Funny how most of these deities depicted in here stem from an Aryan ancestry that ultimately were different flavors of the same fundamental concepts, and despite this... no Thor?
There's more than a million in Hinduism alone. There's not a single dot headed street shitter that knows the name of all the gods in their pantheon. That's fuckin wild.
There's only one God that claims to be the creator of all creation and that there are no other gods before him.
And that God has spoken to man and given us his Word and offered to give men the gift of everlasting life, partaking in His nature.
And that God is THE God of power, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible, and his son, the Word, the truth the way and the life, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Spoken by someone who doesn't accept more than 1/4 of the New Testament.
I believe God's word to be infallible, written by Holy men as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance. Not merely some book written by somebody you disagree with.
I believe God. I believe his Word, and I believe what his Word says.
This is the fundamental difference between you and I. I am not a better person than you; only God has deemed me 'righteous' because I have chosen to believe in Him.
the original Christians for about thirty years and then Paul hunted them all down and murdered them including the brother of Jesus and then has the balls to say Jesus made him an apostle posthumously now that he has MURDERED EVERBODY THAT COULD SAY OTHERWISE.
Yeah but what about the illiterate masses and those that live their entire life without having ever been proselytized to? Millions if not billions will never hear the message of the Christ. Probably trillions since the crucifixion. How do they get to heaven? Is your God so fickle as to cast the ignorant and uneducated into the pits of hell? How do you play the game if you can't read the instructions?
My answer would be; Every man has been given an amount of light. What they have done with that light is what determines how they will be judged.
Romans 2:12-15 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
I don't pretend to know it all, that's God's job. But his word does tell us things, that if we believe, are great to make one wise.
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Taking advantage of Christian ease and security while destroying it isn't one of the brightest moves. But yeah, mass starvation and rape culture is what you want, and it will reach China, and Israel, and islam will be starved to death. Generations will make certain of it.
There is no point in arguing this stuff here, even if I did link you 20 examples of religions with saviors it still wouldn't change your mind. Human psychology is a bitch like that. Instead let's all agree that the jew is the enemy and once that's dealt with then we can rumble about who believes what.
Well I'm all for learning, so just to be clear you are saying there are other gods that cover my sins and paid for them? Without me doing anything to earn it? By all means send me the links please.
I will not argue I am genuinely intrigued by this...
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Messianism is the belief in the advent of a messiah who acts as the savior of a group of people.[1][2] Messianism originated as a Zoroastrianism religious belief and followed to Abrahamic religions,[3] but other religions have messianism-related concepts. Religions with a messiah concept include Judaism (Mashiach), Christianity (Christ), Islam (Isa Masih), Druze faith (Jesus and Hamza ibn Ali),[4][5] Zoroastrianism (Saoshyant), Buddhism (Maitreya), Taoism (Li Hong), and Bábism (He whom God shall make manifest).
These guys also got crucified for being saviors too.
Thulis of Egypt, 1700 B.C. Krishna of India, 1200 B.C. Crite of Chaldea, 1200 B.C.[5][6] Atys of Phrygia, 1170 B.C. Thammuz or Tammuz of Syria, 1160 B.C. Hesus or Eros 834 B.C. Bali of Orissa, 725 B.C.[7] Indra of Thibet (Tibet), 725 B.C. Iao of Nepaul (Nepal), 622 B.C.[8][9] Buddha Sakia (Muni) of India, 600 B.C.[10] Mitra (Mithra) of Persia, 600 B.C. Alcestos of Euripides, 600 B.C. Quezalcoatl of Mexico, 587 B.C. Wittoba of the Bilingonese, 552 B.C.[11] Prometheus or Æschylus of Caucasus, 547 B.C. Quirinus of Rome, 506 B.C.
And here is a list of other holy figures who took the form of men and then ascended into heaven without the crucifiction part, including:
Salivahana of Bermuda Zulis or Zhule of Egypt Osiris of Egypt Oru of Egypt Odin of the Scandinavians Zoroaster of Persia Baal of Phoenicia Taut, "the only Begotten of God" of Phoenicia, inventor of letters[13] Bali of Afghanistan Xamolxis (Zalmoxis) of Thrace Zoar of the Bonzes Adad of Assyria Deva Tat of Siam (Thailand) Sammonocadam (Sommona-Codom) of Siam (Thailand) Alcides of Thebes Mikado of the Sintoos Beddru of Japan Bremrillah of the Druids Thor son of Odin of the Gauls/Norse Cadmus of Greece Hil/Feta of the Mandaites Gentaut of Mexico Universal Monarch of the Sibyls Ischy of Formosa (Taiwan) Divine Teacher of Plato Holy One of Xaca (Fohi) of China Tien of China Adonis son of the virgin Io of Greece Ixion of Rome Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia
I have Zero expectation of any of this mattering to you or anyone really. Unless they are raised on it why would anyone believe any of this when anyone can claim divine powers or mandate. But still, Jesus is not some singular thing, many others have the same stories ascribed to them, both before (like Horus) and after like (Satusani Sibobta).
You were raised in a society that primarily believes in Christianity, so you too believe it, just like those who are raised in muslim societies believe overwhelmingly in Mohamad, and people raised in India believe in Buddha. Repeat this forty more times in various places around the world and you start to get the picture. All of them believe just as strongly in their guy as you do in yours. You have a book that says yours is right, so do they.
I don't blame you for believing what you were raised on, that's normal psychological behavior, but once you see how many other religions are out there RIGHT NOW and how many came both before and after Christianity... it rather dissolves any notion of Christianity being special. Eh, Let me rephrase that, since I understand how stubborn human psychology can be, Christianity being special to anyone but you.
Look at that I said we shouldn't fight about religion while the jew still lives and here I am breaking my own rule. I've said enough.
Thank you for replying and I do appreciate the effort and content.
I understand that the Messianism concept has a show in many religions, I just have not come across any that actually pay for my sins, right now, they may impart a form of enlightenment that can lead to a better life later but their link to being savior as what Christ is, is really not the same, sorry.
I don't care about having to be right in your eyes, your path is your path. I enjoy our interactions and just being able to talk without having the need to devour each other with our ego, is wonderful!
But just to add to why I said what I said that Christ in Christianity is not the same as the loosely linked groups of Wikipedia and there future messianic/savior concepts. I serve a Savior that has saved me already. I just need to walk the walk now as I grow in that reality.
In Zoroastrian for example it's a savior link to the belief that at the end of time a savior (meaning "one who brings benefit") would come and this is their link to the messianic/savior concept.
Lol, according to Islamic tradition, having ascended to heaven and dwelled there for 2000+ years, Jesus will descend to earth shortly before Judgement Day, in the midst of wars fought against the 'The False Messiah" and his followers, to come to the aid of the Mahdi and his Muslim followers. Dressed in saffron robes with his head anointed, Jesus will descend at the point of a white minaret, in eastern Damascus, which is believed to be the Minaret of Isa in the Umayyad Mosque.He will then greet the Mahdi and (being a Muslim) pray beside him. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Dajjal at Lod.
Once again future event and now a Muslim Jesus, just lol.
In Buddhism once again a future Buddha of this world will save the day. Funny they chose their first one around the same time as the birth of Christ as they felt the shift in the cosmos but they had no idea where it was coming from.
Most of these religions refer to future savior events, I am saved right now. That is huge difference.
I would give you more examples but I am on my phone. It's silly business that.
Anyway nice talking, reminded me of old voat when we could actually do things like this.
Thanks for making an exception to your rule. You have good discernment it seems. :)
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Scientism for starters
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And that God has spoken to man and given us his Word and offered to give men the gift of everlasting life, partaking in His nature.
And that God is THE God of power, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible, and his son, the Word, the truth the way and the life, our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I believe God's word to be infallible, written by Holy men as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance. Not merely some book written by somebody you disagree with.
I believe God. I believe his Word, and I believe what his Word says.
This is the fundamental difference between you and I. I am not a better person than you; only God has deemed me 'righteous' because I have chosen to believe in Him.
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Beyond that, why would I take any stock in your take on the subject? You don't believe. Kinda the end of the conversation, man.
Look, I'm not going to convince you by throwing around ad hominems every other line, I doubt you're going to do the same.
The brass tax is we chose to believe something different from each other. That's it. I choose to believe God. You choose to believe man.
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Make this a post!
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How do you play the game if you can't read the instructions?
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Romans 2:12-15
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
I don't pretend to know it all, that's God's job.
But his word does tell us things, that if we believe, are great to make one wise.
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I will not argue I am genuinely intrigued by this...
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These guys also got crucified for being saviors too.
Thulis of Egypt, 1700 B.C.
Krishna of India, 1200 B.C.
Crite of Chaldea, 1200 B.C.[5][6]
Atys of Phrygia, 1170 B.C.
Thammuz or Tammuz of Syria, 1160 B.C.
Hesus or Eros 834 B.C.
Bali of Orissa, 725 B.C.[7]
Indra of Thibet (Tibet), 725 B.C.
Iao of Nepaul (Nepal), 622 B.C.[8][9]
Buddha Sakia (Muni) of India, 600 B.C.[10]
Mitra (Mithra) of Persia, 600 B.C.
Alcestos of Euripides, 600 B.C.
Quezalcoatl of Mexico, 587 B.C.
Wittoba of the Bilingonese, 552 B.C.[11]
Prometheus or Æschylus of Caucasus, 547 B.C.
Quirinus of Rome, 506 B.C.
And here is a list of other holy figures who took the form of men and then ascended into heaven without the crucifiction part, including:
Salivahana of Bermuda
Zulis or Zhule of Egypt
Osiris of Egypt
Oru of Egypt
Odin of the Scandinavians
Zoroaster of Persia
Baal of Phoenicia
Taut, "the only Begotten of God" of Phoenicia, inventor of letters[13]
Bali of Afghanistan
Xamolxis (Zalmoxis) of Thrace
Zoar of the Bonzes
Adad of Assyria
Deva Tat of Siam (Thailand)
Sammonocadam (Sommona-Codom) of Siam (Thailand)
Alcides of Thebes
Mikado of the Sintoos
Beddru of Japan
Bremrillah of the Druids
Thor son of Odin of the Gauls/Norse
Cadmus of Greece
Hil/Feta of the Mandaites
Gentaut of Mexico
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Ischy of Formosa (Taiwan)
Divine Teacher of Plato
Holy One of Xaca
(Fohi) of China
Tien of China
Adonis son of the virgin Io of Greece
Ixion of Rome
Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia
I have Zero expectation of any of this mattering to you or anyone really. Unless they are raised on it why would anyone believe any of this when anyone can claim divine powers or mandate. But still, Jesus is not some singular thing, many others have the same stories ascribed to them, both before (like Horus) and after like (Satusani Sibobta).
You were raised in a society that primarily believes in Christianity, so you too believe it, just like those who are raised in muslim societies believe overwhelmingly in Mohamad, and people raised in India believe in Buddha. Repeat this forty more times in various places around the world and you start to get the picture. All of them believe just as strongly in their guy as you do in yours. You have a book that says yours is right, so do they.
I don't blame you for believing what you were raised on, that's normal psychological behavior, but once you see how many other religions are out there RIGHT NOW and how many came both before and after Christianity... it rather dissolves any notion of Christianity being special. Eh, Let me rephrase that, since I understand how stubborn human psychology can be, Christianity being special to anyone but you.
Look at that I said we shouldn't fight about religion while the jew still lives and here I am breaking my own rule. I've said enough.
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I understand that the Messianism concept has a show in many religions, I just have not come across any that actually pay for my sins, right now, they may impart a form of enlightenment that can lead to a better life later but their link to being savior as what Christ is, is really not the same, sorry.
I don't care about having to be right in your eyes, your path is your path. I enjoy our interactions and just being able to talk without having the need to devour each other with our ego, is wonderful!
But just to add to why I said what I said that Christ in Christianity is not the same as the loosely linked groups of Wikipedia and there future messianic/savior concepts. I serve a Savior that has saved me already. I just need to walk the walk now as I grow in that reality.
In Zoroastrian for example it's a savior link to the belief that at the end of time a savior (meaning "one who brings benefit") would come and this is their link to the messianic/savior concept.
Lol, according to Islamic tradition, having ascended to heaven and dwelled there for 2000+ years, Jesus will descend to earth shortly before Judgement Day, in the midst of wars fought against the 'The False Messiah" and his followers, to come to the aid of the Mahdi and his Muslim followers. Dressed in saffron robes with his head anointed, Jesus will descend at the point of a white minaret, in eastern Damascus, which is believed to be the Minaret of Isa in the Umayyad Mosque.He will then greet the Mahdi and (being a Muslim) pray beside him. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Dajjal at Lod.
Once again future event and now a Muslim Jesus, just lol.
In Buddhism once again a future Buddha of this world will save the day. Funny they chose their first one around the same time as the birth of Christ as they felt the shift in the cosmos but they had no idea where it was coming from.
Most of these religions refer to future savior events, I am saved right now. That is huge difference.
I would give you more examples but I am on my phone. It's silly business that.
Anyway nice talking, reminded me of old voat when we could actually do things like this.
Thanks for making an exception to your rule. You have good discernment it seems. :)
Have a good evening!
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