Today I learned about the jew girl who attempted to assassinate the prophet Muhammad - Upgoat

Today I learned about the jew girl who attempted to assassinate the prophet Muhammad
submitted by Rob3122 to TIL 2.7 yearsAug 6, 2022 20:31:51 ago (+21/-0) (en.wikipedia.org)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Al-Harith#:%7E:text=Hadiths%20attributed%20to%20Aisha%20and,he%20was%20poisoned%20in%20Khaybar.&text=Umm%20Bishr%20%5Bthe%20stepmother%20of,%2C%20%22O%20apostle%20of%20Allah

[ - ] HughBriss 3 points 2.7 yearsAug 6, 2022 22:14:17 ago (+3/-0)*

Like a lot of Islamic teachings, this is NOT contained in the Quran. They keep a great deal of non-canonical material for study, but no one has any damn idea whether it's blessed by Allah and thus canonical. It remains in limbo and just "other writings", like the so-called "Satanic Verses" that Salmon Rushdie wrote about. It's canonical to some and considered inspired by the devil to others, and by both sides regarded as something no one should talk about. He made that scripture public, which earned him a fatwa.

Such blessedly peaceful people. OP, any thoughts on this?

[ + ] Rob3122

[ - ] Rob3122 [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 6, 2022 23:04:00 ago (+0/-0)

No.

[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 06:55:27 ago (+0/-0)

so, in other words, they're retarded

[ - ] PostWallHelena 6 points 2.7 yearsAug 6, 2022 22:16:39 ago (+6/-0)

Jew killing jew. Swell.

[ + ] Rob3122

[ - ] Rob3122 [op] 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 6, 2022 23:00:52 ago (+1/-0)

Prophet Muhammad was a jew?

[ + ] PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 15:14:43 ago (+2/-0)

Perhaps not in the strictest sense as the word jew is defined today. But as @hughbriss says, many related people in the area who spoke similar languages worshipped something like judaism. Among these were the Hanif— monotheistic Arabs who claimed lineage from Abraham and worshipped El/Allah, the Hebrew god. Other arabs worshipped many gods such as Hubal the moon god, the god of the Kaaba. It seems that Muhammads family, the Banu Hashim, were hanif but they seem to have identified Hubal with Allah, which is convenient since their tribe, the Quaraysh, controlled the Kaaba shrine to Hubal.

So when Muhammed became politically powerful it seems safe to say that he pulled a typical jew move and declared that the god of the kaaba was really el/allah, the jew god and that he was its prophet.

He seems to have wobbled a bit on the monotheism thing, saying at times that it was acceptable to worship Hubal’s godess daughters. Mentioning this is what got Salman Rushdie in so much hot water.

But at this time, the sect that would go on to become rabbinical jews were probably a discrete group from the hanifs.

[ + ] HughBriss

[ - ] HughBriss 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 10:05:14 ago (+1/-0)

I would say yes, because people in the Arabian peninsula at that time were ethnically and genetically similar to Levantine jews who still remained in the region after the diaspora. Before the rise of Muhammad, many Arabs practiced some form of judaism. They are commonly referred to as a Semitic people. Their language shares some similarities with Hebrew, and both are written right to left.

[ + ] Name

[ - ] Name 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 10:31:21 ago (+1/-0)

I have always wondered if the Saudi royal family is a bunch of crypto-jews.

[ + ] HughBriss

[ - ] HughBriss 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 10:58:48 ago (+1/-0)

I've heard that too. It's not well documented and the only people who really seem to care are people in Saudi Arabia. For example, this article by Muhammad Salaam provides some detail and especially decries the Saudi family and their form is Islam, Wahabi, as jew inspired brutality that they have inflicted for centuries.

https://themillenniumreport.com/2015/12/is-the-saudi-royal-family-jewish/

[ + ] zongongo

[ - ] zongongo 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 11:57:42 ago (+0/-0)

Look it up, they are.

[ + ] diggernicks

[ - ] diggernicks 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 6, 2022 22:30:42 ago (+0/-0)

progress!

[ - ] Ironcrusader88 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 00:40:22 ago (+1/-0)

Sounds a lot similar to the doctor’s plot with Stalin getting rid of pro western Jews. Basically just a jew civil war over control on how the goyim should be ruled

[ - ] deleted -1 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 01:39:01 ago (+1/-2)

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[ + ] HughBriss

[ - ] HughBriss 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 16:02:11 ago (+0/-0)

I'm not surprised by your downvotes. There's strong evidence that Muhammad didn't actually exist, that he was either an amalgam or entirely fictitious.

Robert Spencer wrote a book on this subject, "Did Muhammad Exist", that was widely panned by everyone. This wide condemnation tells me that he was on target with his thesis. From wikijewdia:

"In 2012, Spencer released Did Muhammad Exist? that questions whether there is any historical evidence that the prophet of Islam actually existed. A reviewer for The New American commented, "Spencer's work is not a 'balanced' one — nor does it appear to have been intended to be." In the context of Robert Spencer's speech at Stanford University, Ben Maldonado, then of the Stanford Daily, and as of 2021, a PhD student in history at Harvard University writing for the Stanford Daily wrote that "[Spencer's] credentials are, truthfully, less than astounding" and "his formal area of study is Catholic history and all of his books have been published by fringe publishers and lack academic peer review." Maldonado further writes with respect to Spencer's book, that "despite [its] editorialized title, [Spencer] rarely challenges the actual existence of Muhammad" by "relying on minor documents that merely obscure the conventional narrative instead of disproving it". Maldonado concludes that "the text [was] simply a weak attempt at a historical analysis"."

I haven't read the book yet, but I should. I've read other books by Spencer and they're well researched and well argued in plain language. And despite this nonsense about his "qualifications", he's quite well qualified to discuss anything related to Islam.

[ - ] knightwarrior41 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 06:42:31 ago (+1/-0)

she didnt attempt,she succeeded because after poison him with herbs he died like 10 days later or so

and the funny thing is that he told her that he would not die because of his prophethood but he did die a terrible and agonizing death

[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 06:58:59 ago (+1/-0)

?? it didn't say that in the wiki

[ + ] knightwarrior41

[ - ] knightwarrior41 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 09:56:18 ago (+1/-0)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."—Sahih al-Bukhari 4428

Marwan b. Uthman b. Abu Sa’id b. al-Mu’alla told me: The apostle had said in his illness of which he was to die when Umm Bishr d. al-Bara came to visit him, ‘O Umm Bishr, this is the time in which I feel a deadly pain from what I ate with your brother [sic.] at Khaybar.’ The Muslims considered that the apostle had died as a martyr in addition to the prophetic office with which God had honoured him

the poison clearly killed him

Zaynab bint Al-Harith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Al-Harith

[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 10:01:12 ago (+1/-0)

so he died a week after that?

[ + ] knightwarrior41

[ - ] knightwarrior41 2 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 10:07:25 ago (+2/-0)

a week or 2 after that depending on the sources. but yeah she killed him with those herbs and he couldnt do anything to stop that despite proclaiming himself to be "the seal of the prophets"

to be fair though, the jews loved to kill the prophets of God, it was like a tradition to them

ISAIAH – Killed with a saw by Manasseh, King of Judah.

ZECHARIAH – Slain in the temple by Joash, King of Judah.

JEREMIAH – Stoned to death in Egypt by Jews living there.

EZEKIEL – Slain in Chaldea by the chief Jew living there.

HABAKKUK – Stoned to death in Jerusalem by Jews.

AMOS – Tortured and killed with a staff by the priests of Bethel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lives_of_the_Prophets

https://onemoreforjesus.net/death-of-the-apostles-and-noted-disciples-of-christ/#:~:text=Some%20Old%20Testament%20prophets%20called%20to%20service%20by,%E2%80%93%20Stoned%20to%20death%20in%20Jerusalem%20by%20Jews.

[ - ] knightwarrior41 1 point 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 06:50:16 ago (+1/-0)

btw btw, the jews have known how to deal herbs and sorcery for a long time. hell, there's a kabbalistic ritual called "pulsa denura" in which a rabbi and his students would go to a cemetery in the middle of the night and curse a person that is not of their liking

they do this by invoking 72 angels and demons towards this person

https://www.haaretz.com/2005-05-04/ty-article/the-original-pulsa-denura/0000017f-e892-d62c-a1ff-fcfbba760000

yes the practicing rabbi would have the danger of the curse to backfire at him.

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 06:59:12 ago (+0/-0)

well, he did kill her whole family

[ + ] Rob3122

[ - ] Rob3122 [op] 0 points 2.7 yearsAug 7, 2022 17:28:48 ago (+0/-0)

History says they most likely deserved it.

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