I haven't looked into this much myself yet, but what are your thoughts? I've heard the argument that most of the stuff that lets EVERYONE be a Christian, the universal love, etc, stuff comes from the books he wrote.
Well, like I said I haven't looked into it much. I haven't read the Bible since I was a kid. I recently started reading it again, though. Started at the New Testament and haven't yet gotten to anything Paul wrote.
From what I remember, the argument goes that Paul subverted it with universalism. Jesus said he only came for Israelites. Israelites are Whites. But Paul wrote stuff like... basically the whole chapter of Galatians 3 saying that anyone can become Christian if they have "faith"
I cringed hard and closed the video. Bad etymology and anachronisms are not going to undo all the evidence that jews are jews and whites are whites:
- White populations speak indo european languages which have common gramatical features and vocabulary. Hebrew populations speak semetic languages which have nothing in common with european ones, they are more closely related to arabic languages.
- Heebs have bred into several non-semetic populations including europeans, but the genes they have in common are not european, they are a distinct semetic ethnic group.
- Their religion is a patchwork of ideas they stole from surrounding civilisations (including some european ones) but the core texts still betray their narcissistic hebrew worldview and have little in common philosophically with european thought patterns.
If it weren't for the fact that we're stuck with a jewish book at the core of our society I do not believe for a moment any white nationalist would be arguing that whites are really jews.
If you're not going to look into the evidence that I present then there's no point in looking at anything YOU present. If you don't want to watch a long doc theres more concise information in the pastebin.
This isn't my first rodeo, I've been through these arguments many many times before and never come across anything solid... it's all been tenuous wishful thinking so far.
But ok, if I watch that hour long documentary is there doing to be something with meat on it? Is there going to be genetic evidence, linguistics and archeology providing a solid argument for the idea that jews are not jews and whites are the real jews?
Because as things stand that claim is a massive stretch and only gets made by people trying to write themselves into jewish history.
I had a look through the pastebin and it's not convincing. All of those prophecies about the israelites are extremely vague and could be said to have been fulfilled (or not) by any number of ethnic groups.
Meanwhile we have the awkward problem that whites are closely related to each other, but not to the ancient hebrews. And some jews are related to whites, but all jews are related to the ancient hebrews.
We know for a fact the jews act like dickheads while writing their propaganda to make themselves look like saints, so why is it so difficult to believe that's what the bible is?
Esau, the twin brother of Jacob, who birthed the Israelites is described as
25The first one came out red, covered with hair like a fur coat; so they named him Esau
red hair, a trait usually found in whites mostly. If Esau was white his twinbrother was too.
7Her dignitaries were brighter than snow, whiter than milk; their bodies were more ruddy than rubies, their appearance like sapphires. 8But now their appearance is blacker than soot; they are not recognized in the streets. Their skin has shriveled on their bones; it has become as dry as a stick
So first they were white, then something happened, likely the captivity where they were brought away, and were replaced by dark people.
We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners
archeology
The white race are the actual chosen people, the Israelites. This gets clear already when you see that Mount Aratat, where Noah landed with his arc is the same place where the white people, caucasusoids, come frome from, the Caucasus
this Ur Kasdim is assumed to either be in what is today southern Turkey or upper Mesopotamia where the Indo Europeans got 2000 BC, or next to where on pic related "Medes" is located where they arrived a bit later officially
We have the floodmyth and stories of a rebellious knowledgebringer and (evil) serpent causing calamity with a woman involved, all around the world together with the Swastika, a solar symbol where the sun also is a common symbol for God and Jesus, with Europeans having been around everywhere even in ancient times, including the Americas
enabling them to bring the stories around (if they didnt develop independently through actual global events being recorded) Additionally the Aztecs as well, describe their gods as coming from over the sea with a ship that moved on its own.
The chinese talk about blue eyed and blonde haired people who created a civilization and ruled for some time. A lot of egyptians mummies are shown to have had blonde hair etc.
Archaic Biblical Hebrew from the 10th to the 6th century BCE, corresponding to the Monarchic Period until the Babylonian Exile and represented by certain texts in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), notably the Song of Moses (Exodus 15) and the Song of Deborah (Judges 5). Also called Old Hebrew or Paleo-Hebrew. It was written in the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet. A script descended from this, the Samaritan alphabet, is still used by the Samaritans.
Originally the bible was written in Paleo-Hebrew.
Pic related, left is Paleo Hebrew and on the right the Vinca Runes found across europe, mainly central and southeast giving a further connection between those
(1) O Three-One God of the land of Thrace, (2) I vow in Truth to bring you all due offerings, O great Son of God, (3) And only you (shall) I praise (and exalt), O my God (for you are) great! (4) You who are now in your temple, (I pray, hear me), keep me safe and deliver me (from all evil)!
Three one god, the trinity being a theme in the oldest text we have deciphered so far. The trinity is another theme which draws itself across a lot of culture, from sumer to egypt, to the Nordics and of course christianity written in the Vinca Runes, found in Bulgaria (Balkans)
This is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin
red, like whites are right after birth or when too long in the sun, or when blushing
A picture commanded to be made of Jesus by Tiberius Ceasar. Apparently a recreation, but still in the Library of Congress so probably accurate
Firstly, that's not genetic evidence. Secondly, it doesn't really count as historical evidence either. There's precious little evidence the romans knew or cared about anyone called jesus christ until a century plus after his death. Even then only in the context of recording "btw there's this new cult and this is what they believe."
Claiming that the emperor himself was interested enough to commission a painting of some random jewish outlaw, then no one ever mentioned him again for a hundred years is not credible.
What's probable is that it's yet another 19th century fake sold to gullible collectors.
Red hair, white skin
That passage doesn't say red hair, just that he was red and covered in hair. Crying babies are often red when they are born.
As for pale skin... it's a relative term. Just because someone's whiter than the sandnigs around them doesn't make them a nord. Taking it literally and trying to apply a modern ethnographic term is a huge stretch.
The white race are the actual chosen people, the Israelites. This gets clear already when you see that Mount Aratat, where Noah landed with his arc is the same place where the white people, caucasusoids, come frome from, the Caucasus
Just one problem, the theory that whites originated in anatolia has not stood the test of time. All linguistic and genetic evidence suggests we evolved around the Ukraine, and if you want to go further back we came from northern central asia.
It is also known that the blue eyed people all have a common anchestor
We got blue eyes from interbreeding with the WHG/AFF europeans. The majority of our ancestry comes from corded ware/yamnaya steppe herders.
Writing system
Irrelevant. Writing systems were routinely swapped around in the bronze age, they don't indicated national origin. The actual language of the europeans is unrelated the the language of the hebrews. There is no good explanation for this if the hebrews were actually white.
We have the floodmyth and stories of a rebellious knowledgebringer and (evil) serpent causing calamity with a woman involved, all around the world together with the Swastika, a solar symbol where the sun also is a common symbol for God and Jesus, with Europeans having been around everywhere even in ancient times, including the Americas
The jews didn't originate the flood myth, they stole it from the sumerians, who also aren't white. The fact that they cobbled their religion together from various white and nonwhite sources does not prove they were white.
The chinese talk about blue eyed and blonde haired people who created a civilization and ruled for some time. A lot of egyptians mummies are shown to have had blonde hair etc.
The Tahrim basin mummies yes, also burials in Shandong. That has nothing to do with jews though.
Three one god, the trinity being a theme in the oldest text we have deciphered so far. The trinity is another theme which draws itself across a lot of culture, from sumer to egypt, to the Nordics and of course christianity written in the Vinca Runes, found in Bulgaria (Balkans)
Trinitarianism is a very european concept yes. The early christians (mostly hellenised jews) drew heavily on native european beliefs (particularly neoplantonism) to create their religion.
The 100 proofs vid is gold !! I've posted it here on Voat a few times. The first few points are a little weak as I recall but by the time you get to 15- 20 , I was already convinced. By 50 !! Then. By the end, you want every White European to see it. 💪🏻💪🏻
What it says is that there was a unique population in the levant during the copper age (long before jewish history starts) and they're unrelated to previous or later populations.
He is right. First, Jesus came for the Israelites, but then after seeing even gentiles can have faith and that there were too much corruption to save certain Israelites, He changed the message, more as punishment to the Chosen than to gift the gentiles.
[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 10:09:10 ago (+2/-1)
The Four Evangelists were written for different groups, Mark was written to Israeli Gentiles. The Gospel of Matthew was written to the Jews. The Gospel of Luke was addressed to Theophilus, meaning "Beloved of God" arguable over whether to an individual or not. John appears intended to all.
The Pauline Epistles nearly missed being included in the early Bible canon. The Book of Revelations is constantly accepted and rejected.
Evangelising simply means telling the story of either Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, One either accepts God and the way or they reject it. Everything else is personal as to which tin pot dictator with or without a Bible you want to follow instead of God.
According to Sanders, first-century Palestinian Judaism was not a "legalistic community," nor was it oriented to "salvation by works." As God's chosen people, they were under his covenant. Contrary to Protestant belief, following the Law was not a way of entering the covenant, but of staying within it.
These faggots wanted you to believe that having Christ killed didn't rob them of their place as "God's Chosen" and that Paul wasn't asking jews to reject judaism for the Satanisc worship that it had become.
To be quite honest I've been more into "monism" for a greater part of my adult life. It makes a decent amount of sense to me, and has personally helped me out a lot. My major issues with my spirituality are mostly the questions
"If monism is real, why do the current powers seem to be pushing it?"
"Whats the deal with the Bible being about kikes but Whites taking it up?"
"if God real why bad thing happen?"
I feel like I'm never gonna really settle on an answer and kind of always drift around.
In the NT, Israel isn't a land mass filled with hypocrites intent on evil doings.
Er... both in the OT and NT jews are pretty consistantly depicted jewing about as hard as they do today. They put a nice spin on it because they're the ones writing the book but their behaviour is pretty consistant.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 13:03:56 ago (+2/-1)
How small does your mind have to be to read the word "Israel" and think the word "jew"? Israel became a nation state of jews in 1948. Even now, it isn't a jewish state. Even now, it is a secular state that voted to reject judaism as its national religion and plays host as the Homosexual Capital of the World with the most faggots per capita in Tel Aviv than any other city on the fucking planet.
How small does your mind have to be to read the word "Israel" and think the word "jew"? Israel became a nation state of jews in 1948.
Stop with the retarded hair splitting and semantic arguments.
The hebrews were a historically homogenous population. They shared the same language, genetics, religion and were typically part of a unified country. The fact that they were occasionally split into the judeans and israelites (but then reunited) makes no odds, they were still the same people.
The modern word for those people are "jews". You can bitch and whine that that word originally referred to the judeans specifically but what you call them doesn't change what they are. They are the people of the old testament and the new testament. They are the founders of the religions of judaism and christianity. They are also very likely the founders of islam.
When people use the word "african" they're referring to nigs, not berbers or boers. When people (at least in america) use the word "asian" they're referring to east asians, not turks or russians.
And yes, when people use the word "jew" they are talking about the modern descendants of the hebrews. The people who wrote the old testament are the same people running the banks, trooning the kids and grabbing any land they can get their hands on.
There are no "modern jews" or "talmudic jews" there are only "jews". The sooner you accept this the better for everyone yourself included.
Hey, stupid nigger. Elon Musk is African, as was every family member born in Apartheid South Africa or Rhodesia.
In biblical Israel, it was all the land between the Nile and Euphrates, which included Aryian people, Syrian people, Arabs, Persians and filthy fucking jews, and only a small minded moron would lump all these people together to come up with "joos".
In biblical Israel, it was all the land between the Nile and Euphrates, which included Aryian people, Syrian people, Arabs, Persians and filthy fucking jews, and only a small minded moron would lump all these people together to come up with "joos".
That's nice, fortunately no one did.
What I did do was lump together the jews and the rest of the israelites, because they're the same people and their descendants are the banker clan we all know and love today.
What I did do was lump together the jews and the rest of the israelites, because they're the same people and their descendants are the banker clan we all know and love today.
That's exactly right. This is what you did do. And in doing so proved to anyone reading that you're a fucking idiot.
To suggest Aryians, Arabs, Persians, Syrians, Jordanians, Palestinians, and jews are all the same is pure fuck-headery, little different than the "we are all one race" feminists shit-minds.
There was a reason that his Letters were chosen to be on the Bible. I tend to believe it is because even the most ardent anti-Christian pharisee can convert and become holy. And that is why.
That's an essentially Nazi idea that Alfred Rosenberg promoted. That St. Paul was a Jew that subverted the non-Jew Jesus' message. Though he got it from Houston Stewart Chamberlain.
Nietzsche also viewed Paul essentially as a Jewish conspirator that subverted the noble and aristocratic values of Aryans. This is for those that describe Nietzsche as a 'Jew lover'.
But I dunno. When I was a Gnostic I had more time for such stuff. Some forms of Gnosticism or adjacent currents tried to purge Jewish influence altogether. Marcion even rejected the Old Testament. And Rosenberg was a sort of modern Gnostic.
You should probably read The Myth of the Twentieth Century. That's the best I can do right now.
Edit: 2 downvotes in 49 seconds or less by the way. Not TOO obvious.
I don't agree but anyone who wants to read just the Gospels isn't going to be discounted by me as a Christian. I certainly see Paul's philosophy and theology is consistent with Jesus. If you want to talk about subversion, the Rome embracing Christianity and essentially forcing jews and pagans into it for the sake of political power did a lot more damage.
[ - ] dicedice 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 17:03:46 ago (+1/-0)
As a position its a hard one to back up, since most of what we have about Christianity outside of the Gospels themselves is based on Paul's theological essays and letters. Paul's arguments stand as solid arguments, and are what helped convert me. I would find this a hard point to argue.
That said, researching some topics that make life even possible to live as a Christian today has led me to the conclusion that there is one glaring error in Church doctrine almost universally since the error itself predates the split of the Catholic church.
It's to do with the 7th commandment, marriage, and divorce. Essentially the enforced monogamy within the church does more harm than good. While it is true that men were created in the image of God and men and women created he them, there is no strict prohibition on men having more than one wife. Unless you want to be a deacon. Even then it may be a translation error as "husband of one wife" could just be "husband of the first wife," essentially making the condition of the position having never been divorced. Every instance of old testament law or prophet excoriation used against polygyny is more accurately applied against divorce.
Today this sort of thing spells disaster for women. Can you find a virgin wife? No. Can any man in the west? Women have it in their heads that adultery can go both ways, when in actuality it is a matter of adulteresses and adulterators. Men can adulterate, but women are adulterated.
I did not come to this conclusion lightly. The book Polygamia Triumphatrix outlines many arguments, both secular and scriptural, as to polygyny as a natural Christian position that was quashed by Rome or other agents. It includes a conspiracy that I have trouble with the translation of, but it seems like an ancient tranny cult around 900 to 1100 AD had some provocation towards removing the tendency of multi-marriage to diminish their numbers. "Neither male nor female" the thing was supposed to be. The other book is Thelyphthora a treatise on female ruin. Thankfully this one was written in English. It's three volumes, of which I have read the first through to the addendum. It raises arguments that are well put together. Included in the arguments is the notion that if Christian marriage really is meant to be plural and polygynous, as the parable of the groomsman the ten virgins are waiting for indicates, then considering the Godhead identifies Himself as a polygynous entity, our metaphorical understanding of Him may be itself adulterated as we have an inappropriate scaffolding upon which to shape it.
As far as errors go, if this is accurate, it's a pretty big one. Espousing it is sure to make one the subject of ridicule or accusations of selfishness. And I must admit I may only be so easily convinced of it out of my own selfish ends, although I have to say it is not the answer to the problem of mass loneliness and white childlessness I was hoping for. The rampant adulterous mess of the current "dating" scene that many so-called Christians are entangled in would need a harder rock to slay it than simply saying this. It may even make matters worse for the truly lonely unless implemented with honesty and earnestness, if there is even something to be implemented.
Consider the history of the split of the RC and Anglican church. The matter was made over divorce. If monogamous marriage was not the doctrine of the day, there would have been no issue. The king just takes an extra fertile bride or two. Consider the state of ugly women in the early feminist years. Men ignore them as the one woman they marry must tick as many boxes as possible. From these desperate lonely women we get the feminist movement's fertile ground. If they could have been joined to practical unions for purposes other than beauty, then we may not see the disaster we are currently living through.
This retrospective is hypothetical. It's impossible to honestly examine the fruits of something that hasn't happened. There may well be gross consequences of it I cannot predict as a mass application of something this contrary to today has no example. I encourage you to read the books provided, particularly Thelyphthora as it is actually readable.
no i'm saying that the view that paul subverted christianity is the unbiblical teaching
no basis on scripture, whats more ....
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
this peter talking about paul. people that spout this nonsense are either malicious or stupid
Every author of the 66 books in the bible were written by a jew. Christianity, by definition, was kiked from the beginning.
The question here is, how much grifting did (((Saul))) accomplish to make his particular cult of Jewish Apocalypticism palatable to his target audience, who were gentile slaves of the Roman Empire?
"Universal Love" is a Christian value because a slave can not disassociate with the 20 other slaves with 20 different ethnicities he's forced to sleep with in a shed. A "good" slave gets along with his fellow slaves, and perhaps is given authority to spread "christian" values among his slave peers. Meanwhile a "bad" slave, causes contention among his peers, and is punished by the master. Thus, the "good" slave values propagate among slaves, and the "bad" slave values are weeded out. Leaving only Christian slaves.
(((Saul's))) plan was effective because he was essentially HR for the Roman owned slaves.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 12:58:59 ago (+2/-1)
Cut and paste the same bullshit 5 fucking times.
And what is it that you post? How Paul, a jew, was secretly undermining Christianity. However, the Bible makes it clear that Paul tried to get the jew fucks to stop worshipping Satan and return to obeying God's law.
The "New Perspective on Paul" is a faggot filled dick of an attempt to keep idiots believing that jews are God's Chosen and are allowed to worship Satan but still receive salvation for being nothing more than a filthy fucking heeb.
This ain't the God damned Bible, ya fucking idiot. Its Wikipedia and a reference to a faggot that wrote the book on a "new perspective of paul" which makes jews out to be God's chosen despite having Christ killed. It's a perspective that most historical "theologians" do not agree with, but many jew dick suckers, Luke yourself, want people to believe.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 13:13:34 ago (+2/-1)
Wikipedia points to Dunn. Click the link to Dunn and you'll see he wrote the book called "A New Perspective on Paul". Click that link and you'll go to where it tells you that this "Perspective" isn't accepted by most of the historical theologicans and that even one of the 3 founders of this "new Perspective" didn't agree with many of the other 2's assertions. It then goes on to tell you about the jew friendly take on Paul's life.
The "new" perspective has been heavily criticized by many scholars in the Reformed and Protestant tradition, arguing that it undermines the classical, individualistic, Augustinian interpretation of election and does not faithfully reflect the teachings of the Scriptures. It has been the subject of fierce debate among Evangelicals in recent years, mainly due to N. T. Wright's increasing popularity in evangelical circles.
Sorry. Rabbi child dick sucker, no matter how infiltrated the church becomes the scriptures are clear.
Paul asked the jews to reject judaism and return to obedience of God's law and to accept the son of God, Christ. He told them that they were not God's chosen and that their self assurity of salvation was misplaced. You faggots burn in hell along with every other pagan, heathen, and atheist.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 13:47:44 ago (+2/-1)
You couldn't be more retarded.
Pharisees are notable by the numerous references to them in the New Testament. While the writers record hostilities between the Pharisees and Jesus, they also reference Pharisees who believed in him, including Nicodemus, who said it is known that Jesus is a teacher sent from God,[6] also Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple,[7] and an unknown number of "those of the party of the Pharisees who believed",[8] among them the Apostle Paul – a student of Gamaliel,[9] who warned the Sanhedrin that opposing the disciples of Jesus could prove to be tantamount to opposing God[10] – even after becoming an apostle of Jesus Christ.[11][12]
No matter how many jew suck dicksc try to rewrite history, history will remain in tact.
Paul told the jews to leave Satanism behind and to return to the one true God. Its well documented. The jews rejected Paul and will suffer eternal hell for their choice.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 5 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:24:05 ago (+10/-5)
Where, in the Bible, does Paul subvert Christianity?
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 2 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 10:41:59 ago (+2/-0)
The debate over Paul started there, a little while ago. Usual suspects.
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 3 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 10:51:27 ago (+3/-0)
https://www.talk.lol/viewpost?postid=643406589bb87
then remembered the theory I heard about Paul and wondered what you guys thought about it.
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted -1 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 19:57:26 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:26:16 ago (+3/-2)
that's right
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] -1 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:29:43 ago (+1/-2)
From what I remember, the argument goes that Paul subverted it with universalism. Jesus said he only came for Israelites. Israelites are Whites. But Paul wrote stuff like... basically the whole chapter of Galatians 3 saying that anyone can become Christian if they have "faith"
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203&version=KJV
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:32:49 ago (+4/-2)
Ok... you lost me there.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 7 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:36:58 ago (+8/-1)
I beg to differ.
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 5 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:37:03 ago (+6/-1)
Who are the Israelites Infographic - https://files.catbox.moe/mb96ie.jpeg
Ludwig Ruckdeschel quote on Whites and Christianity - https://files.catbox.moe/er80yr.png
100 PROOFS the Israelites were WHITE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_pBwpOoLo0
more in here
https://pastebin.com/a1t1cVvG
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 4 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:46:47 ago (+8/-4)
I cringed hard and closed the video. Bad etymology and anachronisms are not going to undo all the evidence that jews are jews and whites are whites:
- White populations speak indo european languages which have common gramatical features and vocabulary. Hebrew populations speak semetic languages which have nothing in common with european ones, they are more closely related to arabic languages.
- Heebs have bred into several non-semetic populations including europeans, but the genes they have in common are not european, they are a distinct semetic ethnic group.
- Their religion is a patchwork of ideas they stole from surrounding civilisations (including some european ones) but the core texts still betray their narcissistic hebrew worldview and have little in common philosophically with european thought patterns.
If it weren't for the fact that we're stuck with a jewish book at the core of our society I do not believe for a moment any white nationalist would be arguing that whites are really jews.
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 5 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 09:56:30 ago (+6/-1)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 10:16:14 ago (+5/-4)
But ok, if I watch that hour long documentary is there doing to be something with meat on it? Is there going to be genetic evidence, linguistics and archeology providing a solid argument for the idea that jews are not jews and whites are the real jews?
Because as things stand that claim is a massive stretch and only gets made by people trying to write themselves into jewish history.
I had a look through the pastebin and it's not convincing. All of those prophecies about the israelites are extremely vague and could be said to have been fulfilled (or not) by any number of ethnic groups.
Meanwhile we have the awkward problem that whites are closely related to each other, but not to the ancient hebrews. And some jews are related to whites, but all jews are related to the ancient hebrews.
We know for a fact the jews act like dickheads while writing their propaganda to make themselves look like saints, so why is it so difficult to believe that's what the bible is?
[ + ] VicariousJambi
[ - ] VicariousJambi [op] 6 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 10:36:04 ago (+7/-1)*
https://archive.is/Km3ZA
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genetic evidence
A picture commanded to be made of Jesus by Tiberius Ceasar. Apparently a recreation, but still in the Library of Congress so probably accurate
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/90707066/
Esau, the twin brother of Jacob, who birthed the Israelites is described as
So first they were white, then something happened, likely the captivity where they were brought away, and were replaced by dark people.
https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316
archeology
The white race are the actual chosen people, the Israelites. This gets clear already when you see that Mount Aratat, where Noah landed with his arc is the same place where the white people, caucasusoids, come frome from, the Caucasus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat
It is also known that the blue eyed people all have a common anchestor
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
Which most likely was Adam or Noah if the timeframe is off
Furthermore Abraham migrated into Canaan from "Ur of the Chaldeans" around 2000 BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_of_the_Chaldees
this Ur Kasdim is assumed to either be in what is today southern Turkey or upper Mesopotamia where the Indo Europeans got 2000 BC, or next to where on pic related "Medes" is located where they arrived a bit later officially
We have the floodmyth and stories of a rebellious knowledgebringer and (evil) serpent causing calamity with a woman involved, all around the world together with the Swastika, a solar symbol where the sun also is a common symbol for God and Jesus, with Europeans having been around everywhere even in ancient times, including the Americas
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html
enabling them to bring the stories around (if they didnt develop independently through actual global events being recorded)
Additionally the Aztecs as well, describe their gods as coming from over the sea with a ship that moved on its own.
The chinese talk about blue eyed and blonde haired people who created a civilization and ruled for some time. A lot of egyptians mummies are shown to have had blonde hair etc.
Egyptians Were White - https://files.catbox.moe/p8agfx.png
Egyptians Were White 2 - https://files.catbox.moe/uni1vk.png
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linguistics
(I'm not really into linguistics myself but ill put this here.)
Note that hebrew like we know it exist like this like the middle of the 19th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language
Originally the bible was written in Paleo-Hebrew.
Pic related, left is Paleo Hebrew and on the right the Vinca Runes found across europe, mainly central and southeast giving a further connection between those
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew_alphabet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols
given a further connection that the real isralites and chosen people are the aryans
http://piramidasunca.ba/bs/latest-news/item/3495-the-oldest-writing-in-the-world-has-been-decoded.html
(2) I vow in Truth to bring you all due offerings, O great Son of God,
(3) And only you (shall) I praise (and exalt), O my God (for you are) great!
(4) You who are now in your temple, (I pray, hear me), keep me safe and deliver me (from all evil)!
Three one god, the trinity being a theme in the oldest text we have deciphered so far. The trinity is another theme which draws itself across a lot of culture, from sumer to egypt, to the Nordics and of course christianity written in the Vinca Runes, found in Bulgaria (Balkans)
https://www.behindthename.com/name/adam
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[ - ] PhantomXLII 2 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 12:24:02 ago (+2/-0)
Holy shit.
Well that does it, I'm of the belief that it's true. This is some compelling evidence, with a few other things I've seen.
It's decided. The Reich was the last Christian state, though it won't be the final.
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Firstly, that's not genetic evidence. Secondly, it doesn't really count as historical evidence either. There's precious little evidence the romans knew or cared about anyone called jesus christ until a century plus after his death. Even then only in the context of recording "btw there's this new cult and this is what they believe."
Claiming that the emperor himself was interested enough to commission a painting of some random jewish outlaw, then no one ever mentioned him again for a hundred years is not credible.
What's probable is that it's yet another 19th century fake sold to gullible collectors.
That passage doesn't say red hair, just that he was red and covered in hair. Crying babies are often red when they are born.
As for pale skin... it's a relative term. Just because someone's whiter than the sandnigs around them doesn't make them a nord. Taking it literally and trying to apply a modern ethnographic term is a huge stretch.
Just one problem, the theory that whites originated in anatolia has not stood the test of time. All linguistic and genetic evidence suggests we evolved around the Ukraine, and if you want to go further back we came from northern central asia.
We got blue eyes from interbreeding with the WHG/AFF europeans. The majority of our ancestry comes from corded ware/yamnaya steppe herders.
Irrelevant. Writing systems were routinely swapped around in the bronze age, they don't indicated national origin. The actual language of the europeans is unrelated the the language of the hebrews. There is no good explanation for this if the hebrews were actually white.
The jews didn't originate the flood myth, they stole it from the sumerians, who also aren't white. The fact that they cobbled their religion together from various white and nonwhite sources does not prove they were white.
The Tahrim basin mummies yes, also burials in Shandong. That has nothing to do with jews though.
Trinitarianism is a very european concept yes. The early christians (mostly hellenised jews) drew heavily on native european beliefs (particularly neoplantonism) to create their religion.
This still doesn't prove jews are white.
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I've posted it here on Voat a few times.
The first few points are a little weak as I recall but by the time you get to 15- 20 , I was already convinced.
By 50 !! Then. By the end, you want every White European to see it. 💪🏻💪🏻
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Https://files.catbox.moe/gj93i5.mp4
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9
What it says is that there was a unique population in the levant during the copper age (long before jewish history starts) and they're unrelated to previous or later populations.
This isn't really relevant to anything.
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The Pauline Epistles nearly missed being included in the early Bible canon. The Book of Revelations is constantly accepted and rejected.
Evangelising simply means telling the story of either Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, One either accepts God and the way or they reject it. Everything else is personal as to which tin pot dictator with or without a Bible you want to follow instead of God.
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See that "[12]" that you were to fucking lazy to clip out? That's a wiki source tag for a citation to guy named James D.G. Dunn.
This was an effort by jews in the UK to make jews less culpable for the death of Christ and the betrayal of God's law.
New Perspective on Paul
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Perspective_on_Paul
These faggots wanted you to believe that having Christ killed didn't rob them of their place as "God's Chosen" and that Paul wasn't asking jews to reject judaism for the Satanisc worship that it had become.
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"If monism is real, why do the current powers seem to be pushing it?"
"Whats the deal with the Bible being about kikes but Whites taking it up?"
"if God real why bad thing happen?"
I feel like I'm never gonna really settle on an answer and kind of always drift around.
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Er... both in the OT and NT jews are pretty consistantly depicted jewing about as hard as they do today. They put a nice spin on it because they're the ones writing the book but their behaviour is pretty consistant.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 20:50:21 ago (+0/-0)
Stop with the retarded hair splitting and semantic arguments.
The hebrews were a historically homogenous population. They shared the same language, genetics, religion and were typically part of a unified country. The fact that they were occasionally split into the judeans and israelites (but then reunited) makes no odds, they were still the same people.
The modern word for those people are "jews". You can bitch and whine that that word originally referred to the judeans specifically but what you call them doesn't change what they are. They are the people of the old testament and the new testament. They are the founders of the religions of judaism and christianity. They are also very likely the founders of islam.
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And yes, when people use the word "jew" they are talking about the modern descendants of the hebrews. The people who wrote the old testament are the same people running the banks, trooning the kids and grabbing any land they can get their hands on.
There are no "modern jews" or "talmudic jews" there are only "jews". The sooner you accept this the better for everyone yourself included.
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In biblical Israel, it was all the land between the Nile and Euphrates, which included Aryian people, Syrian people, Arabs, Persians and filthy fucking jews, and only a small minded moron would lump all these people together to come up with "joos".
You're a fucking idiot.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2023 10:39:27 ago (+0/-0)
That's nice, fortunately no one did.
What I did do was lump together the jews and the rest of the israelites, because they're the same people and their descendants are the banker clan we all know and love today.
Eat shit jewcuck
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[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 yearsApr 11, 2023 10:42:09 ago (+0/-0)
That's exactly right. This is what you did do. And in doing so proved to anyone reading that you're a fucking idiot.
To suggest Aryians, Arabs, Persians, Syrians, Jordanians, Palestinians, and jews are all the same is pure fuck-headery, little different than the "we are all one race" feminists shit-minds.
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[ - ] Razzoriel 3 points 2 yearsApr 10, 2023 13:20:24 ago (+3/-0)
There was a reason that his Letters were chosen to be on the Bible. I tend to believe it is because even the most ardent anti-Christian pharisee can convert and become holy. And that is why.
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Nietzsche also viewed Paul essentially as a Jewish conspirator that subverted the noble and aristocratic values of Aryans. This is for those that describe Nietzsche as a 'Jew lover'.
But I dunno. When I was a Gnostic I had more time for such stuff. Some forms of Gnosticism or adjacent currents tried to purge Jewish influence altogether. Marcion even rejected the Old Testament. And Rosenberg was a sort of modern Gnostic.
You should probably read The Myth of the Twentieth Century. That's the best I can do right now.
Edit: 2 downvotes in 49 seconds or less by the way. Not TOO obvious.
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That said, researching some topics that make life even possible to live as a Christian today has led me to the conclusion that there is one glaring error in Church doctrine almost universally since the error itself predates the split of the Catholic church.
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Essentially the enforced monogamy within the church does more harm than good. While it is true that men were created in the image of God and men and women created he them, there is no strict prohibition on men having more than one wife. Unless you want to be a deacon. Even then it may be a translation error as "husband of one wife" could just be "husband of the first wife," essentially making the condition of the position having never been divorced.
Every instance of old testament law or prophet excoriation used against polygyny is more accurately applied against divorce.
Today this sort of thing spells disaster for women. Can you find a virgin wife? No. Can any man in the west? Women have it in their heads that adultery can go both ways, when in actuality it is a matter of adulteresses and adulterators. Men can adulterate, but women are adulterated.
I did not come to this conclusion lightly. The book Polygamia Triumphatrix outlines many arguments, both secular and scriptural, as to polygyny as a natural Christian position that was quashed by Rome or other agents. It includes a conspiracy that I have trouble with the translation of, but it seems like an ancient tranny cult around 900 to 1100 AD had some provocation towards removing the tendency of multi-marriage to diminish their numbers. "Neither male nor female" the thing was supposed to be. The other book is Thelyphthora a treatise on female ruin. Thankfully this one was written in English. It's three volumes, of which I have read the first through to the addendum. It raises arguments that are well put together. Included in the arguments is the notion that if Christian marriage really is meant to be plural and polygynous, as the parable of the groomsman the ten virgins are waiting for indicates, then considering the Godhead identifies Himself as a polygynous entity, our metaphorical understanding of Him may be itself adulterated as we have an inappropriate scaffolding upon which to shape it.
As far as errors go, if this is accurate, it's a pretty big one. Espousing it is sure to make one the subject of ridicule or accusations of selfishness. And I must admit I may only be so easily convinced of it out of my own selfish ends, although I have to say it is not the answer to the problem of mass loneliness and white childlessness I was hoping for. The rampant adulterous mess of the current "dating" scene that many so-called Christians are entangled in would need a harder rock to slay it than simply saying this. It may even make matters worse for the truly lonely unless implemented with honesty and earnestness, if there is even something to be implemented.
Consider the history of the split of the RC and Anglican church. The matter was made over divorce. If monogamous marriage was not the doctrine of the day, there would have been no issue. The king just takes an extra fertile bride or two. Consider the state of ugly women in the early feminist years. Men ignore them as the one woman they marry must tick as many boxes as possible. From these desperate lonely women we get the feminist movement's fertile ground. If they could have been joined to practical unions for purposes other than beauty, then we may not see the disaster we are currently living through.
This retrospective is hypothetical. It's impossible to honestly examine the fruits of something that hasn't happened. There may well be gross consequences of it I cannot predict as a mass application of something this contrary to today has no example. I encourage you to read the books provided, particularly Thelyphthora as it is actually readable.
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no basis on scripture, whats more ....
this peter talking about paul. people that spout this nonsense are either malicious or stupid
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Christianity, by definition, was kiked from the beginning.
The question here is, how much grifting did (((Saul))) accomplish to make his particular cult of Jewish Apocalypticism palatable to his target audience, who were gentile slaves of the Roman Empire?
"Universal Love" is a Christian value because a slave can not disassociate with the 20 other slaves with 20 different ethnicities he's forced to sleep with in a shed.
A "good" slave gets along with his fellow slaves, and perhaps is given authority to spread "christian" values among his slave peers.
Meanwhile a "bad" slave, causes contention among his peers, and is punished by the master.
Thus, the "good" slave values propagate among slaves, and the "bad" slave values are weeded out. Leaving only Christian slaves.
(((Saul's))) plan was effective because he was essentially HR for the Roman owned slaves.
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White aren't Heebz. Yahweh is a Heeb god for Heebz. Whites had their own gods.
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And what is it that you post? How Paul, a jew, was secretly undermining Christianity. However, the Bible makes it clear that Paul tried to get the jew fucks to stop worshipping Satan and return to obeying God's law.
The "New Perspective on Paul" is a faggot filled dick of an attempt to keep idiots believing that jews are God's Chosen and are allowed to worship Satan but still receive salvation for being nothing more than a filthy fucking heeb.
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Yeah, whatever. Europeans were not Heebz. Get out of the Hebrew matrix.
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I've also heard some theories that yawhe is a demon, the moses story is fake, serpent staff is a "tell" that moses is evil... What do you think about that? The first 3 videos in this playlist are about this topic https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKRNOwEa_cDCLFyvYKNsSHi-R-z7LJyzC
In that comment thread you talk about others being ignorant. Where can I look into these subjects, then?
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It's laughably stupid.
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Sorry. Rabbi child dick sucker, no matter how infiltrated the church becomes the scriptures are clear.
Paul asked the jews to reject judaism and return to obedience of God's law and to accept the son of God, Christ. He told them that they were not God's chosen and that their self assurity of salvation was misplaced. You faggots burn in hell along with every other pagan, heathen, and atheist.
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Paul told the jews to leave Satanism behind and to return to the one true God. Its well documented. The jews rejected Paul and will suffer eternal hell for their choice.
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