland for wood? They barely have trees in those places. Far more wood in Scandinavia.
White military expansions happen for the same reasons as shitskin invasions. They just look a bit more organized. The motive is reproductive ascendency through resource acquisition. Whites are also creatures of evolution.
Vikings were not limited to iceland and greenland. They were the scourge of Europe for some time. They enslaved many whites. The point is, vikings had a culture that was pretty centered on conquest and thats why they forged those weapons in the first place.
You can’t say “ how dare those indians want weapons, they only wanted to kill people with them!” Vikings produced those weapons for the same reasons. And they brought them to the americas. And they created permanent settlements. They didn’t care about displacing indians. Come on.
Youre trying to change the subject. Theres nothing non-sensical about what Im saying. You challenged my statement that Whites stole Indian lands and then tried to insinuate that they deserved no sympathy because they wanted to use white weapons to kill people. Your argument is flawed since whites used those weapons for the same reasons, not as decorations over the mantle.
Then you tried to distract from the topic with this tangent about Leif Ericson looking for wood. Im not disputing that vikings reached NA in the 11th century. Im not disputing that some of them were looking for wood. It doesnt have anything to do with our dispute. Its a diversion. If you blather on about the timber shortage in greenland for long enough you think I will forget the fallacies you dumped on my doorstep in the first place. I won’t . I have not lost the plot at all unfortunately for you.
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Any of you fuckers ever play Minecraft? I mean back when it first came out before it was marketed to kids, it was an exposé of our inherent sense of industry.
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Starting somewhere about 1820-ish or so, the immigrants were vetted three and four times.
1) Had to get a letter of "recommendation" from the port authorities to get exit paperwork from the exit country before you could even buy a international ticket. fairly easy to get, lots of corruption in the process. checked pass crimes, current warrants, adultery charges, religious and political checks.
2) Got vetted by the ship company at the exit country dock. There were so many turned back at the American ports, and the shipping lines had to ship folks back at thier expense. Got to be such a problem because of lost revenue on the back passage due to how many got rejected, shipping lines started vetting folks before hand. Saved them lots of $$$$$
3) ElLis island. Everyone pretty much knows about this.
4) starting about 1840 or so, crime and gangs got so bad in New York, the New York local official started vetting folks coming in from Ellis island. Turned about 10-20% away again there.
The more you know....
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[ + ] Sector2
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Then there's the more relevant issue of where in almost 100% of the cases, it's a neighboring rancher or associates stampeding the cattle, not the cattle themselves suddenly rising above their stations. This 'bait-selfdetermination' is typically to the detriment of the cattle.
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
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The exploitive patterns off the 19th cent or the 17th century are similar to the patterns we see now. Same patterns in the medieval period or the Roman empire. Parasitic behaviors by both elites and peasants promote dysgenic results and shithole countries.
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[ - ] Love240 0 points 4 monthsJan 25, 2025 17:41:21 ago (+0/-0)
"We the people" run/ran this place (our own lives).
We each have individual sovereignty granted by God, witnessed by the the founding documents of this country.
When this sovereignty is forfeited (delegated/given over), we experience slavery (losing freedoms).
Your consent matters.
The thinking "the people running this country" assumes no control or sovereignty and is instead a subjection mindset coming from a place of scarcity, when God tells us he has come to give us life and life more abundantly.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 2 points 4 monthsJan 25, 2025 17:59:47 ago (+2/-0)
Is simply the reality, although they themselves are divided into owners and managers.
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These people live in a fucking magic world to believe that bullshit
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They were (mostly) hunter gatherers so they had an inefficient economy in which land resources were not optimally utilized. Whites could support far more people per acre through agriculture. So we simply outbred them. But Im not sure if thats such a great plan either. I hate to sound like a liberal but current population levels are litereally destroying the planet.
Just curious. What did vikings want them for? Did vikings do any of those things?
Indians are sneaky, dishonest, work shy, with low intelligence. Some are violent. But I think we should be fair in admitting we stole their land. They often stole land from each other. But we did it too. And Europeans murdered a fuck ton of our neighbors over the centuries too. Thats not particular to indians.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 4 monthsJan 25, 2025 18:10:14 ago (+1/-0)
Or they were optimally utilized. Same goes for their population levels.
Regardless, if you look at the 'hockey stick' chart of human population growth and reference available resources, we're clearly nearing the peak of our 'boom' cycle.
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[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 4 monthsJan 25, 2025 17:57:58 ago (+1/-1)
Well why adopt their bullshit lies then? The over-population myth is a kike lie.
We don't have a responsibility to feed Africa, India, etc.
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Yeah I agree. We should not promote the reproduction of the worst human groups. But we don’t need more white people. We need less brown people.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 4 monthsJan 25, 2025 22:52:23 ago (+0/-0)
But we don’t need more white people.
This is still echoing the kike lie; it is entirely not true.
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White military expansions happen for the same reasons as shitskin invasions. They just look a bit more organized. The motive is reproductive ascendency through resource acquisition. Whites are also creatures of evolution.
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You can’t say “ how dare those indians want weapons, they only wanted to kill people with them!” Vikings produced those weapons for the same reasons. And they brought them to the americas. And they created permanent settlements. They didn’t care about displacing indians. Come on.
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[ + ] PostWallHelena
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Then you tried to distract from the topic with this tangent about Leif Ericson looking for wood. Im not disputing that vikings reached NA in the 11th century. Im not disputing that some of them were looking for wood. It doesnt have anything to do with our dispute. Its a diversion. If you blather on about the timber shortage in greenland for long enough you think I will forget the fallacies you dumped on my doorstep in the first place. I won’t . I have not lost the plot at all unfortunately for you.
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