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Experiments in Food Prep: The three year old biscuit.

submitted by totes_magotes to preppers 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 07:40:40 ago (+15/-0)     (preppers)

This is one of the ones that I expected to fail but I also expected freeze dried mushrooms to not turn into mush in sealed bags since it lasts forever if you immediately grind it into a powder so there's that. Additionally, I have what I call "Breakfast in a cup" which is biscuits, gravy, eggs, hashbrowns, cheese and it works very well - just add hot water and eat. The texture isn't amazing or anything like you might expect - it's more like a mush but it's tasty and doesn't seem to go bad.

For the new people at home: about 6 years ago I got a freeze dryer. Since then I've been experimenting with it to see what can and can't be done to preserve foods long term. The big selling point of freeze dried food is that, properly done and packaged, it can last up to 25 years on the shelf.

I know people have asked me to attach photos of the food I'm working with but this is just a biscuit. It looked like a biscuit before, during, after, and now. So, no picture.

Generally speaking, breads are problematic to freeze dry. Sure, you take ALL of the water out so mold, etc. can't grow on it but rehydrating any kind of bread is annoying at best because it's just so dry and adding any kind of water tends to make it just turn into mush.

I wanted to see if biscuits could be freeze dried because a good homemade biscuit can be a boon. It can be a comfort food, it can be combined with powdered or freeze dried homemade gravy (also a powder but whatever). It's not like hard tack which tastes like crackers but you absolutely want to moisten them up because the name "hard" is absolutely what they are and there's a real chance of breaking teeth if you bite into it. Biscuits turn into rocks.

I made sure that this pack of biscuits was one of the packs that hadn't lost its seal and still had vacuum.

The idea was: Whip out a pack of biscuits, add some hot water to a batch of gravy until it was a little thin, crumble the biscuit and pour the gravy on top and let the extra water rehydrate the biscuit. That part went without a hitch. Freeze dried gravy doesn't rehydrate with the same texture so I used fresh gravy in order to eliminate variables like that and the biscuit did indeed soften and become something close to what you'd expect.

Unfortunately, biscuits are made with oil, butter, lard, etc... some kind of fat. Smarter people here already see that there's a significant chance of the fat in it going rancid. I've had mixed results with fats in foods in the past so it's definitely not a "always fail" issue. For example, gravy is made with oil and it lasts fine.

The texture of the biscuit was fine. It's not a "fresh out of the oven" texture, for sure. But it's passable in a pinch. The taste was a little bitter as you might expect when oil starts to go rancid but it wasn't terribly strong. So I ate it up and waited.

Result: FAIL.

I had liquid shit squirting out of my ass all day.

So biscuits are not something you can reliably shelve for long term storage like that.


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[ - ] GrayDragon 7 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 08:01:33 ago (+7/-0)

I know people have asked me to attach photos of the food I'm working with but this is just a biscuit. It looked like a biscuit before, during, after, and now.

This made me laugh for some reason. I blame it on morning grogginess.

Also, I love these storage posts you make.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:43:54 ago (+1/-0)

Yeah, sometimes the food looks a little different but FFS, it's a biscuit. It doesn't change just because it's dried out.

Glad you like them.

[ - ] bobdole9 6 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 09:18:43 ago (+6/-0)

This topic needs its own sub...and a shortlist of "DON'T BOTHER" foods.

Then again, this is preppers.

[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 4 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 10:35:24 ago (+4/-0)

Nice work, thank you!

[ - ] Sheitstrom 4 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 10:01:30 ago (+4/-0)

Thanks for the update. Makes me wonder what MRE pizza is actually made of now...

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 3 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 10:21:02 ago (+3/-0)

The same poisons they feed you at McDonalds or any other goyslop dispensary, just in more concentrated form.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:44:52 ago (+1/-0)

Generally just pizza. I've freeze dried pizza and ate it 3 years later. Didn't make a post. It looked like dried old pizza but tasted just fine. But, yeah, no, don't try to rehydrate that either.

[ - ] deleted 3 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 10:27:55 ago (+3/-0)

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[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:45:27 ago (+1/-0)

After the hershey's squirts all day, I'm not sure I wanna wait another 3 years to try!

[ - ] deleted 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:52:30 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 17:47:26 ago (+0/-0)

Ice cream, cookie dough, onion rings, skittles, starburst, marshmallows, cheese (ground into powder), spices, instant coffee.

The list of good freeze dried shit is huge.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 19:31:03 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] Crackinjokes 2 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 12:40:42 ago (+2/-0)

Interesting that oil can go bad since you can literally buy lard off the shelf in the grocery store and it needs no refrigeration and won't go bad or at least I've never seen it go bad in months.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:47:51 ago (+0/-0)

Oil is high in polyunsaturated, lard is high in monounsaturated fat. Lard tends to contain antioxidants. Oil is more highly refined.

[ - ] LiberalsAreMental 2 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 11:32:31 ago (+2/-0)

https://empiredrying.com/freeze-drying-problems-and-mistakes/

Another common mistake with freeze drying is doing it on fatty and sugary foods. Yes, you can freeze-dry almost any food, but those with high-fat and high-sugar content are an exception.

"Because fat goes rancid sooner, your freeze-dried food will last only a few years. If you want to freeze-dry meat (e.g. an already-cooked steak), drain or remove the extra fat prior to processing it. When it comes to sugary items like honey and jams, what happens is that they’ll remain sticky even with increased drying time. So, avoid freeze drying them."

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 2 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 10:20:15 ago (+3/-1)

Biscuits are made of stuff that already stores well for long periods of time.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:48:26 ago (+0/-0)

True but I can't tote around a stove as easily. Yes, I know... fire. But also "pan".

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:51:14 ago (+0/-0)

You aren't going to tote around 3 years worth of grub.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 17:48:15 ago (+0/-0)

And I'm not going to always have power to turn on my oven, either.

Prepping is not about some specific thing or plan. It's about "what if."

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 18:02:38 ago (+1/-0)

Can't find out if an idea is good until you try it. Nobody really wants to experiment if their life depended on it...would rather take the "tried and true" method.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 18:14:15 ago (+0/-0)

A lot of those just "trust the science." Which is not at all how science works but okay, whatever.

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 13:58:17 ago (+1/-0)

I like rubber biscuits.

[ - ] GodDoesNotExist 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 10:44:30 ago (+1/-0)

How much does a freeze dryer cost these days ?

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 16:49:04 ago (+1/-0)

Still around $2000ish to start.

[ - ] GodDoesNotExist 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 23:37:53 ago (+1/-0)

yeah still not really affordable. I'd love to have one though, good for you.

[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 11:50:18 ago (+0/-0)

You dont get any prizes for making yourself sick, you are just an idiot.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 18:04:04 ago (+1/-0)

He's learning what not to do.

[ - ] Gowithit 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 18:06:06 ago (+0/-0)

Or building up an iron stomach. Still a good idea.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 8 monthsAug 9, 2023 18:47:27 ago (+0/-0)

Dying from dysentery is not on my bingo card of preferred ways to go.