[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 09:21:44 ago (+1/-0)
Why is soending $200 Billion and 700,000 dead Ukrainians to get a stalemate, and therfore giving Putin everything he was demanding at the outset of the incursion, "a good outcome"?
One month before the incursion, Donbass was still a part of Ukraine, and Russia demanded,
1. Azov must stop killing Russian Ukrainians in the Donbass 2. Agree to never try to join NATO.
The day before the incursion Putin said.
1. Donbass is no longer a part of Ukraine 2. Ukraine will not be a part of NATO 3. Azov will be destroyed
Situation after 1 month 1. 30,000 dead Ukrainians 2. Donbass no longer a part of Ukraine 3. Ukraine will not be a part of NATO until the fighting stops, 4. Azov actively engaged in fighting with Russia
Today 1. 500-700,000 dead Ukrainians 2. Azov decimated 3. Donbass still not a part of Ukraine 4. Ukraine still not a part of NATO and never will be
The only difference between day 1 of the incursion and today?
Almost 1 million dead people. Donbass will never be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine will never be a part of NATO. And, the EU states are threatening world War 3.
Ok but your position is based on the notion that Putin didn't have a grandiose vision to restore the USSR and that safeguarding "Ukrainian Russians" and Russia from NATO were not simply pretexts to bring about that vision. All depends on which Journal you read.
That's correct. I'm not fucking delusional, you retarded assed freak. Russia is nowhere near being in the position to re-establish the former soviet union and taking over the world.
What's worse, is that $200 billion spent by the US and EU and the resulting alliances that Russia has made with China and India have put Russia in a fast better position, now, than ever before to do such a thing.
What fucking drugs do you have to take to convince yourself that Putin was gonna "take ukraine" and then conquer Europe when only 6 fucking months ago, your dumb ass was posting articles saying Putin was losing against a corrupt near 3rd world shithole so bad that he was considering nukes.
From "gonna conquer the world" to losing against a tiny, corrupt and weak country, back to "gonna conquer the world". You're fucking a bipolar warmongering idiot.
The bloc is on track to be producing 2 million shells per year for Ukraine, the European commissioner for the internal market has said The European Union’s defense industry has partially switched to a war economy, European Commissioner for Internal Market Thierry Breton has said.
2 million artillery shells for Ukraine. Paid for by European tax dollars. Money that could be better used for virtually anything else. Print 10 Euro notes and burn them in piles to keep the homeless warm at night. It would be a better use than giving Ukraine the ability to commit self-genocide trying to "stall putin" from taking over the world.
And, tell me, what about the world you live in, that you actually live in, would be worse off it Putin, instead of whomever, was your leader? And why?
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 06:47:49 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 06:54:32 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 09:21:44 ago (+1/-0)
One month before the incursion, Donbass was still a part of Ukraine, and Russia demanded,
1. Azov must stop killing Russian Ukrainians in the Donbass
2. Agree to never try to join NATO.
The day before the incursion Putin said.
1. Donbass is no longer a part of Ukraine
2. Ukraine will not be a part of NATO
3. Azov will be destroyed
Situation after 1 month
1. 30,000 dead Ukrainians
2. Donbass no longer a part of Ukraine
3. Ukraine will not be a part of NATO until the fighting stops,
4. Azov actively engaged in fighting with Russia
Today
1. 500-700,000 dead Ukrainians
2. Azov decimated
3. Donbass still not a part of Ukraine
4. Ukraine still not a part of NATO and never will be
The only difference between day 1 of the incursion and today?
Almost 1 million dead people. Donbass will never be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine will never be a part of NATO. And, the EU states are threatening world War 3.
This is a "good outcome"?
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] 0 points 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 09:30:58 ago (+0/-0)*
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 10:03:46 ago (+0/-0)
What's worse, is that $200 billion spent by the US and EU and the resulting alliances that Russia has made with China and India have put Russia in a fast better position, now, than ever before to do such a thing.
What fucking drugs do you have to take to convince yourself that Putin was gonna "take ukraine" and then conquer Europe when only 6 fucking months ago, your dumb ass was posting articles saying Putin was losing against a corrupt near 3rd world shithole so bad that he was considering nukes.
From "gonna conquer the world" to losing against a tiny, corrupt and weak country, back to "gonna conquer the world". You're fucking a bipolar warmongering idiot.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 weeksMay 14, 2024 15:55:01 ago (+0/-0)
2 million artillery shells for Ukraine. Paid for by European tax dollars. Money that could be better used for virtually anything else. Print 10 Euro notes and burn them in piles to keep the homeless warm at night. It would be a better use than giving Ukraine the ability to commit self-genocide trying to "stall putin" from taking over the world.
And, tell me, what about the world you live in, that you actually live in, would be worse off it Putin, instead of whomever, was your leader? And why?