If youre so retarded that you never noticed the mass account deletions and censorship then you probably arent very attentive, and will likely contribute very little besides rehashed reddit posts. We are not atracting the best and brightest from Poal. This is why Voat makes fun of you.
The worst part to me though is that nuvoat users think they are different but really arent at all.
[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:22:59 ago (+1/-0)
In the beginning, it wasn't like that. Honestly it didn't get bad until after old-voat died and all the users poured in, then boobs ceded power to aou and it got fucked.
[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 20:02:29 ago (+1/-0)
Keep in mind that aou just used it as an excuse to fuck with people for wrong think- BUT:
If implemented as intended, the downvote moray was to insure people could have a diversity of opinion without having hivemind nuke their account. I'm sure you remember the dumpsterfire voat ended up being towards the end, bots and alts would brigade people they didn't like and Putt did fuck-all about it.
A downvote is trying to silence someone. Bad actors use it as a "fuck you" or "disagree" button. On old vote I never downvoted once, not once, because it was so abused. People would downvote you for saying "thank you" or "I'd like to see that article"- ridiculous.
The Idea was that downvotes should be used exclusively for off topic, spam and illegal shit, not because you disagree. This used to be the golden-age of Reddit norm (back in like '05) and kinda adhered to at the beginning of old-voat too. Using downvote buttons as a 'disagree' creates a hive-mind echo-chamber with a very narrow field of acceptable opinions, and fast areas of wrongthink.
If the idea had been implemented honestly, it would have been a brilliant advantage.
I fundamentally, wholeheartedly disagree. A downvote is expressing disagreement or discontent. Especially on a site as small as Voat or Poal, you're not going to silence anyone with downvotes. Maybe they're at the bottom of the page, but maybe they deserve to be. With reasonable moderation that addresses trolls and bad faith actors, it's not an issue. The only reason to suppress the ability to downvote is because you're a fucking kike. It's different on a heavily manipulated site like Reddit, but many years ago when Reddit was semi organic, it worked as a way for a community to organically cultivate content.
Maybe for nu-voat, I don't actually know what (if anything) happens here for negative SCP, but my first post here 3 weeks after nu-voat started is still my most downgoated: -9 and every comment was downgoated too. If this had been poal, I would have had severely restricted posting ability.
Poal was better than old-voat about this, but there was this one lefty who had to post a bunch of stuff he disagreed with before he could start posting the lefty perspectives that he wanted to, and once he started aou just let people downgoat the shit out of him until he was in the neg, then he'd get a new account. 88bottlesofbeer was one of the names.
How many people just joining who write something that hive-mind disagrees with (or in my case a normal, general introduction) and got downgoated to oblivion would just say "fuck it, guess these guys don't want me here" and leave? Particularly people unaware of how this place works.
Yea, I think it worked pretty well on Old-Reddit back during the Ron Paul Revolution but shortly thereafter it just got weaponized. And old voat was a dumpsterfire if you disagreed with hive mind, except in the beginning.
Anyway, I don't think we'll agree on this but that's the explanation.
Partially correct. At no point could you 'not downvote'. I never downvoted on oldvoat because it was so abused. On old voat people would build alts and bots simply to downvote the fuck out of people till they couldn't post anymore. Downvotes were appropriate for spam, off topic, or illegal postings like CP.
The origional Poal ethos was pretty similar to OG reddit or EARLY early Voat, where you wouldn't use the dv button as a proxies to "i don't like you" or "disagree button". The ethos of upvoting content you disagree with if it's well written is the mature way to interact with dialogue.
The PROBLEM occurred when aou started using the downvote moray as an excuse to fuck over anyone who didn't agree with him.
[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:22:00 ago (+1/-0)
This is nonsense. aou, being a micromanaging cocksucker, was very good at covering his tracks. Your experience with poal only started after old-voat died. I'd been on poal since a few months after it's founding and non of that bullshit started until after boobs gave more power to aou after the migration.
So for many users, you had ~a year of learning to trust the place. Then aou used bad users to cover his attacks on good users. First couple of times I asked about a given user he gave me a plausible excuse.
Also, people just leave on their own, or stop posting, so it's not like you always notice that someone is gone. Its only after these things started to add up, or old goats you've known for a while get their accounts fucked with.
Not every user is so invested that they scour the logs and memorize everyone's name.
Mostly I know because they came on here and bitched about it. I guess that's the solution. Have two sites and then the people that get banned from one can post on the other one, and if you get banned from both you probably suck.
It was a little disappointing to see poal users just memory hole the various users that AOU canned for bullshit reasons. But I don’t really dislike them. Making a mountain out of a mole hill.
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:00:53 ago (+1/-0)
What is the problem with nuvoat in your opinion.?
Good god, YOU KNOW:
"[ - ] PostWallHelena 11 points 5 months ago (+14/-3) I cant fucking take it. I just got through with those fucking Poal bitches. And now this?
Antiliberalsociety has been a goat forever. I dont give a shit about drama. Im sorry there were stupid accusations that I don’t agree with. ALS was not a troll and should not have been banned.
I can’t get invested in this place. This is exactly how it started on Poal.
The owners are going to fuck around like this? Fucking just leave it alone.
Old voat was better off for puttitout’s total neglect. Just dont get involved in these dramas.
TLDR THIS IS BAD. THIS IS VERY BAD. FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!!"
He unbanned ALS who left voluntarily. Are you saying that system is targetting alot of users? Which ones? JBN is the only person that’s been canned in 5 months.
Oh that’s too bad. I think he’s at searchvoat now. Okay, so besides ALS and JBN? Is this the big problem ? I don’t agree with the ALS ban. I feel bad about JBN but there was the issue of legal exposure.
But really, the repeated bannings of ALS was enough. He showed his true colors. system/The_Venerable is not as bad as AOU, but that's why he gets the name of AOU's little sister.
I didn’t like how he canned cyna but I suppose thats his beeswax.
JBN is Jewsbadnews, who was banned recently because he made some specific terrorist threat, like “meet me at X with weapons on Friday” or something. I didn’t see it.
Ok, I remember the announcement but didn't remember the handle and connect it to JBN. That's the kind of thing we're just supposed to have to take the word of AOU's little sister on -- which, given past history, I do not. We have no idea if somebody is banned without being notified of it.
People need to make a new account. User names aren't that important. At best, I kind of recognize them as "oh, you're one of the 100 or so people who posts regularly on nuvoat/poal."
It's very difficult to strike a balance between free speech and having your site overrun by spammers and assholes who like nothing but to cause trouble. I don't envy the position of system or AOU. I don't think that I'm ever going to 100% agree with the calls that they have to make. Poal feels a bit more curated; voat feels more free-speechy. AOU is heavy handed; system seems to act only as a last resort. Not that many people are willing to put in the effort to run a site which probably doesn't pay them, so I'm kind of just grateful that they do it. Some people seem quite entitled to the ability to post on someone else's site -- and not just post but post whateverthefuck they want. Which is, to a degree, the promise of free speech; but again it's a balance.
Their point is that the Poal people didn't bash their admin enough...he should be doing that here if he's being principled. In fact, even though I say that, I often get annoyed to how far people take that, but I guess it's needed. I'm more here for the conversations and finding truth...other people are here to call System a faggette...one man's trash is another mans treasure I guess.
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 5 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 13:24:15 ago (+5/-0)
we are niggerfaggots, they are faggots. big difference
[ + ] Swej_Ehtsag
[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:36:02 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:39:01 ago (+1/-0)
Before trophies were handed out for being a transbrave bipoc useless front hole.
[ + ] Swej_Ehtsag
[ - ] Swej_Ehtsag 3 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 14:35:34 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] QuasiVoat
[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:22:59 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheViciousMrPim
[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 4 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:48:52 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] StopTheEvilAgenda
[ - ] StopTheEvilAgenda 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 17:56:13 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] QuasiVoat
[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 20:02:29 ago (+1/-0)
If implemented as intended, the downvote moray was to insure people could have a diversity of opinion without having hivemind nuke their account. I'm sure you remember the dumpsterfire voat ended up being towards the end, bots and alts would brigade people they didn't like and Putt did fuck-all about it.
A downvote is trying to silence someone. Bad actors use it as a "fuck you" or "disagree" button. On old vote I never downvoted once, not once, because it was so abused. People would downvote you for saying "thank you" or "I'd like to see that article"- ridiculous.
The Idea was that downvotes should be used exclusively for off topic, spam and illegal shit, not because you disagree. This used to be the golden-age of Reddit norm (back in like '05) and kinda adhered to at the beginning of old-voat too. Using downvote buttons as a 'disagree' creates a hive-mind echo-chamber with a very narrow field of acceptable opinions, and fast areas of wrongthink.
If the idea had been implemented honestly, it would have been a brilliant advantage.
[ + ] StopTheEvilAgenda
[ - ] StopTheEvilAgenda 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 11, 2022 00:37:44 ago (+1/-0)
I fundamentally, wholeheartedly disagree. A downvote is expressing disagreement or discontent. Especially on a site as small as Voat or Poal, you're not going to silence anyone with downvotes. Maybe they're at the bottom of the page, but maybe they deserve to be. With reasonable moderation that addresses trolls and bad faith actors, it's not an issue. The only reason to suppress the ability to downvote is because you're a fucking kike. It's different on a heavily manipulated site like Reddit, but many years ago when Reddit was semi organic, it worked as a way for a community to organically cultivate content.
[ + ] QuasiVoat
[ - ] QuasiVoat 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 11, 2022 10:05:46 ago (+0/-0)
Poal was better than old-voat about this, but there was this one lefty who had to post a bunch of stuff he disagreed with before he could start posting the lefty perspectives that he wanted to, and once he started aou just let people downgoat the shit out of him until he was in the neg, then he'd get a new account. 88bottlesofbeer was one of the names.
How many people just joining who write something that hive-mind disagrees with (or in my case a normal, general introduction) and got downgoated to oblivion would just say "fuck it, guess these guys don't want me here" and leave? Particularly people unaware of how this place works.
Yea, I think it worked pretty well on Old-Reddit back during the Ron Paul Revolution but shortly thereafter it just got weaponized. And old voat was a dumpsterfire if you disagreed with hive mind, except in the beginning.
Anyway, I don't think we'll agree on this but that's the explanation.
[ + ] QuasiVoat
[ - ] QuasiVoat 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 19:54:52 ago (+0/-0)
The origional Poal ethos was pretty similar to OG reddit or EARLY early Voat, where you wouldn't use the dv button as a proxies to "i don't like you" or "disagree button". The ethos of upvoting content you disagree with if it's well written is the mature way to interact with dialogue.
The PROBLEM occurred when aou started using the downvote moray as an excuse to fuck over anyone who didn't agree with him.
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:39:35 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 2 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:13:20 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] heroinwinsagain
[ - ] heroinwinsagain 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 21:56:34 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] diggernicks
[ - ] diggernicks 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 21:17:34 ago (+1/-0)
The popularity of your posts has ZERO relation to their quality
99% of people on the internet are exceptionally mentally challenged
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:37:44 ago (+1/-0)
I think this site has more lurking mossad though.
[ + ] i_scream_trucks
[ - ] i_scream_trucks 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:36:48 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] QuasiVoat
[ - ] QuasiVoat 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:22:00 ago (+1/-0)
So for many users, you had ~a year of learning to trust the place. Then aou used bad users to cover his attacks on good users. First couple of times I asked about a given user he gave me a plausible excuse.
Also, people just leave on their own, or stop posting, so it's not like you always notice that someone is gone. Its only after these things started to add up, or old goats you've known for a while get their accounts fucked with.
Not every user is so invested that they scour the logs and memorize everyone's name.
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:41:09 ago (+0/-0)
You ain't leein
[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 23:50:41 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 15:38:14 ago (+1/-0)
What is the problem with nuvoat in your opinion.?
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:00:53 ago (+1/-0)
Good god, YOU KNOW:
"[ - ] PostWallHelena 11 points 5 months ago (+14/-3)
I cant fucking take it. I just got through with those fucking Poal bitches. And now this?
Antiliberalsociety has been a goat forever. I dont give a shit about drama. Im sorry there were stupid accusations that I don’t agree with. ALS was not a troll and should not have been banned.
I can’t get invested in this place. This is exactly how it started on Poal.
The owners are going to fuck around like this? Fucking just leave it alone.
Old voat was better off for puttitout’s total neglect. Just dont get involved in these dramas.
TLDR THIS IS BAD. THIS IS VERY BAD. FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!!"
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=61305c2709db6&commentid=6130a805af427
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:08:09 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:19:01 ago (+0/-0)
Half correct. He unbanned him only to ban him again. When I pointed out his second banning it got downvoted to oblivion:
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=615a39bcc1c49
check his profile, banned:
https://www.voat.xyz/profile.php?user=Antiliberalsociety
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:29:21 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:40:10 ago (+0/-0)
But really, the repeated bannings of ALS was enough. He showed his true colors. system/The_Venerable is not as bad as AOU, but that's why he gets the name of AOU's little sister.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 17:50:20 ago (+0/-0)
JBN is Jewsbadnews, who was banned recently because he made some specific terrorist threat, like “meet me at X with weapons on Friday” or something. I didn’t see it.
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:14:53 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 20:54:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger -1 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:34:12 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 20:47:23 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 23:48:54 ago (+0/-0)
It's very difficult to strike a balance between free speech and having your site overrun by spammers and assholes who like nothing but to cause trouble. I don't envy the position of system or AOU. I don't think that I'm ever going to 100% agree with the calls that they have to make. Poal feels a bit more curated; voat feels more free-speechy. AOU is heavy handed; system seems to act only as a last resort. Not that many people are willing to put in the effort to run a site which probably doesn't pay them, so I'm kind of just grateful that they do it. Some people seem quite entitled to the ability to post on someone else's site -- and not just post but post whateverthefuck they want. Which is, to a degree, the promise of free speech; but again it's a balance.
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 14:16:04 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 18:17:09 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] SparklingWiggle
[ - ] SparklingWiggle 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 13:50:14 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 3 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 13:56:57 ago (+4/-1)
[ + ] lord_nougat
[ - ] lord_nougat 3 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 14:53:21 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] systemisseasilymanipulated
[ - ] systemisseasilymanipulated [op] -1 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:37:39 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] lord_nougat
[ - ] lord_nougat 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 16:39:01 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 2 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 14:51:54 ago (+2/-0)
Their point is that the Poal people didn't bash their admin enough...he should be doing that here if he's being principled. In fact, even though I say that, I often get annoyed to how far people take that, but I guess it's needed. I'm more here for the conversations and finding truth...other people are here to call System a faggette...one man's trash is another mans treasure I guess.
[ + ] NastyNancy
[ - ] NastyNancy 1 point 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 13:49:06 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] KangzNSheeit
[ - ] KangzNSheeit 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 23:17:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ]deleted
[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.2 yearsFeb 10, 2022 13:29:43 ago (+0/-0)