Jesus said, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. - Matthew 5:17
He fulfilled the law, that which has been fully filled can be of no benefit whatsoever by our dirty, filthy rags that we call 'good works' of the law.
No 'jew' was saved by their works of the Torah; what Paul calls the 'beggarly elements'.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, dying, being the testator of the Old, He, God with us, gave us the New; that the law should lead unto the realization that we are all sinners in need of a savior, and God has given us his Son, God's Word, that he should die as a man on the cross for our sins, to do this for us, that we all may believe on him and be saved.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
you protestants have the weirdest view of the bible. Jesus came to fulfill the old testament covenant that was for a specific people at a specific time, and to create a new covenant for all people of all time. also, faith without works is dead.
tell me which work did the thief on cross when he asked jesus to remember him when he comes in his kingdom what jesus said? verily verily today you shall be with me in paradise
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
need more evidence that salvation is through grace by faith, not of works.
the book of james talks about that the christian should produce fruits of righteousness by clothing the naked and visiting the sick etc etc
its a service issue its not a salvation issue. you catholics err because you wants to add your own works to the finished work of the cross
when jesus finished his work on the cross he declared it was finished. nothing that u can add or substract to the work and shed blood of jesus on that cross.
the cross is what reconcile us with the father, since he's holy and that's why jesus had to die for the sins of the world. you believe and r saved by grace through faith and sealed with the holy spirit until you either die or are resurrected at his second coming
Sure, people need faith. But that is not the only thing they need. If I have faith, but continue in sin, then I won't get to heaven. Good trees bear good fruit.
so you have ceased to sin since you started to believe i take it but scripture tells us....
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
the scripture above teaches that even if your "works" are crap you will still go to heaven.
again, we all are sinners and guess what sinners do? they sin. now when you are saved the inner man doesnt sin since it has been "born again" but the our flesh does sin
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of >God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
look what paul is saying here. did the holy apostle ceased to be a sinner? we will struggle win sin until we have our last breath on this earth. santification is a gradual process for most believers that start at the heart through all of his life.
as a matter of fact, the closer to God you go the more you'll lament your own imperfections and sinfulness that does not to say that we should not strive to do better but we are saved by grace still not by our works
To clarify, my statement referred to someone specifically choosing to engage in mortal sin. For example, an adulterer who is aware of their sinful behavior but chooses to continue anyway. Yes, we are all sinners, but there is a clear difference between a Christian trying to live by the commandments and someone who claims to be Christian and doesn't live by the commandments. This is one instance where faith without works is relevant. It is also why we have the sacrament of confession. We are all sinners, but if one is not even trying to amend their life and bear good fruit, then their faith is dead.
A person 'trying to live by the commandments' is 'trying to live by his own righteousness'.
The Law never imputed 'life' unto one singular man. The law only kills it does not save.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. - Romans 8:1-4
The works of Jesus Christ are finished on the cross; Tacking your filthy puss ridden rags on top does not make it better, it's the ultimate disrespect of God's sacrifice.
Jesus Christ paid it all.
The blasphemous high-mindedness to think your 'good works'(aka filthy rags) affect your relationship with God, who loved us first, Is ludicrous, and shows that you do not know God's Word at all.
James 2 is about profiting others, showing your good works to men that they may profit and that those who see may believe YOU; not to prove to God or to 'earn' your salvation.
You Catholics are headed to hell in a hand basket.
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation.
So what you are saying is that sola scriptura and the right to personal interpretation are not valid. If you say my interpretation is wrong, then you are following a Tradition, which you allegedly reject. The heresy of sola fides and sola scriptura have been debunked many times over the centuries, you need to come to terms with the fact that your faith is based on lies and the pride of heretics. James 2 is not about profiting others, that is nonsense. Even the devil believes in God, yet he ended up in hell.
The heresy of sola fides and sola scriptura have been debunked many times over the centuries,
the only thing that has been debunked has been the worship of saints, icons and mary. the papal infallibility, salvation by works, the mass (which doesnt appear in scripture whatsoever and no the last supper wasnt the mass and the agape feasts of the early church consisted in that everyone would bring their own food and share it with everyone even the LORD'S bread) also we dont see people praying to the dead in the new testament as people do in the mass.
dont get me started about the indulgences that catholic church practiced in the middle ages and the so called holy inquisition. nowhere in the new testament you'll find a commandment to kill infidels
I wish I could sit down with you face to face and discuss this like gentleman, because I have great respect for you. There really is too much here in your post to hash out in a forum such as this. If you are a believer, and are trying to live your life by God's commandments, then I have no quarrel with you, and consider you to be a Christian brother. We may disagree on some points, but let us agree our destination is Heaven.
oh that would be fun to do but i guess this will suffice since i dont like to meet people offline.
i mean i have done so through family members and the experience has been less than stellar.
btw, i also respect you too. the feeling is mutual. is okay to disagree even though ours seems like chasms that cant be crossed but nope i no it will towards you whatsoever.
my family is catholic but not too observant. they go to mass for baptisms and to prayers for dead relatives when they pass on. i have been with them a few times out of respect despite my disagreements on many issues
the only positive that i see on the catholic church is that they are more serious at the practice than some protestants (pentecostals often go overboard at their services to their own shame)
i believe though that the true church is invisible and only God knows who are part of it. amen
So what you are saying is that sola scriptura and the right to personal interpretation are not valid.
Learn to read. Profiting others has nothing to do with your own salvation, as it is by grace through faith alone.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. - Romans 4:6-8
You Catholics are intolerable; twisting every verse you get your blasphemous hands on.
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. - 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation or burn.
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 2 points 5 monthsJan 2, 2025 21:16:29 ago (+3/-1)
Jesus came to fulfill the old testament covenant that was for a specific people at a specific time, and to create a new covenant for all people of all time.
also, faith without works is dead.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 2 points 5 monthsJan 2, 2025 22:07:27 ago (+2/-0)
tell me which work did the thief on cross when he asked jesus to remember him when he comes in his kingdom what jesus said? verily verily today you shall be with me in paradise
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
need more evidence that salvation is through grace by faith, not of works.
the book of james talks about that the christian should produce fruits of righteousness by clothing the naked and visiting the sick etc etc
its a service issue its not a salvation issue. you catholics err because you wants to add your own works to the finished work of the cross
when jesus finished his work on the cross he declared it was finished. nothing that u can add or substract to the work and shed blood of jesus on that cross.
the cross is what reconcile us with the father, since he's holy and that's why jesus had to die for the sins of the world. you believe and r saved by grace through faith and sealed with the holy spirit until you either die or are resurrected at his second coming
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 08:26:03 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 1 point 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 09:29:35 ago (+1/-0)
so you have ceased to sin since you started to believe i take it but scripture tells us....
the scripture above teaches that even if your "works" are crap you will still go to heaven.
again, we all are sinners and guess what sinners do? they sin. now when you are saved the inner man doesnt sin since it has been "born again" but the our flesh does sin
look what paul is saying here. did the holy apostle ceased to be a sinner? we will struggle win sin until we have our last breath on this earth. santification is a gradual process for most believers that start at the heart through all of his life.
as a matter of fact, the closer to God you go the more you'll lament your own imperfections and sinfulness that does not to say that we should not strive to do better but we are saved by grace still not by our works
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 -1 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 09:43:09 ago (+0/-1)
To clarify, my statement referred to someone specifically choosing to engage in mortal sin. For example, an adulterer who is aware of their sinful behavior but chooses to continue anyway.
Yes, we are all sinners, but there is a clear difference between a Christian trying to live by the commandments and someone who claims to be Christian and doesn't live by the commandments. This is one instance where faith without works is relevant. It is also why we have the sacrament of confession.
We are all sinners, but if one is not even trying to amend their life and bear good fruit, then their faith is dead.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 1 point 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 10:08:57 ago (+1/-0)
how many sins have you committed to today. lets not say in a physical way but in your mind alone (no dont tell us which kind )
i'm going to tell you that just this morning my mind has been filled with anger, a desire for vengeance, lust and bad words.
now tell me, in the eyes of God which sins are the worst of the worst. you say an adulterer that deals with lust and fornication right.
but king david was full of that and he was also a murderer and yet God's considered him a man of his own heart.
does the bible mentions which are mortal sins? please elaborate for me thanks
the law of moses cannot save. how much of a thick skull do you have there?
those who wants to try the keep the law are in bondage. read the book of galatians
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 13:53:32 ago (+0/-0)*
The Law never imputed 'life' unto one singular man. The law only kills it does not save.
The works of Jesus Christ are finished on the cross; Tacking your filthy puss ridden rags on top does not make it better, it's the ultimate disrespect of God's sacrifice.
Jesus Christ paid it all.
The blasphemous high-mindedness to think your 'good works'(aka filthy rags) affect your relationship with God, who loved us first, Is ludicrous, and shows that you do not know God's Word at all.
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 15:48:21 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 15:58:12 ago (+0/-0)
Get your shit figured out.
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 16:40:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 16:42:42 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 2 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 00:20:26 ago (+2/-0)
You Catholics are headed to hell in a hand basket.
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation.
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 -1 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 08:24:30 ago (+0/-1)*
The heresy of sola fides and sola scriptura have been debunked many times over the centuries, you need to come to terms with the fact that your faith is based on lies and the pride of heretics.
James 2 is not about profiting others, that is nonsense. Even the devil believes in God, yet he ended up in hell.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 1 point 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 09:37:03 ago (+1/-0)
the only thing that has been debunked has been the worship of saints, icons and mary. the papal infallibility, salvation by works, the mass (which doesnt appear in scripture whatsoever and no the last supper wasnt the mass and the agape feasts of the early church consisted in that everyone would bring their own food and share it with everyone even the LORD'S bread) also we dont see people praying to the dead in the new testament as people do in the mass.
dont get me started about the indulgences that catholic church practiced in the middle ages and the so called holy inquisition. nowhere in the new testament you'll find a commandment to kill infidels
christianity is not islam
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 09:49:57 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 1 point 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 10:23:03 ago (+1/-0)
i mean i have done so through family members and the experience has been less than stellar.
btw, i also respect you too. the feeling is mutual. is okay to disagree even though ours seems like chasms that cant be crossed but nope i no it will towards you whatsoever.
my family is catholic but not too observant. they go to mass for baptisms and to prayers for dead relatives when they pass on. i have been with them a few times out of respect despite my disagreements on many issues
the only positive that i see on the catholic church is that they are more serious at the practice than some protestants (pentecostals often go overboard at their services to their own shame)
i believe though that the true church is invisible and only God knows who are part of it. amen
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 14:01:48 ago (+0/-0)
Indeed, Catholicism is contrary to that and the very Word of God.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 5 monthsJan 3, 2025 13:46:14 ago (+0/-0)
Learn to read. Profiting others has nothing to do with your own salvation, as it is by grace through faith alone.
You Catholics are intolerable; twisting every verse you get your blasphemous hands on.
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation or burn.