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Food stockpile update

submitted by totes_magotes to preppers 1.6 yearsOct 2, 2022 21:29:59 ago (+23/-0)     (preppers)

So, I'm getting ready to make a bunch of compact/portable meal kits for the truck and car and just camping in general. It had been on my To Do list for a while now to review and assess the condition of the freeze dried foods that I had squirreled away just to make sure that they were usable if it ever came down to it.

I had some freeze drying failures which, looking at what failed, seems like it was a malfunction in the freeze dryer (as found by the manufacturer this past summer). I figure this is the case because certain entire batches were "mushy". I lost 3 quarts of green peppers, two quarts of tomatoes, two quarts of mushrooms. Those were in super fucking thick mylar bags and careful inspection did not reveal any failure in the bagging materials.

I did lose a single 5-pack of biscuits due to vacuum seal failure. I opened them to check and they were still dry as a bone but... yellowish. I figured it was a sign that oxidation caused oils in the biscuits to go rancid and taste-test confirmed (that was nasty, by the way, don't eat shit with rancid oils/fats).

I have concerns about pork sausage but I figured that was a possible failure when I started since sausage tends to be a high fat food anyway. I haven't opened the bag yet but the sausage patties are flexible and they should not be. It's possible that it's just that the fat is keeping it flexible and has not gone rancid since it still has a tight vacuum seal. I'll know when I open it tomorrow and taste a crumb. Unfortunately, there's not much of a way to test that otherwise and I'm still concerned about botulism (food poisoning) since it thrives without oxygen and you can't taste it. My plan it to taste a crumb and if it doesn't seem off to test a half or quarter patty and see if I have any ill effects. I'll update if I do.

But other than that, all the other foods seemed to have lasted 2+ years so far. I opened several other bags I was concerned about. Specifically refried beans and ground beef because they seemed "mushy" in the bags but they're fine. All dried and crunchy when removed so they were resealed and put back in rotation.

I did open a bag that had pizza that I freeze dried 2 years ago. The cheese has gone a little yellow but it's otherwise fine and tasty. I had wondered if I needed to rehydrate it but it's pretty damned good as is so I plan to get a few more to freeze dry for meal kits.

As for the eggs (since I had posted about that earlier), I still have around 12 dozen stockpiled. They are well oiled and I'm keeping an eye on them. So far no problems.

Once I replace the spoiled foods, I'll start making my kits.

On a further note, meat loaf freeze dries very well and is pretty damned tasty. The freeze drying process seems to intensify the flavor.

Once I have all the food bits in place, I will make full "MRE" kits ideal for long term storage and ready to use should I need them in any event.

I'll keep ya updated.


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[ - ] Thatguy 5 points 1.6 yearsOct 2, 2022 21:44:45 ago (+5/-0)

I plan to stay in place. Dug up the grass in my backyard. I’m planting potatoes, onions, garlic and some spices. I don’t need them, I’m just practicing. I have no idea how to garden. I discovered squirrels in my yard for the first time after I planted potatoes. That’s new. I’m glad I learned I have a problem before I need these potatoes. I’ll solve it and continue growing.

[ - ] 2Drunk 5 points 1.6 yearsOct 2, 2022 22:10:42 ago (+5/-0)

Potatoes, garlic, onion, and squirrel? IDK, kinda sounds like a healthy stew!

[ - ] WhiteCollarCriminal 2 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 01:08:13 ago (+2/-0)

I wanted to plant some potatoes so any updates would be appreciated!

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 1.6 yearsOct 2, 2022 22:00:44 ago (+1/-0)

That's good though. It's important to cultivate that skill.

Somehow I have a hawk that guards my garden and keeps the squirrels and rabbits away.

[ - ] Nozyedys 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 02:26:59 ago (+1/-1)

Put in some raised beds if you can, it'll make everything much easier.

[ - ] Gowithit 3 points 1.6 yearsOct 2, 2022 21:40:06 ago (+3/-0)

Sounds like a good stockpile so far.

The meal kits sound like a good idea.

Everytime I see a my patriot ad I think what a waste but then I think " oh it's already done for me" and then I go to buy it and realize it's literally the same shit in the cabinets.

I'm just sticking with stocking raw materials.

I have little faith in electricity running when it hits.

I have a room in the basement perfect for storing canned food but I am so afraid pressure canning.

I know " just try it" but ... I'm going to try the sausage thing though. I saw a video awhile ago and it looks insanely easy. Way easier than I would have thought previously.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 2 points 1.6 yearsOct 2, 2022 22:03:00 ago (+2/-0)

You can can meats easily. The thing about canning is that if it's not an acidic enough food, you need to do pressure canning. In any case, canning your own food lasts maybe a year in your basement or pantry. It lasts a lot longer in the fridge though. I just popped open a jar of cinnamon-apple jelly I made 3 years ago. It's just fine and as amazing as I remember it.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:27:42 ago (+0/-0)

Home canning of food that will not be reheated is extremely dangerous for novices.

Reheating destroys the botulism toxin.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:34:59 ago (+0/-0)

"pressure canning"

Isn't all canning done in a cat of boiling water and sealed with sterilized tops to creat a vacuum in the jar when it cools? And if the jar button doesn't pop up you know the seal is intact and safe?

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 1 point 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:55:46 ago (+1/-0)

no, that is normal canning. pressure canning uses a canner that is like a pressure cooker:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pressure+canner&crid=1XJ1RKTEAM5NU&sprefix=pressure+canner%2Caps%2C327&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 18:15:41 ago (+0/-0)

Not all of them. The most basic form is heated food, sterilized jars, and boiled lids. In fact, when you can butter, you don't do a water bath... you pour it in, seal it up, shake every 5 to 15 minutes until it solidifies.

[ - ] Nozyedys 2 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 02:25:57 ago (+2/-0)

What freeze drier do you have? I was looking a while ago but could only find industrial stuff.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 2 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 07:00:39 ago (+2/-0)

Harvest Right is the only company that makes freeze dryers for consumer use worth looking at. They're incredibly expensive starting at around $2000 but the company will give you all kinds of support. I've had mine for something like 4 years now and they still give me support whenever I need. They started out of one of the owners' garage when they realized that they had made something that they could sell to people and is the exact kind of business we should be supporting.

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[ - ] Nozyedys 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 19:05:40 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks for the info, will look it up now!

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[ - ] PotatoWhisperer 1 point 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 03:28:48 ago (+1/-0)

Write down your experiments. Share with us from time to time what works and what doesn't. Very interesting stuff. I've mostly done with canned goods and carb-heavy easy-store stuff.

So far I'm down with meat-heavy canned goods and food-grade buckets I've thoroughly cleaned and sealed up with oats/beans/rice/etc along with desiccant packs. And plenty of moral-boosting foodstuffs, like hotsauce and the like.

Do not underestimate the sheer amount of calories you may need in a SHTF scenario. You can, and likely will, need upwards of 10,000+ calories a day, depending on war conditions.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 07:07:57 ago (+0/-0)

Absolutely! I'll keep updating you guys as I do things.

The higher the fat and sugar content, the less suitable it is for freeze drying. Fatter cuts of meat won't work well. Bacon, hot dogs don't work at all. Sausage is a no-go but I ran a batch anyway to see how well it would work.

A lot of things like rice and oats and beans that require prep and cooking can be cooked beforehand and then freeze dried for instant consumption later. For example, I have what I call "Breakfast in a cup" which is a mix of gravy, sausage, eggs, biscuits, cheese, grits. It's pretty much your Waffle House full breakfast order mixed together and then freeze dried. Just throw some water at it, stir a little, wait a couple of minutes and eat. It tastes a little cardboard-like but it's absolutely passable on busy mornings or in SHTF. It's powdery, sure, so it compacts in vacuum sealed bags well. And of course anything freeze dried weighs practically nothing so it's great for throwing in your bug out bag or even a "I'm Never Coming Home" bag for your initial rations.

I've tried freeze drying store bought TV dinners and some of them work, some of them don't. The salisbury steak meals don't work at well as I would like (takes two cycles, flipping midway) but the chicken nuggets and spaghetti meals do very well. Of course that's a lot of salt and other crap but it comes in a tray and is already high calorie.

I've also freeze dried apple pie before. It doesn't rehydrate very well at all but when crumbled makes an excellent "candy".

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:29:32 ago (+0/-0)

Rember fat doesn't go bad.

Lard keeps forever at room temperature. (Look where it is sold in the grocery store...with bottled oils not in the frig.
So does salted butter.

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 16:37:17 ago (+0/-0)

I have what I call "Breakfast in a cup"

Sounds like a modern day pemmican.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:32:27 ago (+0/-0)

You preserve meat but drying meat separately from the fat after shredding the meat into tiny dryable prices then pouring the hot fat back over it in a container. You just made pemiccan. Lasts 39 years with refrigeration. American Indians and settlers carried it in leather poaches around their necks to eat while traveling for months in American wilderness.

Be wary of adding thing like berries and other suggestions. Those items can spoil on their own.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 18:11:51 ago (+0/-0)

Properly sealed, freeze dried food lasts 25+ years just on the shelf. And it's lighter than pemmican. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad pemmican recipes on the internet that will give you serious food poisoning.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:25:51 ago (+0/-0)

You can grow things in Styrofoam coolers.

It extends growing season and with a small heating element at the bottom can extend it a huge amount.

Remember the hotter the soul the faster the produce grows within root limits.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 18:13:19 ago (+0/-0)

Good to know!

[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2022 09:23:17 ago (+0/-0)

Remember the botulism poison is deactivated by cooking.

So as long as you cool it even if it was bad in the bag the poison itself is deactivated.

Botulism cat grow in an y conditions either so really read up about it.

The worst is bad cans with not acidic none salted foods but even then if you heat it hit enough for long enough the poison itself is deactivated.