This Jew's parents think in such subjective terms about religion:
https://youtu.be/uMo2VVsDU7A?t=1791
"...maybe if their spirituality fits better with you" is a "good" reason to become affiliated with a religion, but not because you think it is true. Believing in truth, according to the anti-Christian spirit, is "just weird."
Religion is the right-ordered worship of the divine. If truth exists, if the divine exists, if right order exists, then religion is the farthest thing from subjectivity possible, for it presupposes *right-orderedness*, *truth,* and the *divine* - all things that we must be subject to, and not which are determined by arbitrary whim or opinion.
This one went through right away. Weird, but seems mostly functional. Good job, @system. Can we get highlights to pings so they can be seen as visibly effective?
I take my time to formulate my responses, and furthermore I don't exactly spend every hour of the day on this website. I'm still judging whether or not its community is worth engaging with. Judging by the quality of the responses so far, it's not looking good.
They certainly did. There was no mobilized labour in the Germanic territories prior to the Benedictine Order. None. Prior to the the Benedictines establishing monasteries along the Danube and Rhine valleys, there was no cultivation of the soil among those peoples - they lived according to the principle of pillaging, mere marauding tribes. The very *nature* of monasteries is to work and pray - which was Benedict's motto, *ora et labora* - and as a result monasteries had the habit of slowly growing from a mere hut with a few monks working the land and praying, to a community of monks with gardens working the land and praying, to a village or hamlet surrounding the monastic farms, to entire cities. This is what happened to *create* what we know as the Germanic worker. This priest describes this process succinctly here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjnCAd4QDE
As EMJ himself writes in *Barren Metal*,
>Because Christianity preached the equality of all believers in the eyes of God, Europe did not split into two mutually exclusive classes, with helots doing all the work and the ruling class ruined by idle leisure, as both Greece and Rome had. Work had been redeemed because of Christianity, and since there was no longer any stigma attached to it, the social order that grew out of the Christianization of the Germanic tribes became industrious in a way that antiquity would have found unprecedented.
>The guild was bound up with a concept of work that was peculiarly Christian. The idea of work which the Germans learned from the Benedictine monks was at odds with the pagan conception of work. For pagan antiquity, work was a disgrace and a curse which inflicted its burden only on the poor. The Greek word "to work," came from the same root as the word "poor" and it meant "to suffer poverty."
This does not sound like a pre-Christian pagan spirit proud of its labour! Unless we are to suppose the barbarian Germans had a deeper respect for labour than the far more civilized Greeks or Romans - barbarians, I'll remind you, that did not build their own great civilization prior to Christianity, but merely destroyed the Roman one.
>The celts and other quasi celtic people dominated central europe for like a thousand years
By raping and pillaging better than anyone else. Good for them.
EMJ denies "white" and "black" as meaningful categories *in themselves*. He points out that they only have meaning when juxtaposed against one another. Until white men encounter blacks, there is no white - there is only Irish, Italian, German, etc. EMJ emphasizes ethnicity over race because it for 95%+ of European history was far more important as a category than "white". He obviously does not deny the material reality of differing genetics; he has spoken often enough about the Human Genome Project and is familiar with its findings.
He denies that behaviour *must* depend on genetics, and he is right to do so, *because of grace*. Genetics are only causal with respect to behaviour when those doing the acting are living *according to the flesh*. For those who live according to the spirit, it is a different story.
But if you accept *a priori* a naturalistic framework, or make an unjustified extrapolation from the apparent influence of race on behaviour *some of the time* to assume it is so *all of the time*, than these considerations are above you.
He is emphasizing the power of grace to perfect nature.
He is also not comparing Europeans / whites and Africans / blacks, but *Europe and Africa*. as cohesive wholes.
There was no unity, no singleness to Europe prior to the Church. There was only Rome, but it conquered, it did not unify.
Christendom was the first unifying force in European history. And the grace that flowed from its truth perfected the already advanced Mediterraneans where their philosophy had reached a dead end in the Aristotelian Prime Mover / Platonic Demiurge impasse, and likewise civilized the barbarians who were too preoccupied with stealing what others had, raping foreign women, and chasing pigs to build a real civilization. It was the Benedictine Order that taught the Germans how to work, and the Catholic Church that gave Celts and Britons and Gauls a reason to perceive themselves as one group - one faith - because they certainly didn't perceive themselves as one group *prior* to the Church, whether their skin was white or not.
That is what EMJ is emphasizing when he touches on this issue.
Appreciate what you've done. As things stabilize, let us know how we can help. If this keeps growing costs will explode. Cryptocurrency should always be an option, since CC is unreliable, as Voat proved.
PS -1 points 3.2 years ago
This Jew's parents think in such subjective terms about religion:
https://youtu.be/uMo2VVsDU7A?t=1791
"...maybe if their spirituality fits better with you" is a "good" reason to become affiliated with a religion, but not because you think it is true. Believing in truth, according to the anti-Christian spirit, is "just weird."
Religion is the right-ordered worship of the divine. If truth exists, if the divine exists, if right order exists, then religion is the farthest thing from subjectivity possible, for it presupposes *right-orderedness*, *truth,* and the *divine* - all things that we must be subject to, and not which are determined by arbitrary whim or opinion.
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
This one went through right away. Weird, but seems mostly functional. Good job, @system. Can we get highlights to pings so they can be seen as visibly effective?
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
I got this one but my alt didn't. Cache? @PeaceSeeker
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
@PS @PeaceSeeker
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
They seem to work, though notifications inconsistent?
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
I take my time to formulate my responses, and furthermore I don't exactly spend every hour of the day on this website. I'm still judging whether or not its community is worth engaging with. Judging by the quality of the responses so far, it's not looking good.
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
>No one had to teach the germans how to work.
They certainly did. There was no mobilized labour in the Germanic territories prior to the Benedictine Order. None. Prior to the the Benedictines establishing monasteries along the Danube and Rhine valleys, there was no cultivation of the soil among those peoples - they lived according to the principle of pillaging, mere marauding tribes. The very *nature* of monasteries is to work and pray - which was Benedict's motto, *ora et labora* - and as a result monasteries had the habit of slowly growing from a mere hut with a few monks working the land and praying, to a community of monks with gardens working the land and praying, to a village or hamlet surrounding the monastic farms, to entire cities. This is what happened to *create* what we know as the Germanic worker. This priest describes this process succinctly here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjnCAd4QDE
As EMJ himself writes in *Barren Metal*,
>Because Christianity preached the equality of all believers in the eyes of God, Europe did not split into two mutually exclusive classes, with helots doing all the work and the ruling class ruined by idle leisure, as both Greece and Rome had. Work had been redeemed because of Christianity, and since there was no longer any stigma attached to it, the social order that grew out of the Christianization of the Germanic tribes became industrious in a way that antiquity would have found unprecedented.
>The guild was bound up with a concept of work that was peculiarly Christian. The idea of work which the Germans learned from the Benedictine monks was at odds with the pagan conception of work. For pagan antiquity, work was a disgrace and a curse which inflicted its burden only on the poor. The Greek word "to work," came from the same root as the word "poor" and it meant "to suffer poverty."
This does not sound like a pre-Christian pagan spirit proud of its labour! Unless we are to suppose the barbarian Germans had a deeper respect for labour than the far more civilized Greeks or Romans - barbarians, I'll remind you, that did not build their own great civilization prior to Christianity, but merely destroyed the Roman one.
>The celts and other quasi celtic people dominated central europe for like a thousand years
By raping and pillaging better than anyone else. Good for them.
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
EMJ denies "white" and "black" as meaningful categories *in themselves*. He points out that they only have meaning when juxtaposed against one another. Until white men encounter blacks, there is no white - there is only Irish, Italian, German, etc. EMJ emphasizes ethnicity over race because it for 95%+ of European history was far more important as a category than "white". He obviously does not deny the material reality of differing genetics; he has spoken often enough about the Human Genome Project and is familiar with its findings.
He denies that behaviour *must* depend on genetics, and he is right to do so, *because of grace*. Genetics are only causal with respect to behaviour when those doing the acting are living *according to the flesh*. For those who live according to the spirit, it is a different story.
But if you accept *a priori* a naturalistic framework, or make an unjustified extrapolation from the apparent influence of race on behaviour *some of the time* to assume it is so *all of the time*, than these considerations are above you.
@VitaminSieg
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
He is emphasizing the power of grace to perfect nature.
He is also not comparing Europeans / whites and Africans / blacks, but *Europe and Africa*. as cohesive wholes.
There was no unity, no singleness to Europe prior to the Church. There was only Rome, but it conquered, it did not unify.
Christendom was the first unifying force in European history. And the grace that flowed from its truth perfected the already advanced Mediterraneans where their philosophy had reached a dead end in the Aristotelian Prime Mover / Platonic Demiurge impasse, and likewise civilized the barbarians who were too preoccupied with stealing what others had, raping foreign women, and chasing pigs to build a real civilization. It was the Benedictine Order that taught the Germans how to work, and the Catholic Church that gave Celts and Britons and Gauls a reason to perceive themselves as one group - one faith - because they certainly didn't perceive themselves as one group *prior* to the Church, whether their skin was white or not.
That is what EMJ is emphasizing when he touches on this issue.
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PS 3 points 4.2 years ago
>*switched to* dial-up
wut
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PS 1 point 4.2 years ago
You didn't lose anything, it's all still on SV.
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
I don't think I ever saw Rottx on Poal
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PS 0 points 4.2 years ago
Appreciate what you've done. As things stabilize, let us know how we can help. If this keeps growing costs will explode. Cryptocurrency should always be an option, since CC is unreliable, as Voat proved.
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PS 1 point 4.2 years ago
Was there anyone who *didn't* accept SBBH mod? I thought everyone else were just alts...
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