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Is Herbert's stance on AI ('Butlerian Jihad') really ambiguous?

submitted by jerkofalltrades to books 5 monthsDec 20, 2024 08:21:11 ago (+5/-0)     (books)

According to this Brit and his sophisticated sarcasm Herbert ridiculed restrictions on AI by presenting the Butlerian Jihad as some retarded Bene Gesserit old wife's tale meant to scare peasants.

Now don't get me wrong. Walter generally knows what he's talking about and is largely just citing Herbert himself but reducing Dune to Beware of false prophets! or Do as you like! is retarded. He might have been vaguely anti authoritarian but he was clearly no starry eyed flower power believer either. Half the book is spent glorifying the fremen's culture of violence and rigid social boundaries. The most tech-friendly factions' plotlines (the Guild, Ixians) are thinly veiled allegories of losing one's humanity in the pursuit of power...


I just don't understand how after reading Dune you can come away with the notion 'well since Paul and his son were tragic rulers you can do away with rules'. Herbert probably didn't think there should be no restrictions on AI. And no, you can't just assume the Butlerian Jihad didn't happen just because it's only expanded upon in the later apocryphal novels. I think what Herbert intended to show with the series is how fragile humanity is and fucked we all would be without some morality (be it imposed by some übermensch or coming from within us).

But maybe he really was nothing but a trippy libby hippy and am just too retardedly conservative to understand his point.


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[ - ] TheSimulacra 1 point 5 monthsDec 20, 2024 12:20:35 ago (+1/-0)

Wasn’t that written by his son? Terrible by comparison. Zero depth.

[ - ] inaminit 2 points 5 monthsDec 20, 2024 09:36:43 ago (+2/-0)

The Butlerian jihad began when the infant of Serena Butler was cruelly murdered in public by the independent machine named Erasmus. Human slaves revolted when they witnessed the act.

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 5 monthsDec 20, 2024 12:21:42 ago (+0/-0)

If I remember correctly Frank’s son Brian (or Kevin Anderson) cooked that up because Frank never expanded upon the Butlerian Jihad. It was deliberately vague until some hack made up the backstory.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason 1 point 5 monthsDec 20, 2024 09:05:16 ago (+1/-0)

restrictions on AI by presenting the Butlerian Jihad

The "BJ" implies many together going against technology. Restriction on artifice implies each ones free will of choice to resist using technology. The more are using technology; the more artificial restrictions can be used against them.

how fragile humanity is

Fragile/frangere/bhreg - "to break"... being one (partial) within all (whole) implies being given a break. Coming into being implies a setting apart from one another, hence off-spring.

imposed by some übermensch

It's the Untermensch who by consent to a suggestion submits self as slave, while permitting another as master, hence establishing the Übermensch.