"Her lawsuit, filed in 2021, alleged that she met a man in his thirties on Omegle who forced her to take naked photos and videos over a three-year period. She was just 11 when it began in 2014."
How does a complete stranger on a screen force someone to do anything? Why was she on a site like that unsupervised at a young age? Where were her parents?? Why did they not teach her how to handle perverts on the Internet??
That wasn't the point of the lawsuit. The point was to get Omegle shut down legally. Now, HT and GypsyCrusader, as well as several other WNs, are out of an easy form of content.
It's like the climate protesters. Notice they never protest chem factories, CEO homes, office buildings. They're always fucking with people in the street. The real target is the people.
Hence, as others mentioned, the ridiculousness of her claiming a multi-year relationship with a guy on a website that gives you short chats with random strangers.
How does a complete stranger on a screen force someone to do anything?
Easily.
"Oh, finally, I get matched up with a hot chick instead of some child." "What's that? No you couldn't possibly be 11. Why are you lying? Are you trying to get people in trouble?" "Listen I know what an 11 year old looks and sounds like, I've got an 11 year old. You're way too mature. You've got to be like 18. What's your name, 18 year old? Mary? Okay. Mary the 18 year old." "Yeah, I'm going to just assume you're 18 because you keep lying to me. So what kind of car do you drive?" "Okay okay, your parents, right, I'm so very sure, what sort of car do your parents drive?" "Yeah, that's pretty cool. Too bad it's raining outside and you're stuck talking to strangers on Omegle, huh?" "It's not raining? I don't believe you. Point the camera outside." "Huh, it sure is sunny, palm trees and the like. It really looks like where I live, actually."
"Hey yeah I think I recognize that street, (name wrong street near a major landmark near the target) Smith Dr, right, there's like a Wienersnitzel on the corner there?"
again they correct the perp with correct information
"Oh right, right Jones Dr."
look up school for that address, grab the first plausible newspaper clipping for a name of a student within that age range that has some achievement for that school, if it's a school they go to, proceed, if there's redistricting, force them to correct you
"Wow that's so weird. Do you know Emily Mitchell? You do, just a little? Yeah I'm her cousin."
"I'm a bit unnerved, really. It's too much of a coincidence that Omegle would match us up like this so close together. Honestly I think you're lying to me. I need to think of a question that only someone who goes to [such and such] Elementary would know. Name the gym coach. [truthful answer, Mr Bob, deem it as correct] Oh, yeah, that's correct. Okay but how do I know you actually go there? I'm thinking you're just talking with me to get info out of me to bully Emily."
"Look I don't know why you'd do that, but you know what would put me at ease? If you proved that you weren't some high schooler. I don't know, I'll think of something later."
"I'm taking Emily and her brother and sister to Raging Waters on Saturday. Maybe you want to come too? I actually have staff passes so no lines. It's pretty sweet. I dunno, though. Still haven't proven to me that you're not some high schooler. I'm going to ask Emily if she knows anything about you, if you're cool or if you're a bitch."
"I can give you a call later after I talk with her. You got a phone number? Snapchat? That's great."
"Yeah if everything works out, I'll give you a call later. It'll be from a different area code because I just moved here, so make sure you pick up for me, okay? Awesome. Talk to you later Mary."
Move to text/snapchat after time. Take all information gathered to this point to get to know more about the victim. Use the parent vehicle description to run down the street in Google Streetview to get an exact home address if you need it
"Yeah I talked to Emily, she said you could come with. Going to work that out closer to the day of but I'll talk to your mom when I show up. Yeah lol it'll be better if all the kids I'm responsible for are with me when I come to say you're invited with us. Just say I'm Emily's dad when you introduce me. I'm practically her dad anyway lol."
"You got a suit for Saturday? That's cool. What is it? One piece, two piece, bikini? Remember you can't wear any thongs to a waterpark lol. Two piece? Show me."
"What? Yeah, show me. Maybe we can all color coordinate so we can find each other in the crowds easier."
receives picture
"What is that, red or burgandy or what? Get some lights on. You have a mirror?"
receives more pictures
"Pretty nice, pretty nice. Are you SURE you're not 18? I'm having my doubts again. I'm starting to think you're not actually Mary and you're, like, Mary's older sister or something."
"Okay well prove it to me. High schoolers have breasts, right? You'd just be starting to get some. Pull that top up a bit and send a picture like that. Nuh-uh, that one wasn't good enough, keep your face in it, how do I know you're not handing the camera off to Mary?"
now they have everything they need for blackmail
they escalate by pushing it as far as they can get for asking for whatever they want, eventually a boundary will be crossed and they'll resist
"Why'd you stop? You already sent me one with your top lifted, it's no big deal. You're really hot."
"Okay, you're right. You probably shouldn't have sent those to me. It is, after all, child porn. We both could get in real big trouble for what you've made already."
"What? Yeah, I'd go to prison but they also put the girl that makes the pictures in juvenile detention, too, sometimes for months. They get suspended from school and get put on a list like a sex offender. Not everyone can see it like the usual pedophiles but cops, teachers, coaches, they all can look up the list."
See? The cops will come after me for sure but what you did was also bad. You're a sex offender now. They're not going to let you be around your little sister anymore. Parents can't do anything. Cops will throw them in jail too if they know you did it."
"Listen, you and I, we can keep this between us. You know how to make some video? Yeah. Listen, I promise, after you do everything I ask you to, I'll delete it all. I swear. It'll just be a few days, a few videos, some pictures. Otherwise, though, I mean, if you talk to anyone about it, I'm going to just dump everything we have so far to people at your school. Then the cops are going to get it and then it's all on you at that point, right? They're going to come to 622 Jones Dr and ask if a Mary Aberanthe lives there and try explaining what you've been doing to your parents. You don't even know my real name so how could you even explain to them who you gave the pictures to?"
"Okay, tomorrow evening. I'm going to send you a link to take you to a private video chat room. Be pretty. Be ready."
[ - ] uvulectomy 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 16:21:25 ago (+1/-0)*
Excruciating and unnecessary detail
Hiding behind a throwaway (I don't want that associated with my main!)
Relishing in the excruciating and disturbing levels of detail
Getting called out on it
"REEEEE! THIS ISN'T A REAL FREE SPEECH SITE! IT WON'T LET ME GIVE A STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE ON HOW TO GROOM A MINOR!"
KILL YOURSELF, KIKE.
You fucking yids always use this particular thing as a wedge. Walking right up to the line and waving your beaks, daring someone to do something.
If you get banned, you kvetch about censorship and "this site doesn't really support free speech" to drive users away, never explaining that you were pushed out for lusting after children. - "The jew will always tell you what happened. But he will never tell you why it happened."
If you're allowed to stay, you go running off to slander the site as supporting pedos, enabling you to both drive normies away and try to get it taken down. - "The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."
I know how you operate. If I just said "no, it's easy" on the main you'd project that it'd be wishful thinking, and then instead of info dumping you all at once you'd take a series of posts to disregard information in them, and then you'd dig through that post history to conjure up something that's not there.
I'm disinterested in playing games. I'm telling you you're wrong. I'm fully informing the board watching this exchange that you're wrong. No matter what anyone who pointed out "how does a stranger force you to do anything" is willfully ignorant, or at worst, malicious.
You're exactly the sort of guy that gets wrapped up in some attempted kidnapping of a governor nonsense. And no amount of shutting out the tools used against you for that purpose is going to save you or your family if you're not aware of how they will be deployed.
"I know how you operate. If I just said "no, it's easy" on the main you'd project that it'd be wishful thinking..."
Nice try, jew. There's a vast difference between "it's easy" and "here's a detailed how-to guide." The fact you chose to do that says a lot."
"...and then instead of info dumping you all at once you'd take a series of posts to disregard information in them, and then you'd dig through that post history to conjure up something that's not there."
"Oy vey all I did was post a literal instruction manual for grooming. I had to because otherwise you'd ignore AND attack me! I'm the victim here!"
"You're exactly the sort of guy that gets wrapped up in some attempted kidnapping of a governor nonsense. And no amount of shutting out the tools used against you for that purpose is going to save you or your family if you're not aware of how they will be deployed."
I said absolutely nothing about ignoring how tools are used against people. I merely asked why something like this could happen and why her parents didn't do their part to educate and protect her from predators like you. In return, you deflected and took the highly suspect approach of writing a step-by-step guide for how to be a predator.
[ - ] localsal 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:45:51 ago (+1/-0)
How is any of that the fault of omegle?
Shouldn't the ip scraper be more liable than omegle? Then snapchat?
Nothing happened on omegle, except for the random stranger connection - which the "victim" could easily disconnect from, and very easily never be connected with again.
Nothing happened on omegle, except for the random stranger connection - which the "victim" could easily disconnect from, and very easily never be connected with again.
Because it's right in the article.
There can be no honest accounting of Omegle without acknowledging that some people misused it, including to commit unspeakably heinous crimes.” K-Brooks’ note did not mention the settlement in his statement, but blamed the closure of Omegle on unspecified “attacks” against communication services.
There’s a flaw in K-Brooks’ argument: The telephone doesn’t connect children and teens directly to sexual predators with the click of a button. Omegle’s model allowed sexual predators to sign on and click through a roulette of people, continuously jumping from one to another until they were face-to-face with who they were looking for.
Like it or not, it's the legal precedent that has now been set.
better to approach this from the point of view that someone wanted to effectively argue the reality but didn't want that darkness associated with their main account
There's several posts in here saying "blackmail? from a stranger? that's impossible"
And I'm here to tell you from LE POV it's not just possible, there's centipedes in your vagina
The lawsuit seems to argue a segregation of the user base, but that's stupid. You can provide ID to prove you're an adult, there's no way to "prove you're a minor" consistently.
If you know how that site works then you know that this article has been put out as a smoke screen for the real reason it’s down. I don’t know what the real reason is but a girl showing her pussy to the same dude a bunch of times on a social media site that you can’t have a friends list or pick who you video chat with ain’t it.
Where were her parents and why weren't they monitoring her use of the internet? Furthermore why didn't they instill morals into her that undressing for strange men is unacceptable?
This is a It's Everyone Elses Fault instance like so many others.
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s CyberTipline. Of all the sites the center tracked, only Facebook, Google, Instagram, and WhatsApp ranked higher.
So 4 other websites exploit children more and nothing at all is being done about them.
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 28 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 18:29:17 ago (+28/-0)
How does a complete stranger on a screen force someone to do anything? Why was she on a site like that unsupervised at a young age? Where were her parents?? Why did they not teach her how to handle perverts on the Internet??
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 25 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:26:16 ago (+25/-0)
It's like the climate protesters. Notice they never protest chem factories, CEO homes, office buildings. They're always fucking with people in the street. The real target is the people.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 13 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:05:49 ago (+13/-0)
[ + ] GreenSaint
[ - ] GreenSaint 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 02:33:59 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] KyleIsThisTall
[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 12, 2023 01:16:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 10 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:01:18 ago (+10/-0)
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 10 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:21:14 ago (+12/-2)
Oh yeah, women crave external validation, even if that validation is abusive.
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 00:16:05 ago (+1/-0)*
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 8 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:42:49 ago (+8/-0)
[ + ] Inward
[ - ] Inward 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:22:13 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Swej_Ehtsag
[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 03:17:05 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] NedsHead
[ - ] NedsHead 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 07:09:54 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] thr0wawayyylmao
[ - ] thr0wawayyylmao 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:26:42 ago (+1/-1)
Easily.
"Oh, finally, I get matched up with a hot chick instead of some child."
"What's that? No you couldn't possibly be 11. Why are you lying? Are you trying to get people in trouble?"
"Listen I know what an 11 year old looks and sounds like, I've got an 11 year old. You're way too mature. You've got to be like 18. What's your name, 18 year old? Mary? Okay. Mary the 18 year old."
"Yeah, I'm going to just assume you're 18 because you keep lying to me. So what kind of car do you drive?"
"Okay okay, your parents, right, I'm so very sure, what sort of car do your parents drive?"
"Yeah, that's pretty cool. Too bad it's raining outside and you're stuck talking to strangers on Omegle, huh?"
"It's not raining? I don't believe you. Point the camera outside."
"Huh, it sure is sunny, palm trees and the like. It really looks like where I live, actually."
"Hey yeah I think I recognize that street, (name wrong street near a major landmark near the target) Smith Dr, right, there's like a Wienersnitzel on the corner there?"
"Oh right, right Jones Dr."
"Wow that's so weird. Do you know Emily Mitchell? You do, just a little? Yeah I'm her cousin."
"I'm a bit unnerved, really. It's too much of a coincidence that Omegle would match us up like this so close together. Honestly I think you're lying to me. I need to think of a question that only someone who goes to [such and such] Elementary would know. Name the gym coach. [truthful answer, Mr Bob, deem it as correct] Oh, yeah, that's correct. Okay but how do I know you actually go there? I'm thinking you're just talking with me to get info out of me to bully Emily."
"Look I don't know why you'd do that, but you know what would put me at ease? If you proved that you weren't some high schooler. I don't know, I'll think of something later."
"I'm taking Emily and her brother and sister to Raging Waters on Saturday. Maybe you want to come too? I actually have staff passes so no lines. It's pretty sweet. I dunno, though. Still haven't proven to me that you're not some high schooler. I'm going to ask Emily if she knows anything about you, if you're cool or if you're a bitch."
"I can give you a call later after I talk with her. You got a phone number? Snapchat? That's great."
"Yeah if everything works out, I'll give you a call later. It'll be from a different area code because I just moved here, so make sure you pick up for me, okay? Awesome. Talk to you later Mary."
Take all information gathered to this point to get to know more about the victim. Use the parent vehicle description to run down the street in Google Streetview to get an exact home address if you need it
"Yeah I talked to Emily, she said you could come with. Going to work that out closer to the day of but I'll talk to your mom when I show up. Yeah lol it'll be better if all the kids I'm responsible for are with me when I come to say you're invited with us. Just say I'm Emily's dad when you introduce me. I'm practically her dad anyway lol."
"You got a suit for Saturday? That's cool. What is it? One piece, two piece, bikini? Remember you can't wear any thongs to a waterpark lol. Two piece? Show me."
"What? Yeah, show me. Maybe we can all color coordinate so we can find each other in the crowds easier."
"What is that, red or burgandy or what? Get some lights on. You have a mirror?"
"Pretty nice, pretty nice. Are you SURE you're not 18? I'm having my doubts again. I'm starting to think you're not actually Mary and you're, like, Mary's older sister or something."
"Okay well prove it to me. High schoolers have breasts, right? You'd just be starting to get some. Pull that top up a bit and send a picture like that. Nuh-uh, that one wasn't good enough, keep your face in it, how do I know you're not handing the camera off to Mary?"
"Why'd you stop? You already sent me one with your top lifted, it's no big deal. You're really hot."
"Okay, you're right. You probably shouldn't have sent those to me. It is, after all, child porn. We both could get in real big trouble for what you've made already."
"What? Yeah, I'd go to prison but they also put the girl that makes the pictures in juvenile detention, too, sometimes for months. They get suspended from school and get put on a list like a sex offender. Not everyone can see it like the usual pedophiles but cops, teachers, coaches, they all can look up the list."
"LOL you don't believe me? Here watch this: https://www.tiktok.com/@skynews/video/7280819257351359777?lang=en
See? The cops will come after me for sure but what you did was also bad. You're a sex offender now. They're not going to let you be around your little sister anymore. Parents can't do anything. Cops will throw them in jail too if they know you did it."
"Listen, you and I, we can keep this between us. You know how to make some video? Yeah. Listen, I promise, after you do everything I ask you to, I'll delete it all. I swear. It'll just be a few days, a few videos, some pictures. Otherwise, though, I mean, if you talk to anyone about it, I'm going to just dump everything we have so far to people at your school. Then the cops are going to get it and then it's all on you at that point, right? They're going to come to 622 Jones Dr and ask if a Mary Aberanthe lives there and try explaining what you've been doing to your parents. You don't even know my real name so how could you even explain to them who you gave the pictures to?"
"Okay, tomorrow evening. I'm going to send you a link to take you to a private video chat room. Be pretty. Be ready."
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 00:04:47 ago (+2/-0)
@system - sounds like we got a chomo here.
[ + ] thr0wawayyylmao
[ - ] thr0wawayyylmao 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 15:23:32 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=654eb7e7f4129&commentid=654f047bbed94
You're an idiot.
"we need a free speech website!"
"OH WHOA NOT THAT FREE SPEECH TO EXPLAIN FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE THAT SOMEONE IGNORANT TO THE FACTS OF THE PROCESS IS WRONG!"
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 16:21:25 ago (+1/-0)*
KILL YOURSELF, KIKE.
You fucking yids always use this particular thing as a wedge. Walking right up to the line and waving your beaks, daring someone to do something.
If you get banned, you kvetch about censorship and "this site doesn't really support free speech" to drive users away, never explaining that you were pushed out for lusting after children. - "The jew will always tell you what happened. But he will never tell you why it happened."
If you're allowed to stay, you go running off to slander the site as supporting pedos, enabling you to both drive normies away and try to get it taken down. - "The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."
We See You...
[ + ] thr0wawayyylmao
[ - ] thr0wawayyylmao 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 18:19:25 ago (+0/-0)
I'm disinterested in playing games. I'm telling you you're wrong. I'm fully informing the board watching this exchange that you're wrong. No matter what anyone who pointed out "how does a stranger force you to do anything" is willfully ignorant, or at worst, malicious.
You're exactly the sort of guy that gets wrapped up in some attempted kidnapping of a governor nonsense. And no amount of shutting out the tools used against you for that purpose is going to save you or your family if you're not aware of how they will be deployed.
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 19:33:31 ago (+0/-0)
Nice try, jew. There's a vast difference between "it's easy" and "here's a detailed how-to guide." The fact you chose to do that says a lot."
"Oy vey all I did was post a literal instruction manual for grooming. I had to because otherwise you'd ignore AND attack me! I'm the victim here!"
I said absolutely nothing about ignoring how tools are used against people. I merely asked why something like this could happen and why her parents didn't do their part to educate and protect her from predators like you. In return, you deflected and took the highly suspect approach of writing a step-by-step guide for how to be a predator.
So I say again...
#WE SEE YOU, JEW. NECK YOURSELF UNTIL DEAD.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:45:51 ago (+1/-0)
Shouldn't the ip scraper be more liable than omegle? Then snapchat?
Nothing happened on omegle, except for the random stranger connection - which the "victim" could easily disconnect from, and very easily never be connected with again.
[ + ] NedsHead
[ - ] NedsHead 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 07:05:56 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] thr0wawayyylmao
[ - ] thr0wawayyylmao 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 23:00:47 ago (+0/-0)
Because it's right in the article.
Like it or not, it's the legal precedent that has now been set.
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 23:28:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] thr0wawayyylmao
[ - ] thr0wawayyylmao 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 23:35:07 ago (+0/-0)
There's several posts in here saying "blackmail? from a stranger? that's impossible"
And I'm here to tell you from LE POV it's not just possible, there's centipedes in your vagina
I mean, it's more likely than you think.
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 23:05:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] thr0wawayyylmao
[ - ] thr0wawayyylmao 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 23:36:58 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 14 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:00:06 ago (+14/-0)
Lol and a jew egging her on and profiting from this bullshit, what the fuck ever. This shit is so peak trope it hurts.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 3 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:02:53 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] MasklessTheGreat
[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 11 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:14:03 ago (+11/-0)
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 9 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:44:10 ago (+9/-0)
[ + ] Niggly_Puff
[ - ] Niggly_Puff 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 20:48:32 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels 4 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:27:15 ago (+4/-0)
This is a It's Everyone Elses Fault instance like so many others.
[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 4 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 18:37:11 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes 3 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:26:12 ago (+3/-0)
And they realize that anyone could use it to spread truth directly.
They're shutting down the distribution of literature to people's driveways.
They're shutting down random electronic communications between people that aren't tracked.
Because these things can be used to spread the truth about Jews and they're not really that easily controllable.
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:00:29 ago (+2/-0)
Burn her own house down for it was her house where she was abused.
turn off all internet and electricity. for it was the electricity and internet that allowed the computer power.
[ + ] Shotinthedark
[ - ] Shotinthedark 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 19:09:31 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] KyleIsThisTall
[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 12, 2023 01:15:49 ago (+0/-0)
NOPE
She is for the streets
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 00:05:31 ago (+1/-0)
Who would have thought the article would end with this? Shocking! /S
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 18:26:01 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] NedsHead
[ - ] NedsHead 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 07:03:11 ago (+0/-0)
This is all you need to know
[ + ] Artificial_Intelligentile
[ - ] Artificial_Intelligentile 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 11, 2023 02:43:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] NoRefunds
[ - ] NoRefunds 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 22:41:53 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 21:35:59 ago (+0/-0)
So 4 other websites exploit children more and nothing at all is being done about them.
[ + ] Rob3122
[ - ] Rob3122 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 10, 2023 18:21:12 ago (+2/-2)