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(Commentary on) the crazed NeoCons' newly published "Fucking Hell, It Might Be All Over" doc. "It" being both the Ukraine War and the USA itself.

submitted by MichelleObamasPenis to Ukraine 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 06:28:05 ago (+7/-1)     (simplicius76.substack.com)

https://simplicius76.substack.com/i/140019998/isw

The ISW's doc is:
- here: https://archive.ph/DncBk and
- here: https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/The%20High%20Price%20of%20Losing%20Ukraine%20PDF.pdf and
- here: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine

As many know, ISW (Institute for the Study of War) is a DC-based neocon cutout run by Kimberly Kagan, sister-in-law to PNAC neocon Robert Kagan, husband to Victoria Nuland. In fact you can see the report itself is undersigned by Robert’s brother, Frederick W. Kagan as well..

This report is much more significant as it truly signals and underlines the real intentions of the beltway gang and deep state goons, giving us rare insight into the specters haunting their minds, and the ramifications of that on the long-term strategic outlooks of the conflict


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[ - ] MichelleObamasPenis [op] 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 06:35:52 ago (+1/-0)

So now we get to the real truth about why the earlier-mentioned stealth fleets are so necessary. You see, they admit that NATO have no real ground forces to speak of, nor any artillery left, after giving it all to Ukraine—not that they had much to begin with. In fact, NATO is nothing more than a fragile glass jetfighter masquerading as a military alliance.

But the problem is, they admit that Russian air defense networks are so dense their airforce will not be able to penetrate it without the help of stealth fighters, which are not only fairly limited, but are also critically needed for the Chinese-Taiwan front.

There are so many things to be said about stealth craft it could take an entire series of articles, let alone one article or even a few paragraphs. But one thing I’ll say here is that stealth aircraft degrade very quickly without major upkeep and maintenance, which is impossible in high intensity conflict. For instance, their RAM coatings need to be reapplied every few missions, which takes huge amounts of manpower and time—something that will absolutely not be available in a real conflict. Once those coatings are gone, the planes will be extremely visible to radars, as the US itself admits that the RAM coating is responsible for a large portion of modern stealth crafts’ ‘stealth’ abilities—particularly in the new B21 Raider.

That means the longer such a conflict goes on, the less stealth and more vulnerable US’s only existing ‘ace in a hole’ gets. Which means once more, Russia retains the advantage and will get progressively stronger as the conflict goes on—just like in Ukraine.

[ - ] MichelleObamasPenis [op] 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 06:32:37 ago (+1/-0)

The ‘sacred’ idea of America distilled here is nothing more than an imperial illusion, a web cast over the eyes of a European continent that’s been under total occupation since the end of WW2. What they’re saying, ultimately, is—there is no inherent sacredness to this manufactured ideal of theirs, but rather it’s an enforced illusion, that’s as brittle as chalk once people are awakened to it. And they believe Russia’s powers of awakening are an existential threat.

[ - ] Jews4atSYSTEM 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 08:35:54 ago (+1/-0)

Yes, but that's not important right now, we need to be worrying about "Gender Pronouns" and welcoming Illegal Aliens!{Sarc}

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 09:55:26 ago (+0/-0)

"It" being the NEOCON's role in the conservative and liberal parties.

It's funny that that are still called NEOCON's. None of them are "conservative" anymore. They have all fled to the Democrat party. "NeverTrump" just means central Democrat, ie Hillary supporter, Biden blower.

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 08:39:15 ago (+0/-0)

Ah….so there it is. You see, American power is enshrined in nothing more than a Myth of supremacy and entitlement, one itself cloaked in various euphemistic coys and vapory misdirections like “the rules based order.”

What the neocons have revealed here is the master key to everything: Russia stands to shatter the Myth, or rather the Grand Lie, which enshrines not the true America that once was, but the pedestaled neocon distortion of it—what it has become, the warped behemoth, the ungainly Leviathan thrashing the entire world with its spurred tail and noxious breath.

These freaks, which have co-opted the country and its foreign policy, have in fact turned America into nothing more than a shambling golem, one without clothes like its shadow emperor. They now fear nothing more than for Russia to shatter this displaced “idea”, this fraudulent, barnacled ‘dream’ which exists only in the blood-addled minds of the neocon usurpers. This would shatter the illusion once and for all, not only freeing the globe from the Leviathan’s grasp, but destroying the age old neocon pursuit.

Note the very peculiar idiomatic use of: “alter these realities.” You see, to “alter” the neocons’ imposed surrogate reality is to destroy the beast once and for all, to amputate the stricken cancerous growth strangling the heart of what was once ‘America’. This is what they fear, and they’ve elocuted it as best they can, encoded in symbolism. The America they’ve concocted exists as a simulation in a matrix, and they fear Russia has found the key to unplugging their false construct-reality, awakening an entire generation to the actual truth: that the country and everything it ever stood for has been entirely hijacked by a criminal cabal.

Team Russia, For The Alteration.

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 07:23:13 ago (+0/-0)

In essence, they’re admitting that a victorious Russia will be the most formidable force since the end of the Cold War.

No, that's the author's hyperbolic take. Here's what it actually said: "[A victorious Russia] can pose a major conventional military threat to NATO for the first time since the 1990s [..]".

That leaves the door open for nations like China to be militarily stronger than Russia. It also doesn't say that Russia would be stronger than a united NATO. The distinction between "a major conventional military threat" and "most formidable force since the end of the Cold War" matters.

Wait a second, so the completely dead, battered, beaten and defeated, poor Russian army, who—according to MSM—had had 95% casualties thus far, is suddenly able to muster 3 entire full-fledged field armies just for the task of securing the Polish border?

It's talking about a reconstituted Russian army if they win. This guy acts like Russia already has an overwhelming force on the ground now, yet for some reason they still can't topple Ukraine, despite NATO's refusal to commit troops to Ukraine.

No, Russia isn't dead. But they did suffer massive casualties in their "special military operation", so they mobilized and expanded their military, because they now know Kyiv isn't just going to fall over and they are in an attritional war.

In fact, NATO is nothing more than a fragile glass jetfighter masquerading as a military alliance.

Which can change on a dime, as happened in WW2. The thing is, the West, and even Moscow, was enjoying a relative peace dividend since the end of the Cold War. But if Russia wins and revamps its military to Cold War levels, then NATO will have to follow suit.

[ - ] WanderingToast 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 18:50:50 ago (+0/-0)

NATO would seriously struggle to commit troops to Ukraine for a variety of reasons.

At the end of the day - it's very much an optional war, and there isn't the political will to take heavy losses and open up homeground civilian losses and damage to key infrastructure and the already struggling economy.

This will remain the case as long as Russia doesn't move beyond Ukraine.

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2023 22:00:41 ago (+0/-0)

I agree that there isn't a political will to commit troops to Ukraine. That's basically the point the DC think tank was making -- giving Ukraine all the material support they need now is going to be the much cheaper option than responding to a Ukraine collapse and Russian takeover.