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Communism sucks. But it's still probably not as bad as America's crapitalist system

submitted by Joe_McCarthy to OccidentalEnclave 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 02:43:31 ago (+2/-11)     (OccidentalEnclave)

A moderately long effort post. Bear with me. I hate long-winded posts.

The commissars implemented a workercentric economic system for all of its flaws. Unlike American capitalists they didn't bring in, or more precisely, lobby the government to bring in foreign labor like capitalists did to undercut workers' salaries. Communists were the government. As such immigration is in large part a function of being ruled by capitalists.

- Communism saved the American worker.

https://www.salon.com/2014/04/01/communism_saved_the_american_worker_how_soviet_competition_raised_our_living_standards/


- Today the former Eastern Bloc is less woke than Western Europe with fewer immigrants. So too Russia.

- Tito's Yugoslavia was a relatively successful state having by some metrics living standards comparable to Western Europe. And that even as an Eastern European backwater.

- The East German Stasi state has probably been the least disastrous of political Germany since unification in 1871 given that Imperial Germany and the Third Reich were destroyed in war, the Weimar Republic succumbed to economic catastrophe, and the post-war West German regime and the Merkel state it was later amalgamated into was drowned in Turks, Arabs, and other garbage.

- Even North Korea is a bastion of racial purity. Not a multiracial shithole like the United States. Matteo Salvini has praised North Korea:

"North Korea has much to be admired... They have a splendid sense of community. Children play on the streets and respect their elders - things that no longer exist in Italy.”


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[ - ] deleted 5 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 02:45:20 ago (+5/-0)

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[ - ] PotatoWhisperer 3 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 07:38:00 ago (+3/-0)

A note on this, our current system is nowhere near capitalist. It's a skinsuit of capitalism worn by socialists.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 10:58:26 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -3 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 07:55:02 ago (+0/-3)

Not an uncommon view among the American right-wing but heterodox nonetheless. Socialism is pretty meaningless if America is socialist. People apt to think it think corporate welfare or infrastructure spending to facilitate trade is socialism. On that note Joe Biden was Wall Street's candidate. Again, if people think Fortune 500 CEOs are socialists we don't just differ in definition; we differ in reality.

Bickering over definition aside... things like immigration policy were not subject to corporate pressure in Communist states. They are here - and there is just very little similarity between the economies of the Soviet Union and the United States in how they have been structured, who has called the shots, and in how they have functioned.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 02:57:11 ago (+1/-1)

Hundreds of millions is a stupid claim.

But count all the dead in imperialist wars. Or US wars for that matter. Or abortion. Or the slave trade. Or on it goes. Westerners couldn't even stop killing each other for that matter. How about them world wars? All commies I guess?

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:04:16 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:14:17 ago (+0/-2)

I'm certainly not going to laud Chairman Mao's bungling - but a lot of the death in Communist countries was in the transitional stage where one class was seizing power from another. Kinda inevitable in those circumstances. You saw the same thing in the French Revolution with the bourgeoisie as they seized power from clerics, royals, and the reactionary feudal landlord class.

[ - ] deleted 3 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:19:52 ago (+3/-0)

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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:24:40 ago (+0/-2)

You just don't know anything about these countries other than Archie Bunker tier anti-Communist talking points. A lot died in China or Russia due to civil wars. People always die in civil wars. It is not unique to Communists. Communists were waging class war though against class enemies.

A lot died in a major conflict in China in the 19th century involving Christians. Blame Christians or something I guess. China has a lot of people anyway. More to get killed.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:26:53 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:36:52 ago (+0/-1)

More or less all his main works (Manifesto, first volume of Capital, Eighteenth Brumaire, Critique of the Gotha Program) and a few of the lesser ones. His work on the Jewish question would get him tagged as a far right anti-Semite today.

He was long dead by the time any of these regimes killed people though. What's the relevance of your question really? You should be reading books about the Soviet Union or Ethiopia or something if you want relevant material for this.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 11:04:09 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] Sleazy 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 06:53:51 ago (+1/-0)

holodomor

[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:06:57 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:08:01 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:09:36 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:10:58 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] deleted 1 point 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:12:11 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] NationalSocialism 4 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:49:26 ago (+4/-0)

Both are jewish and predatory. Socialism works in a homogeneous nation.

[ - ] olinneserpona 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:59:02 ago (+2/-0)

"Communism rots the body, but capitalism rots the soul"

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 3 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:07:06 ago (+3/-0)

Absolutely no one wants to emigrate to a communist shit hole. Everyone wants in on capitalism. I'm not even a giant fan of capitalism.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:22:11 ago (+0/-2)

That's not really true as some did and have. But mostly they didn't even have the option so it was rather moot.

The shithole comment is also a bit simplistic. There are capitalist states with comparable living standards to the USSR getting immigrants. Communist countries were also economically backward less for being Communist than for what they were. Russia was not an advanced society before Communism. In important ways it was though with Communism.

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:25:06 ago (+2/-0)

Twadle.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:28:49 ago (+1/-2)

So it's just my imagination that Stalin industrialized the country, brought mass electrification, turned the USSR into a superpower, and the Soviet Union had a space program, military, and nuclear strike force surpassing almost everyone? Russia was simply Africa or something?

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:32:27 ago (+2/-0)

Putting words in others mouths is an awfully jewish thing to do.

Let's return to what I actually said. There were in no way a comparable number of illegal immigrants to any communist country anywhere ever. Because they are shit holes.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:41:39 ago (+0/-2)

Yeah. Because illegal immigrants would have chosen Romania and Albania over France and Britain. But only refused to do so once Romania and Albania became Communist!

The point being, of course, that Romania and Albania were ALREADY shitholes BEFORE Communism.

What you actually said is absolutely no one wanted to move to these countries. Which reveals you know very little about this topic as some did. And continue to do so. China has a growing African population for starters.

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:41:20 ago (+2/-0)

Yourself for example. You are almost certainly posting from a country which isn't a 'communist' country. Why is that?

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:45:39 ago (+0/-2)

Pretty much since I was born here. Location and residence has a lot to do with birth. I hate this country. But rather than leave I'll try to help fix it. Or help blow it up. It's already ruined so either would be an upgrade.

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 08:53:24 ago (+2/-0)

Bullshit. You stay here because even at this stage it's better here.

Can you point me to ANY large influx of illegal immigrants to Any communist country Anywhere at Any time?
No. You can't.

Seethe harder jew

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 09:08:36 ago (+0/-2)

No, I can't. At least not off the top of my head. But I don't see what point that really makes. The US has a hard to defend and relatively easy to cross land border with Mexico - a much poorer capitalist country. It's like you expect me to explain why Indians haven't been going over the Himalayas to get to Tibet. Or that they ever did when China was a non-communist shithole instead of a communist shithole.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:14:39 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -3 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 03:17:48 ago (+0/-3)*

The Great War is said to have largely destroyed the West. A thoroughly stupid and pointless war. Germany, Austria, Britain, Serbia, France, and Russia were all commies I guess?

And dude, you don't even know how many the Communists killed. As usual your stuff is all tarded.

[ - ] Mona 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 13:45:07 ago (+0/-0)

Ehh...Senator McCarthy wouldn't agree with you Joe. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 2.9 yearsJun 30, 2022 23:11:22 ago (+0/-0)

He died in 1957. This is not 50s America. Not by a long shot.

McCarthy was not notably racialist though. He wasn't Theodore Bilbo. I dunno what he would think of America today. It is safe to assume he'd have some issues though.