Exactly Years ago some younger men were discussing the subject of hookers. One said “I’d never pay for sex”. I stopped him and said “son you always pay for it”.
I’m assuming he’s a moron too, but there is a benefit of the doubt that could be applied. If you are very smart and very traditional you are getting more than sex for what you are paying for, and potentially paying less in total, so it could be argued that the child rearing and cooking and positive companionship is what you are paying for and sex is extra. But that is really some mental gymnastics for a specific scenario that doesn’t exist too much these days.
In that better scenario it’s probably more reasonable to describe it as a whole package, and sex is part of it. But that does break up the 1:1 exchange.
No, women pay by their value going down. This is value as viewed by the man she hopes gives her a ring.
To that man, a woman has more value today than she does tomorrow. Every year older you get dating around, your value decreases to that man. Every dick you ride decreases your value to that man. You already know how the wall works so what's with the theatrics?
I almost wanted to say this and then thought about it. He's not wrong. If you have sex with the right guy your "work" is childs play. Stress and everything aside you can have it pretty easy.
Oh you mean a criminal. Like a banker or a lawyer or some corporate asshole. Those are theives. They don’t have real jobs, they are legal thieves. They are supported by slaves and produce nothing. So if some women choose to mate with these men, how are women particularly exploitive? Theyre not any more exploitive than the men they mate with.
“Muh Hypergamy” — why aren’t these faggots looking at what that upper tier of WHITE MALES are doing economically and sexually instead of only blaming women?
Reproduction is an exchange. If these faggot only want to cherrypick certain scenarios I can’t stop them. But women get fucked over just as often as men in sexual exchanges. In fact, until very recently ( with the advent of contraception and abortion and property ownership by women ) women were often left holding the bag and males had a monopoly on unaccountable sexual behavior. So you see, just because there is some exploitation by women today doesn’t mean men are virtuous and fair dealing. They aren’t.
I can’t tell you how many women Ive known who are truly fucked because of the men they chose to reproduce with. Women need economic support to birth and raise kids. I don’t think its childplay. Hiring other women to raise your kids is cheating and part of the redistribution problem. If you want to know who the people at the top of this pyramid are— the biggest cheats who pay off all the little cheats— its still all men. ALL.
[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 15:57:29 ago (+1/-0)
Oh you mean a criminal. Like a banker or a lawyer or some corporate asshole. Those are theives.
Right guy didn't mean money. Right guy means isn't going to "pump and dump" you.
they chose
key word is chose. you want to act like a man you get treated like a man, play stupid games win stupid prizes and so on.
I don’t think its childplay
considering the other options it is
Hiring other women to raise your kids is cheating and part of the redistribution problem.
Agreed. 100% Get them all back into their houses.
I think these topics are retarded. The women are waaaahhh posts stem from insecurity and lack of being able to control your immediate surroundings. Posts like these are copes.
"Women used to be held accountable for their actions and now it's much less!"
It's almost like women in the west could just keep their legs closed and never be left holding the bag, contraceptives or not?
Let me make it more simple for you: Accountability is kryptonite to women. This is my entire argument, so don't prattle on about some shit I didn't say.
It's almost like women in the west could just keep their legs closed and never be left holding the bag, contraceptives or not?
Im refering to women who were abandoned by their husbands with no means of support.
You just choose to ignore when men behave unaccountably.
BTW men can keep their dicks in their pants as easily as women can keep their legs closed. Historically men have been 50% responsible but frequently unaccountable, unlike women. You want the good old days when only males could get away with bad behavior. Male behavior which you try to ignore or blame on women. Maybe because accountability is kryptonite to men?
There's that prattling I mentioned. Ok woman, here we go.
Correct, I feel no need to address your many common sense statements. I only mentioned the kryptonite thing because as a woman, you can't think logically. Allow me to explain:
This whole appeal to hypocrisy thing you do at the end does not an argument make. Surely you can look up the logical fallacies yourself. Saying men should be accountable the same as women when the consequences are much higher for women is an illogical argument.
Now lean in here real close so I can see your stove's reflection in your eyes.
Okay lets frame the argument your way. We are just talking about recreational sex. Why are men paying for it? Why don’t they just turn it down? Men are paying for it because of supply and demand. Women forgo sex but the demand for sex by men is much higher. Maybe men just have no self control. Maybe men are just weak in character, to be constanly seeking sex for pleasure which they are willing to pay for.
Is that it? Are men just weak and dissapated? Obsessed with pleasure? Maybe men are just bad. Crappier versions of human being than women, who have self control.
The only way to understand why men are weak horndogs prone to sex addiction is to understand the difference between maleness and femaleness in the context of evolution. Its all about reproduction. Theres no separating the two (sex and reproduction) when you are talking about motivations.
Or we can go with the whole “ men are weak degenerates” thing— if we wanted to make sweeping assumptions about the opposite sex which are completely irrational cheap shots. Maybe thats the difference in the thinking of men and women — you fail to accept a rational explanation because its all about your feels. You can’t see the big picture.
Your attack on men being weak out of control degenerates has nothing whatever to do with what's really going on. Testosterone fuels the human sex drive. Men have a billion times the amount of testosterone. So your statements about supply and demand are true. And that's precisely why men always pay for it - all of the time: because men want sex more than women. And that's because of the (massively) elevated testosterone. You can call men weak and degenerate all day long, but all of that is just opinion. The reality is men pay for sex, every time, because of supply and demand. Simple. Women can, and do, command payment in one form or another for recreational sex.
Now, on to the reproductive side of things, men still pay for that. A woman gets pregnant, and if the man wants nothing to do with the kid, the courts demand he pays for it - often to a monetary degree far exceeding 50%. And if the man wants to stay with the woman (married or not), he's usually going to work and pay all the bills while the woman raises the kid. You can measure and weigh the effort of raising a kid against the monetary cost of such, but either way, the man is still paying for it - the courts and society at large demand it.
Your attack on men being weak out of control degenerates has nothing whatever to do with what's really going on. Testosterone fuels the human sex drive
So testosterone makes you weak. Ok. Im hearing— and maybe this is just my misinterpretation— that you feel the sexual degeneracy that men are prone to should be excused because its hormone driven. Is that right? I mean maybe testosterone makes you defective?
Please stop me if, in any place, you ever took a nuanced postition on what you deem to be negative female behaviors because they were driven by estrogen. Did that ever happen? Or did you just declare that females are biologically inferior and need to be subjugated because of our inherent weakness?
Dig yourself out of this logical morass if you can but it seems like you are guilty of double standards from where I’m sitting.
Why do (some) females seek compensation for (recreational) sex? For the same reason (some) males seem unable to control their sexual behavior. Reproduction. REPRODUCTION! In the evolutionary model, males seek to fertilize multiple females because their reproduction is cheap. Females seek resources and protection from males because their reproduction is expensive. These behaviors are implemented through hormones like testosterone and estrogen. If you take away the original natural scenario and throw human beings into the 21 century environment with contraception and abortion, you are going to see analogous versions of these evolutionary behaviors. It doesn’t matter that reproduction is not consciously part of their agenda. They are programed to play these roles anyway. Its ridiculous to believe any of these behaviors can be analyzed outside their evolutionary context.
You suffer from a deep bias because you only entertain explanations that confirm your feels. You seek to dismiss negative male behaviors because of their biological basis but you want all women to be enslaved because of the biologically based behaviors of some females. Thats hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a male/female thing. Its not an IQ thing. Its an honesty thing. Its a self awareness thing. Guys like you are the mirror image of radical feminists. You cherry pick your anecdotes and pretend that your side doesn’t ever exploit the other side like they do to you. I could give you a list of all the ways Ive seen males use and abuse women, but it doesn’t matter because you are DEAF. If it doesn’t validate your feels, you can’t hear it.
As I have said females have expensive reproduction. Males have cheap reproduction. Females exchange reproduction for resources needed to birth and raise babies. That is what I have said all over this post. If you don’t think women pay or that women get the short end of the stick sometimes, you are deeply biased and assiduously make an effort not to see the sexes objectively. Alot of you guys are as bad as the worst feminists I have encountered—deeply inculcated in ideas that support your feelings and in complete denial of reality.
Who wiped your ass? Who spoon fed you and kept you out of traffic?
Fathers are having to do this as much as mothers now and its not like they are out playing boss girl either. Normally just depression and/or social media addiction.
Fathers are having to do this as much as mothers now
No they don’t. More fantasies. Men do very poorly at caring for young children and babies. Find one person on this site who’s father performed the lion’s share of child care duties for them when they were small. You can’t. Its like saying niggers are NASA scientists. They rarely are and when they are they shouldn’t be.
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Years ago some younger men were discussing the subject of hookers. One said “I’d never pay for sex”. I stopped him and said “son you always pay for it”.
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In that better scenario it’s probably more reasonable to describe it as a whole package, and sex is part of it. But that does break up the 1:1 exchange.
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Women don’t pay for sex.
Women don’t pay for anything.
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To that man, a woman has more value today than she does tomorrow. Every year older you get dating around, your value decreases to that man. Every dick you ride decreases your value to that man. You already know how the wall works so what's with the theatrics?
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[ - ] rzr97 3 points 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 15:04:28 ago (+3/-0)
Of course they do.
Explain how they pay for sex. I'm simply asking you to defend your exact claim.
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Ahem, sir, those drinks were paid for by their ex-husbands.
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Oh you mean a criminal. Like a banker or a lawyer or some corporate asshole. Those are theives. They don’t have real jobs, they are legal thieves. They are supported by slaves and produce nothing. So if some women choose to mate with these men, how are women particularly exploitive? Theyre not any more exploitive than the men they mate with.
“Muh Hypergamy” — why aren’t these faggots looking at what that upper tier of WHITE MALES are doing economically and sexually instead of only blaming women?
Reproduction is an exchange. If these faggot only want to cherrypick certain scenarios I can’t stop them. But women get fucked over just as often as men in sexual exchanges. In fact, until very recently ( with the advent of contraception and abortion and property ownership by women ) women were often left holding the bag and males had a monopoly on unaccountable sexual behavior. So you see, just because there is some exploitation by women today doesn’t mean men are virtuous and fair dealing. They aren’t.
I can’t tell you how many women Ive known who are truly fucked because of the men they chose to reproduce with. Women need economic support to birth and raise kids. I don’t think its childplay. Hiring other women to raise your kids is cheating and part of the redistribution problem. If you want to know who the people at the top of this pyramid are— the biggest cheats who pay off all the little cheats— its still all men. ALL.
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 15:57:29 ago (+1/-0)
Right guy didn't mean money. Right guy means isn't going to "pump and dump" you.
key word is chose. you want to act like a man you get treated like a man, play stupid games win stupid prizes and so on.
considering the other options it is
Agreed. 100% Get them all back into their houses.
I think these topics are retarded. The women are waaaahhh posts stem from insecurity and lack of being able to control your immediate surroundings. Posts like these are copes.
Bobdole9 gets it though.
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[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 17:51:28 ago (+1/-0)
It's almost like women in the west could just keep their legs closed and never be left holding the bag, contraceptives or not?
Let me make it more simple for you:
Accountability is kryptonite to women.
This is my entire argument, so don't prattle on about some shit I didn't say.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 18:05:54 ago (+0/-0)
Im refering to women who were abandoned by their husbands with no means of support.
You just choose to ignore when men behave unaccountably.
BTW men can keep their dicks in their pants as easily as women can keep their legs closed. Historically men have been 50% responsible but frequently unaccountable, unlike women. You want the good old days when only males could get away with bad behavior. Male behavior which you try to ignore or blame on women. Maybe because accountability is kryptonite to men?
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[ - ] ruck_feddit 0 points 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 19:42:40 ago (+0/-0)
Correct, I feel no need to address your many common sense statements. I only mentioned the kryptonite thing because as a woman, you can't think logically. Allow me to explain:
This whole appeal to hypocrisy thing you do at the end does not an argument make. Surely you can look up the logical fallacies yourself. Saying men should be accountable the same as women when the consequences are much higher for women is an illogical argument.
Now lean in here real close so I can see your stove's reflection in your eyes.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 14:44:30 ago (+0/-0)
Everybody on this website exists because of what a woman does. Men can’t do it. You CAN’T.
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Is that it? Are men just weak and dissapated? Obsessed with pleasure? Maybe men are just bad. Crappier versions of human being than women, who have self control.
The only way to understand why men are weak horndogs prone to sex addiction is to understand the difference between maleness and femaleness in the context of evolution. Its all about reproduction. Theres no separating the two (sex and reproduction) when you are talking about motivations.
Or we can go with the whole “ men are weak degenerates” thing— if we wanted to make sweeping assumptions about the opposite sex which are completely irrational cheap shots. Maybe thats the difference in the thinking of men and women — you fail to accept a rational explanation because its all about your feels. You can’t see the big picture.
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[ - ] SocksOnCats 0 points 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 22:29:52 ago (+0/-0)
Now, on to the reproductive side of things, men still pay for that. A woman gets pregnant, and if the man wants nothing to do with the kid, the courts demand he pays for it - often to a monetary degree far exceeding 50%. And if the man wants to stay with the woman (married or not), he's usually going to work and pay all the bills while the woman raises the kid. You can measure and weigh the effort of raising a kid against the monetary cost of such, but either way, the man is still paying for it - the courts and society at large demand it.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 5 monthsDec 10, 2024 15:45:41 ago (+0/-0)
So testosterone makes you weak. Ok. Im hearing— and maybe this is just my misinterpretation— that you feel the sexual degeneracy that men are prone to should be excused because its hormone driven. Is that right? I mean maybe testosterone makes you defective?
Please stop me if, in any place, you ever took a nuanced postition on what you deem to be negative female behaviors because they were driven by estrogen. Did that ever happen? Or did you just declare that females are biologically inferior and need to be subjugated because of our inherent weakness?
Dig yourself out of this logical morass if you can but it seems like you are guilty of double standards from where I’m sitting.
Why do (some) females seek compensation for (recreational) sex? For the same reason (some) males seem unable to control their sexual behavior. Reproduction. REPRODUCTION! In the evolutionary model, males seek to fertilize multiple females because their reproduction is cheap. Females seek resources and protection from males because their reproduction is expensive. These behaviors are implemented through hormones like testosterone and estrogen. If you take away the original natural scenario and throw human beings into the 21 century environment with contraception and abortion, you are going to see analogous versions of these evolutionary behaviors. It doesn’t matter that reproduction is not consciously part of their agenda. They are programed to play these roles anyway. Its ridiculous to believe any of these behaviors can be analyzed outside their evolutionary context.
You suffer from a deep bias because you only entertain explanations that confirm your feels. You seek to dismiss negative male behaviors because of their biological basis but you want all women to be enslaved because of the biologically based behaviors of some females. Thats hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a male/female thing. Its not an IQ thing. Its an honesty thing. Its a self awareness thing. Guys like you are the mirror image of radical feminists. You cherry pick your anecdotes and pretend that your side doesn’t ever exploit the other side like they do to you. I could give you a list of all the ways Ive seen males use and abuse women, but it doesn’t matter because you are DEAF. If it doesn’t validate your feels, you can’t hear it.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 5 monthsDec 9, 2024 18:50:05 ago (+0/-0)
No it wasn’t. You need to read more carefully.
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Women don’t pay for sex.
Women don’t pay for anything.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points ago (+1/-2)
Of course they do. You just choose to ignore those things.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 5 monthsDec 11, 2024 09:01:02 ago (+0/-0)
That was the question I was answering.
As I have said females have expensive reproduction. Males have cheap reproduction. Females exchange reproduction for resources needed to birth and raise babies. That is what I have said all over this post. If you don’t think women pay or that women get the short end of the stick sometimes, you are deeply biased and assiduously make an effort not to see the sexes objectively. Alot of you guys are as bad as the worst feminists I have encountered—deeply inculcated in ideas that support your feelings and in complete denial of reality.
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Fathers are having to do this as much as mothers now and its not like they are out playing boss girl either. Normally just depression and/or social media addiction.
Can't argue with this though 😂
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No they don’t. More fantasies. Men do very poorly at caring for young children and babies. Find one person on this site who’s father performed the lion’s share of child care duties for them when they were small. You can’t. Its like saying niggers are NASA scientists. They rarely are and when they are they shouldn’t be.
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