There is no confirmation that any of the covid vaccines or boosters are responsible. According to her GoFundMe page, she had a reaction to a prescription medicine and has Steven Johnson's Syndrome.
We predicted this would happen before the issues became a reality. Hence why most people here are not vaccinated. You make it sound like we are placing blame in hindsight, which is not true.
I see your point, but you need to learn the difference between a posteriori claims and a priori claims. Prior to the widespread distribution of the vaccine, people made a priori claims about what the effects would be. You make it sound as if people with a negative disposition toward the Covid vaccine began cherry-picking this evidence after the fact, looking for something to confirm their bias.
The people who were skeptical were predicting these outcomes. There's a difference. Granted, idiots are likely to over-extend themselves here. No, a 400-lb person dropping dead from a heart attack shouldn't cause suspicion of the vaccine, at least on a first gloss.
But in her case, there's a systemic immune response happening which can be triggered by drugs and/or infections. Claims made prior to the vaccine launch make it perfectly reasonable to suspect this, especially since we don't have an identification of the supposed drug that triggered the response.
This is also possible to take as evidence precisely because of the dramatic rise in other immune conditions and cardiovascular conditions happening in young people.
Maybe it is a bit irresponsible of the OP to state this was vaccine related without issuing any kind of caveat (letting us know there is some doubt that the vaccine was a direct cause).
The problem is that we suspected the medical and political community weren't being honest with regards to covid infections and deaths precisely because they said everyone was dying of covid.
Eg; `Motorcycle accident death? Covid.` `Death by gunshot? Covid. ` `90 year old cancer patient dying in his sleep? Covid.` `40 year old 400lb diabetic dying of a heart attack? Covid.`
What this did for those skeptical of the dangers of covid was to confirm our bias, and made us less concerned about covid. Doing the opposite, and saying everything is vaccine related when it isn't, will make those skeptical of the dangers of the vaccine less concerned about the vaccines. Provide enough false examples and we become a laughing stock while the vaccine uptake continues to rise.
Remember, we don't have a multi-billion dollar media industry to defend us when we make mistakes. No, it's quite the opposite; they will make a laughing stock of vaccine skeptics, especially if we overextend.
We have enough examples of provable vaccine injuries that we shouldn't assume every new ailment is vaccine related without some evidence that a vaccine/booster has been administered.
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 09:38:44 ago (+1/-0)
I agree with this. So I guess the particular point I was defending was something like: it was not unreasonable to suspect vaccine-relatedness in this case of a young person with Stevens-Johnson syndrome. To your point, it is unwise if we state our suspicions like they are matters of fact. Your point wasn't so much that it is impossible or unlikely for our suspicion to be true, but that we need to be cautious/responsible about how we handle the public image of our theory. That seems right to me.
I think this also changes based on the symptomology. There hasn't been an established connection (at least not a very public one) between this particular syndrome and the Covid vaccine. By contrast, cases of myocarditis do have that kind of public-facing association now. So it would be different to 'jump' to a conclusion more quickly if the girl had myocarditis, versus Stevens-Johnson.
We shouldn't be trying to expand the circle of known diseases with connections to the Covid vaccine without very good reason, since the more we 'inflate our balloon' the higher in the sky it gets, and the less likely people are to be convinced by it - ala, more extraordinary claims require more extraordinary evidence.
That is 100% what she has. I've known someone that had that before as a result of taking antibiotics. It is a rare reaction but that is definitely what she has. It causes blisters all over your body.
Have they searched VAERS for Stephen Johnsons Syndrome?
I just did.
150 results from doctors who took time to report it and from those who identified it as Steven Johnsons. Certainly more if using a more broad search by symptoms instead of the (narrow) diagnosis.
Example:
VAERS ID: 1071127 (history) Form: Version 2.0 Age: Sex: Unknown Location: Kentucky Vaccinated: 2021-01-28 Onset: 2021-02-04 Days after vaccination: 7 Submitted: 0000-00-00 Entered: 2021-03-04 Vaccination / Manufacturer Lot / Dose Site / Route COVID19: COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA)) / MODERNA - / 1 - / -
Administered by: Unknown Purchased by: ? Symptoms: Oral herpes, Psoriasis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome SMQs:, Severe cutaneous adverse reactions (narrow), Oropharyngeal infections (narrow), Oropharyngeal conditions (excl neoplasms, infections and allergies) (narrow), Hypersensitivity (narrow), Drug reaction with eosinophilia and systemic symptoms syndrome (broad), Opportunistic infections (broad), Immune-mediated/autoimmune disorders (narrow)
Life Threatening? No Birth Defect? No Died? No Permanent Disability? No Recovered? No Office Visit? No ER Visit? No ER or Doctor Visit? No Hospitalized? No Previous Vaccinations: Other Medications: COSENTYX Current Illness: Psoriasis Preexisting Conditions: Allergies: Diagnostic Lab Data: CDC Split Type: USMODERNATX, INC.MOD20210
Write-up: Stevens Johnson syndrome; 1 blister on lip looks like outbreak of herpes; horrible outbreak of psoriasis; A spontaneous report was received from a healthcare professional concerning a 73-year-old patient who received Moderna''s COVID-19 vaccine (mRNA-1273) and experienced steven-johnson syndrome, oral herpes(blister on the lip which looks like an outbreak of herpes), psoriasis (bolus lesion on right arm, two bolus lesions on back, and legs). The patient''s medical history included bad psoriasis. Products known to have been used by the patient, within two weeks prior to the event, included secukinumab for psoriasis, which the patient took on 21 JAN 2021 as per the reporter. No other relevant concomitant medications was reported. On 28 Jan 2021, the patient received their first of two planned doses of mRNA-1273 for prophylaxis of COVID-19 infection. On 04-Feb-2021, it was reported that the patient had blister on the lip which looked like an outbreak of herpes. It was also reported that the patient had a bolus lesion on right arm, two bolus lesions on back, and legs, had a horrible outbreak of psoriasis. The physician mentioned that it appeared as Stevens Johnsons syndrome. Treatment included secukinumab for psoriasis. Action taken with mRNA-1273 was unknown. The outcome of the events, steven-johnson syndrome, oral herpes (blister on the lip which looks like an outbreak of herpes), psoriasis (bolus lesion on right arm, two bolus lesions on back, and legs), were unknown.; Reporter''s Comments: This case concerns a 73-year-old patient, who experienced Stevens-Johnson syndrome, oral herpes outbreak and outbreak of psoriasis. The patient''s medical history included bad psoriasis and patient is on cosentyx for psoriasis. Very limited information regarding this event/s has been provided at this time. Further information has been requested
I have no doubt SJS can be exascerbated by the vaccine, but we have nothing that proves this girl has been vaccinated, and SJS existed prior to the MRNA vaccines so it's not exclusive to the covid vaccinated.
There are enough provable cases of vaccine injuries that we don't need to assume every new illness is vaccine-related.
Yeah and Justin Bieber's lopsided face is due to genetics, definitely NOT THE VACCINE which caused the same thing to happen to other people. Nope. Just a coincidence, safe and effective.
I'm callously indifferent to the state of misery that this woman is in...willful ignorance or inculcated compliance?...either way her predicament is the result of widespread herd mentality, orders given orders followed.
I'm less interested in them covering this story which would be said to be "rare" and instead focused on the unending horror show that has been VAERS for over a year now. It's easily the biggest story.
More than Ukraine which NATO has no business being a part of and they aren't covering properly either, or the stolen election. Millions of people have died because of the pharmaceutical industry.
I am not at all for the vax, but that is Stevens-Johnson syndrome. It is a reaction to medication. It can happen as a reaction to all types of meds. I know someone who had this happen because of antibiotics. It seems very painful and just miserable all around.
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 16 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 15:59:42 ago (+16/-0)
This is sick.
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 6 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 01:36:44 ago (+6/-0)
[ + ] In_Cog_Nito
[ - ] In_Cog_Nito 11 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 16:56:22 ago (+11/-0)
https://www.gofundme.com/f/2bdab-emilys-hospital-stay
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 3 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 19:11:25 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] shitface9000
[ - ] shitface9000 [op] 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 18:15:40 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] In_Cog_Nito
[ - ] In_Cog_Nito 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 19:29:22 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] Nozyedys
[ - ] Nozyedys 14 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 19:41:43 ago (+14/-0)
False.
We predicted this would happen before the issues became a reality. Hence why most people here are not vaccinated. You make it sound like we are placing blame in hindsight, which is not true.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 7 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 00:14:19 ago (+7/-0)
The people who were skeptical were predicting these outcomes. There's a difference. Granted, idiots are likely to over-extend themselves here. No, a 400-lb person dropping dead from a heart attack shouldn't cause suspicion of the vaccine, at least on a first gloss.
But in her case, there's a systemic immune response happening which can be triggered by drugs and/or infections. Claims made prior to the vaccine launch make it perfectly reasonable to suspect this, especially since we don't have an identification of the supposed drug that triggered the response.
This is also possible to take as evidence precisely because of the dramatic rise in other immune conditions and cardiovascular conditions happening in young people.
Maybe it is a bit irresponsible of the OP to state this was vaccine related without issuing any kind of caveat (letting us know there is some doubt that the vaccine was a direct cause).
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 01:58:12 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 02:21:35 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 23:43:27 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] In_Cog_Nito
[ - ] In_Cog_Nito 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 08:10:52 ago (+1/-0)*
Eg;
`Motorcycle accident death? Covid.`
`Death by gunshot? Covid. `
`90 year old cancer patient dying in his sleep? Covid.`
`40 year old 400lb diabetic dying of a heart attack? Covid.`
What this did for those skeptical of the dangers of covid was to confirm our bias, and made us less concerned about covid. Doing the opposite, and saying everything is vaccine related when it isn't, will make those skeptical of the dangers of the vaccine less concerned about the vaccines. Provide enough false examples and we become a laughing stock while the vaccine uptake continues to rise.
Remember, we don't have a multi-billion dollar media industry to defend us when we make mistakes. No, it's quite the opposite; they will make a laughing stock of vaccine skeptics, especially if we overextend.
We have enough examples of provable vaccine injuries that we shouldn't assume every new ailment is vaccine related without some evidence that a vaccine/booster has been administered.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 09:38:44 ago (+1/-0)
I think this also changes based on the symptomology. There hasn't been an established connection (at least not a very public one) between this particular syndrome and the Covid vaccine. By contrast, cases of myocarditis do have that kind of public-facing association now. So it would be different to 'jump' to a conclusion more quickly if the girl had myocarditis, versus Stevens-Johnson.
We shouldn't be trying to expand the circle of known diseases with connections to the Covid vaccine without very good reason, since the more we 'inflate our balloon' the higher in the sky it gets, and the less likely people are to be convinced by it - ala, more extraordinary claims require more extraordinary evidence.
[ + ] Egg_whitey
[ - ] Egg_whitey 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 21:05:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] UrCoolerOlderBrother
[ - ] UrCoolerOlderBrother 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 22:33:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 22:21:15 ago (+1/-0)
I just did.
150 results from doctors who took time to report it and from those who identified it as Steven Johnsons. Certainly more if using a more broad search by symptoms instead of the (narrow) diagnosis.
Example:
VAERS ID: 1071127 (history)
Form: Version 2.0
Age:
Sex: Unknown
Location: Kentucky
Vaccinated: 2021-01-28
Onset: 2021-02-04
Days after vaccination: 7
Submitted: 0000-00-00
Entered: 2021-03-04
Vaccination / Manufacturer Lot / Dose Site / Route
COVID19: COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA)) / MODERNA - / 1 - / -
Administered by: Unknown Purchased by: ?
Symptoms: Oral herpes, Psoriasis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome
SMQs:, Severe cutaneous adverse reactions (narrow), Oropharyngeal infections (narrow), Oropharyngeal conditions (excl neoplasms, infections and allergies) (narrow), Hypersensitivity (narrow), Drug reaction with eosinophilia and systemic symptoms syndrome (broad), Opportunistic infections (broad), Immune-mediated/autoimmune disorders (narrow)
Life Threatening? No
Birth Defect? No
Died? No
Permanent Disability? No
Recovered? No
Office Visit? No
ER Visit? No
ER or Doctor Visit? No
Hospitalized? No
Previous Vaccinations:
Other Medications: COSENTYX
Current Illness: Psoriasis
Preexisting Conditions:
Allergies:
Diagnostic Lab Data:
CDC Split Type: USMODERNATX, INC.MOD20210
Write-up: Stevens Johnson syndrome; 1 blister on lip looks like outbreak of herpes; horrible outbreak of psoriasis; A spontaneous report was received from a healthcare professional concerning a 73-year-old patient who received Moderna''s COVID-19 vaccine (mRNA-1273) and experienced steven-johnson syndrome, oral herpes(blister on the lip which looks like an outbreak of herpes), psoriasis (bolus lesion on right arm, two bolus lesions on back, and legs). The patient''s medical history included bad psoriasis. Products known to have been used by the patient, within two weeks prior to the event, included secukinumab for psoriasis, which the patient took on 21 JAN 2021 as per the reporter. No other relevant concomitant medications was reported. On 28 Jan 2021, the patient received their first of two planned doses of mRNA-1273 for prophylaxis of COVID-19 infection. On 04-Feb-2021, it was reported that the patient had blister on the lip which looked like an outbreak of herpes. It was also reported that the patient had a bolus lesion on right arm, two bolus lesions on back, and legs, had a horrible outbreak of psoriasis. The physician mentioned that it appeared as Stevens Johnsons syndrome. Treatment included secukinumab for psoriasis. Action taken with mRNA-1273 was unknown. The outcome of the events, steven-johnson syndrome, oral herpes (blister on the lip which looks like an outbreak of herpes), psoriasis (bolus lesion on right arm, two bolus lesions on back, and legs), were unknown.; Reporter''s Comments: This case concerns a 73-year-old patient, who experienced Stevens-Johnson syndrome, oral herpes outbreak and outbreak of psoriasis. The patient''s medical history included bad psoriasis and patient is on cosentyx for psoriasis. Very limited information regarding this event/s has been provided at this time. Further information has been requested
[ + ] In_Cog_Nito
[ - ] In_Cog_Nito 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 23:47:51 ago (+1/-0)
There are enough provable cases of vaccine injuries that we don't need to assume every new illness is vaccine-related.
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 10:09:51 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] goat777
[ - ] goat777 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 16:56:40 ago (+0/-0)
Get boosted.
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels 6 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 17:11:21 ago (+6/-0)
Not one ounce of empathy is left within me. Die vaxx whore, die. We'll put a mask on you when you're in the coffin.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 21:42:12 ago (+1/-0)
Trust muh completely experimental gene based therapy for an illness you don't even have, silly goyim.
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 17:57:30 ago (+0/-0)
Stand strong as they crush you
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 6 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 17:08:08 ago (+6/-0)
Poor girl. Looks like she did this just this month. Probably the bivalent.
I bet some college made her take this to enroll.
[ + ] Zyklonbeekeeper
[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 5 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 17:06:35 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior 4 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 18:20:41 ago (+4/-0)
Ohhh ya
FUCKING KIKE OWENED MEDIA
[ + ] I_am_baal
[ - ] I_am_baal 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 20:49:17 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] boxslowly
[ - ] boxslowly 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 03:42:00 ago (+0/-0)
More than Ukraine which NATO has no business being a part of and they aren't covering properly either, or the stolen election. Millions of people have died because of the pharmaceutical industry.
[ + ] DanielR
[ - ] DanielR 3 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 18:01:39 ago (+3/-0)
What did you people expect ??????????
[ + ] Rob3122
[ - ] Rob3122 3 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 15:41:13 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] shitface9000
[ - ] shitface9000 [op] 4 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 15:53:20 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 21:45:45 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] DukeCanon
[ - ] DukeCanon 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 23:17:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] UrCoolerOlderBrother
[ - ] UrCoolerOlderBrother 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 22:32:35 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] kammmmak
[ - ] kammmmak 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 18:01:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] RedBarchetta
[ - ] RedBarchetta 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 20:53:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] kammmmak
[ - ] kammmmak 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 17:44:46 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Centaurus
[ - ] Centaurus 2 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 18:42:55 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] knightwarrior41
[ - ] knightwarrior41 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 30, 2022 01:00:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 21:17:24 ago (+0/-0)*
Have they tried popping her , yet /
[ + ] RedBarchetta
[ - ] RedBarchetta 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 29, 2022 20:51:23 ago (+0/-0)