If the author actually read the book he will know the right to vote is not a reward for military service. Veterans had the right to vote because they have demonstrated that they are willing to put the welfare of society above their own.
Also, in the novel, if you want to enlist, they MUST accept you- regardless of your physical status. If you can't run because you've got some incurable condition, they will still find a job that you can do. The military goes to great lengths to accommodate this. That said, in order to get into the elite unit of Mobile Infantry (who wear kickass mech suits in the novel), you have to be a physical specimen who can train hard.
People mistake it as fascist for very surface level reasons. In both the novel and film, after the commander of the military launches the first attack on the bug's home planet which goes disastrously, the commander resigns from his position and allows a successor to step in his place. The government also seems very transparent and honest.
What the flying fuck does fascism have to do with honesty or resigning from jobs?
Fascism is a rigid and militaristic form of govt that trains the upcoming generation to kill the communists.
It is a DEFENSIVE POSTURE OF SURVIVAL.
When you have a country of 47 million people and your enemy has a population of 168 million, Then you get word that they are developing an army that will consume your country like tidal waves washing over a beach....
YOU DEVELOP FASCISM
This is how it happened and why it exists.
Fascism is a rigid and militaristic structure of society and govt so that you can train the youth to fight and kill the communists. To have any hope of survival you need your elite troops to kill 10-1 for you to have any chance at all.
They need to be hardcore dudes.
Fascism is beautiful and the perfect society. It doesn't have anything to do with honestly, morals, or even ethics.
The thing about that movie that I don't understand is, Why didn't they just send rockets to the bug planet that released copious amounts of RAID? Orkin could have gotten rid of the bugs, with significantly less loss of human life...
also the fact that people have to live there afterwards and leftovers doses of RAID aren't great for human health either. imagine being sent to the new colony only to be told the air and water is DDT
The movie is bastardization of the novel with next to no commonality. Verhovan is good with parody, but he admitted he couldn't even read the book because he's a liberal hack.
The problems with combat in the film and its stupidity stems from Verhoven changing the entire narrative of the novel. Within the novel, the mobile infantry wear power armor and jumpjet through combat zones. They primarily use explosives, missiles, rockets etc. Thier fighting style is small surgical strikes to take out specific targets or cause chaos. Fast, in and out, expend all your ammo because it is extra wight and bad for dusting off.
This combat is a direct result of the bugs speed, lethality, and energy weapons. In fact the arachne in the novel have humanoid upper torsos and arms with which they carry said energy weapons.
Since the bugs are a sentient space faring species that actually conquered and enslaved other races, humanity is fighting back and liberating or forcing enslaved species to revolt. Naturally the bugs have their own cities and hardened defences allowing them to resist planetary invasion.
Overall the disconnect between movie and novel are so great that you should consider the film as fanfiction, especially when the Japanese did it better as a cartoon a decade before it.
Have you heard of the anime called "appleseed"? I've heard it's heavily based on the novel, I haven't gotten around to checking it out.
I read the novel after the movie and I was so disappointed to learn that we should've had power-armored soldiers leaping around and flinging bombs all over the place. We got soldiers that look like they're dressed to be a James Bond villain's henchmen army.
I've read pretty much everything Shirow Masasmune has written/drawn. Didn't hear about his inspiration for it, but it came out in 1985 during the peak age of military robot anime/mangas, being preceeded by things like VOTOMS; but Japan does have a history of adapting popular US Scifi, like the Lensman series, so I wouldn't be surprised. Though the earning citizen ship by working for the city doesn't really go to the same depths that the Starship Troopers novel does.
In the book it is explained that the elite troops dropping down to a planet could TAKE OVER THE PLANET in less than a single night.
So less than 6-12 hours depending on the planet.
The armor with it's jumpsuit capability allowed them to move through cities at night so fast the security or military gaurding the city had little to no chance of fighting them or sometimes even seeing them.
The had grenades that mocked their enemy before killing them.
Armor that plugged directly into their nervous system and could reanimate their dead bodies
They just didn't need rocket at all.
There was no enemy they could not defeat, until they met the bugs.
Interesting! Pity Hollywood didn't weave that into the movie story-line, Maybe, introduce it as a prototype, that wouldn't be ready for "prime time", maybe have the prototype save one of the main characters.
[ + ] John_doe
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[ + ] BloodyComet
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People mistake it as fascist for very surface level reasons. In both the novel and film, after the commander of the military launches the first attack on the bug's home planet which goes disastrously, the commander resigns from his position and allows a successor to step in his place. The government also seems very transparent and honest.
[ + ] 4thTurning
[ - ] 4thTurning 0 points 1 monthFeb 29, 2024 18:26:11 ago (+0/-0)
Fascism is a rigid and militaristic form of govt that trains the upcoming generation to kill the communists.
It is a DEFENSIVE POSTURE OF SURVIVAL.
When you have a country of 47 million people and your enemy has a population of 168 million, Then you get word that they are developing an army that will consume your country like tidal waves washing over a beach....
YOU DEVELOP FASCISM
This is how it happened and why it exists.
Fascism is a rigid and militaristic structure of society and govt so that you can train the youth to fight and kill the communists. To have any hope of survival you need your elite troops to kill 10-1 for you to have any chance at all.
They need to be hardcore dudes.
Fascism is beautiful and the perfect society. It doesn't have anything to do with honestly, morals, or even ethics.
It's a position of survival.
A societal position of endurance.
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[ + ] Grospoliner
[ - ] Grospoliner 1 point 1 monthFeb 29, 2024 14:49:21 ago (+1/-0)
The problems with combat in the film and its stupidity stems from Verhoven changing the entire narrative of the novel. Within the novel, the mobile infantry wear power armor and jumpjet through combat zones. They primarily use explosives, missiles, rockets etc. Thier fighting style is small surgical strikes to take out specific targets or cause chaos. Fast, in and out, expend all your ammo because it is extra wight and bad for dusting off.
This combat is a direct result of the bugs speed, lethality, and energy weapons. In fact the arachne in the novel have humanoid upper torsos and arms with which they carry said energy weapons.
Since the bugs are a sentient space faring species that actually conquered and enslaved other races, humanity is fighting back and liberating or forcing enslaved species to revolt. Naturally the bugs have their own cities and hardened defences allowing them to resist planetary invasion.
Overall the disconnect between movie and novel are so great that you should consider the film as fanfiction, especially when the Japanese did it better as a cartoon a decade before it.
[ + ] o0shad0o
[ - ] o0shad0o 1 point 1 monthFeb 29, 2024 15:08:54 ago (+1/-0)
Sargon of Akkad's take is worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVpYvV0O7uI
[ + ] BloodyComet
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I read the novel after the movie and I was so disappointed to learn that we should've had power-armored soldiers leaping around and flinging bombs all over the place. We got soldiers that look like they're dressed to be a James Bond villain's henchmen army.
[ + ] Grospoliner
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[ + ] 4thTurning
[ - ] 4thTurning 0 points 1 monthFeb 29, 2024 18:32:38 ago (+0/-0)
So less than 6-12 hours depending on the planet.
The armor with it's jumpsuit capability allowed them to move through cities at night so fast the security or military gaurding the city had little to no chance of fighting them or sometimes even seeing them.
The had grenades that mocked their enemy before killing them.
Armor that plugged directly into their nervous system and could reanimate their dead bodies
They just didn't need rocket at all.
There was no enemy they could not defeat, until they met the bugs.
Thats what the book was about.
[ + ] iSnark
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