Ok well why don’t you summarize his work and explain why its relevant to this conversation about ancient north europeans and their origins. I have summarized my understanding of this topic and explained why hyperborean and antediluvian are bad term . Make a solid argument to me as to why either of these guys are worth my time and not just conartists hocking fairtale nonsense.
No I didn’t read the atlantis book. But it was written in a time when the knowlege of ancient civilizations and ancient natural events were very limited. So how could he possibly know what is known today about the plausiblity of the atlantis myth or the great flood being true. He was just speculating based on the bible and plato. Not reliable sources.
I didn’t read Manly P Hall because he is a mystic. Why would a mystic be a good source for anything? Did he weigh in on hyperboreans or biblical floods somewhere? Should we care?
Living in all white places allows for the luxury of being a liberal. When you live with niggers who will exploit every loophole to take advantage of their neighbor and who can never be relied on to use “good sense”, you understand how liberal policies can never work in the long run.
Ok. The writer of that book, Ignatius Donelly, died in 1901. Prehistory knowlege was very limited at that time I think he was a lawyer. He had no knowlege of geology or archeology that would make him knowlegeable of ancient civilizations or floods in the middle east, let alone the younger-dryas period.
In his discussion of atlantis, Plato was probably referencing the minoan civilization in southern greece, which was foreign (non-indo-european) to the greeks and which collapsed in 1100 bc. They were advanced for the period but swarthy med types derived from caucasus hunter gatherers. They may have experienced a natural cataclysm like a volcanic eruption. Not a world flood or the younger-dryas which is not contemporary at all with their existence. Plato got his knowlege of this through the rumor mill, not recorded history. Which obviously undermines its reliability.
Of course they are. And I know more about their ancient origins than you or great satan. When and where is the first instance of SLC24A5 gene white skin allele dated to? Or KTLG gene blond hair allele? OCA2 gene blue eyed allele? Do you know when white people actually started looking white? Who were the groups that contributed to the formation of our race? Do you know the answers to these questions? I do. Because I researched more than memes. Science is real Raul. Through repeatable experiment. Belief is for faggots. I *know*.
The younger dryas happened 12,000 years ago. Far too long ago for any semitic groups living in 800bc to have any oral tradition of it. The ancient israelites couldn’t even remember that the time during which they were supposed to have been fleeing egypt into canaan (1500-1100), Canaan was ruled by egypt! How are you going to escape Egyptian tyranny by fleeing to another country Egypt controls? The OT is packed with such anachronisms. Know why? Because even the “plausible” parts of the bible (non-supernatural) are mostly false. Their own ethnogenesis is false. They lifted their entire creation myth from babylonians. People at that time had no understanding of the natural world or history. They had no oral tradition going back to the mesolithic ffs. They couldn’t even get right events that happened a few hundred years earlier. BTW none of those semitic people were even living in the middle east 12 thousand years earlier. Fucking Younger Dryas lol.
If he is a serious historian or archeologist he is not going to use terms like hyperborean or ante-diluvian except in the context of the usage of the ancient people who created these concepts. Ancient greeks and romans would have only known about celtic and germanic tribes north of them. Before them you have Battle Axe culture. Before them you have corded ware, pitted ware and bell beaker cultures. Before that you had globular amphora culture and before that funnel beaker culture. That just gets you back 6000 years ago. All these groups are genetically distinct (from genetic testing of remains) white people who spoke different languages.
Before that point you have hunter gatherer groups living in northern europe (also genetically distinct by region and period). And we know what they looked like and what their genetics were and what their technological levels were, going back to around 40 or 50 thousand years ago. Hyperborean doesn’t begin to characterize the chronology and variety of all these groups. Theres plenty of good reliable science on the subject of prehistoric european cultures. Its not all jewed like these faggots claim.
There was no great flood. Don’t take your knowlege of history from the book of Genesis. Hyperborean is a term used by ancient greeks/romans to refer to people living far north of them. They didn’t know anything about those people so they made up stories about them which are mostly false.
Many different people lived in northern europe at different times. We know alot about most of them now and we have names for their specific cultures. The last ice age was from 33,000 to 14,000 years ago. Are you proposing that ancient greeks/romans knew anything about aurignacian or gravettian cultures who lived before then? They wouldn’t have had any knowlege of people living before the iron age, which started around 1200 bc.
Democrats, who have been run by liberal secular jews for a long time, are trying to differentiate between Israelis and jews. They carried the banner of the holocaust for many years and used it as an weapon against all conservatism as teleologically leading to mass genocide and evil dictators. So identifying jews as the ethnic group responsible for the gaza genocide is very awkward for their intellectuals.
Stupider democrats, like spics and niggers and arabs, don’t mind calling a jew a jew. Imo.
Clearly theres a range of behavior displayed by mexicans regarding “work ethic”. Some mexicans naturally work hard and some dont. Same is true of whites.
What is relavant is the distribution of that behavior. How hard does the average mexican want to work? How hard does the average white want to work? What is the variation of those distributions? This will determine how much overall work ethic will suffer when you bring in a random sample of mexicans to the US. But Mexican productivity is a good indicator of how that average will move.
People make emotional argument like texasblood ( “ mexicans are good people”)— its cherry picking and irrelevant. Analytically, Mexicans will lower the performance of the US because their genetics determine their behavior. Mexicans don’t want to see that. They think they will magically start producing as much as whites when they cross the border.
Yes of course he is willfully trying to misinterpret me. Yes I believe he has a hostile agenda here. Unfortunately the left does not have a monopoly on dishonest debate strategies. Many right wing users on this forum do the same .
Occassionally sal is willing to engage in a good faith debate. He’s pretty much the only consistently liberal user around here so I find it a good excercise to engage with him. The world is full of people that think like him and I believe its more constructive to expose them to the truth (as I perceive it) and present a logical argument to support that POV rather than simply hurl insults at them as a troll under a bridge would. We are pretty insulated here and we need to leave the bubble once in a while to converse with normies.
Wahmen-hating is mirror image feminism. Men and women have different priorities. Without a balance of those priorities you get massive dysfunction in both directions.
We know exactly what mexicans are like on average because we know what mexico is like and what mexico has always been like. At the group level mexicans produce a crappy country. So do all their relatives in nicaraqua and honduras and panama and belize. The state of those countries reflects the average behavior of those people.
Their poor economic development and high levels of crime and violence are not a function of palm trees or plantains. Its not the result of a series of bad policy decisions by their politicians. Its not caused by communism. Its not caused by lack of democracy or capitalism. Reforming their governments will never fix that problem.
Its just MATH! If you replace half the white people in the US with mexicans, the US will become half way between its former self and mexico. If you replace half of them with people from the Congo you will end up with a country half way between our former glory and the Congo.
If you want to know what a group of people are really like, look at their real country. They will recreate it wherever they go. I don’t want to live in the fucking Congo, or Mexico.
There are many mexicans that are hardworking and peaceful. But mexico has always underperformed every white country economically and overperformed every white country in violence and corruption. This is due to the behavior of *the average mexican*, who is less intelligent, less hard working and more corrupt and violent than the average white. You can acknowlege that there are hadworking peaceful mexicans while also observing that their average behavior is *worse* than white behavior (for the purposes of building nice countries.) Both things can be true.
Bringing in any substantial number of mexicans into a white country will bring down the economic performance and prosperity of that white country necessarily. Its not a matter of whether they are nice or affectionate people. We know what their average behavior looks like at the population level: *Mexico*. Relative to the US, its a shitshow (or was before we were overrun by Mexicans and other latinos.) Mexico will never have a legitimate space program or cure cancer. Illegal drugs are a major industry as is true of almost every latin country. Many latino countries are failed states. They can’t build nice countries comparable to white countries. Its not a coincidence that all their governments are corrupt and communist.
The cause of this problem is genetics. Genetics informs behavior. Whites are naturally more conservative. The more mexicans live in the US, the more whites are forced to subsidize them. Is that fair? Only whites deserve white standards of living because only whites are capable of producing them. Mexicans deserve mexican standards of living. They do not deserve a higher standard which they cannot accomplish. Mexicans deserve Mexico, no more and no less.
Of course not. Its socratic irony. Its rhetorical. Im demonstrating your inconsistency. Tell me why its okay to break one sexual taboo but not another.
The disgust people have for homosexuality and pedophilia and other aberrant sexual behaviors comes from the same place. Sophisticated societies in history have “overcome” their sexual taboos to accept both pedophilia and homosexuality because they are similar taboos which are increasingly ignored in degenerate cultures. Your belief that accepting homosexuality is okay but accepting pedophilia is bad is arbitrary.
You can’t explain why the “ick” factor you get from homosexuality should be ignored but that same disgust should be attended to when its pedophilia. Your feeling of disgust is the only indication that either is wrong. So how do you differentiate good disgust from bad disgust? You will avoid the question as usually, i predict.
It is part of an old roman fortification but the kikes think that area was closest to the holy of holies, the most important part of solomons temple, where yahweh would sit on his mercy seat as a cloud of smoke or something like that.
PostWallHelena 0 points 2 hours ago
Ok well why don’t you summarize his work and explain why its relevant to this conversation about ancient north europeans and their origins. I have summarized my understanding of this topic and explained why hyperborean and antediluvian are bad term . Make a solid argument to me as to why either of these guys are worth my time and not just conartists hocking fairtale nonsense.
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PostWallHelena 1 point 2 hours ago
No I didn’t read the atlantis book. But it was written in a time when the knowlege of ancient civilizations and ancient natural events were very limited. So how could he possibly know what is known today about the plausiblity of the atlantis myth or the great flood being true. He was just speculating based on the bible and plato. Not reliable sources.
I didn’t read Manly P Hall because he is a mystic. Why would a mystic be a good source for anything? Did he weigh in on hyperboreans or biblical floods somewhere? Should we care?
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PostWallHelena 1 point 2 hours ago
We are pattern recognizers. We are noticers.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 2 hours ago
He’s not.
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PostWallHelena 7 points 2 hours ago
Living in all white places allows for the luxury of being a liberal. When you live with niggers who will exploit every loophole to take advantage of their neighbor and who can never be relied on to use “good sense”, you understand how liberal policies can never work in the long run.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 2 hours ago
Ok. The writer of that book, Ignatius Donelly, died in 1901. Prehistory knowlege was very limited at that time I think he was a lawyer. He had no knowlege of geology or archeology that would make him knowlegeable of ancient civilizations or floods in the middle east, let alone the younger-dryas period.
In his discussion of atlantis, Plato was probably referencing the minoan civilization in southern greece, which was foreign (non-indo-european) to the greeks and which collapsed in 1100 bc. They were advanced for the period but swarthy med types derived from caucasus hunter gatherers. They may have experienced a natural cataclysm like a volcanic eruption. Not a world flood or the younger-dryas which is not contemporary at all with their existence. Plato got his knowlege of this through the rumor mill, not recorded history. Which obviously undermines its reliability.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 2 hours ago
Of course they are. And I know more about their ancient origins than you or great satan. When and where is the first instance of SLC24A5 gene white skin allele dated to? Or KTLG gene blond hair allele? OCA2 gene blue eyed allele? Do you know when white people actually started looking white? Who were the groups that contributed to the formation of our race? Do you know the answers to these questions? I do. Because I researched more than memes. Science is real Raul. Through repeatable experiment. Belief is for faggots. I *know*.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 3 hours ago
Butt hurt because the axe wound knows better than you. Don’t cry now.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 3 hours ago
The younger dryas happened 12,000 years ago. Far too long ago for any semitic groups living in 800bc to have any oral tradition of it. The ancient israelites couldn’t even remember that the time during which they were supposed to have been fleeing egypt into canaan (1500-1100), Canaan was ruled by egypt! How are you going to escape Egyptian tyranny by fleeing to another country Egypt controls? The OT is packed with such anachronisms. Know why? Because even the “plausible” parts of the bible (non-supernatural) are mostly false. Their own ethnogenesis is false. They lifted their entire creation myth from babylonians. People at that time had no understanding of the natural world or history. They had no oral tradition going back to the mesolithic ffs. They couldn’t even get right events that happened a few hundred years earlier. BTW none of those semitic people were even living in the middle east 12 thousand years earlier. Fucking Younger Dryas lol.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 3 hours ago
I can’t find this guy. Can you link me to him?
If he is a serious historian or archeologist he is not going to use terms like hyperborean or ante-diluvian except in the context of the usage of the ancient people who created these concepts. Ancient greeks and romans would have only known about celtic and germanic tribes north of them. Before them you have Battle Axe culture. Before them you have corded ware, pitted ware and bell beaker cultures. Before that you had globular amphora culture and before that funnel beaker culture. That just gets you back 6000 years ago. All these groups are genetically distinct (from genetic testing of remains) white people who spoke different languages.
Before that point you have hunter gatherer groups living in northern europe (also genetically distinct by region and period). And we know what they looked like and what their genetics were and what their technological levels were, going back to around 40 or 50 thousand years ago. Hyperborean doesn’t begin to characterize the chronology and variety of all these groups. Theres plenty of good reliable science on the subject of prehistoric european cultures. Its not all jewed like these faggots claim.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 3 hours ago
Vagina is sand free. You can’t flex on a superior knowlege of ancient european ancestry when you use terminology from comic books. Faggot.
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PostWallHelena -1 points 4 hours ago
>Antideluvian
There was no great flood. Don’t take your knowlege of history from the book of Genesis. Hyperborean is a term used by ancient greeks/romans to refer to people living far north of them. They didn’t know anything about those people so they made up stories about them which are mostly false.
Many different people lived in northern europe at different times. We know alot about most of them now and we have names for their specific cultures. The last ice age was from 33,000 to 14,000 years ago. Are you proposing that ancient greeks/romans knew anything about aurignacian or gravettian cultures who lived before then? They wouldn’t have had any knowlege of people living before the iron age, which started around 1200 bc.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 4 hours ago
Democrats, who have been run by liberal secular jews for a long time, are trying to differentiate between Israelis and jews. They carried the banner of the holocaust for many years and used it as an weapon against all conservatism as teleologically leading to mass genocide and evil dictators. So identifying jews as the ethnic group responsible for the gaza genocide is very awkward for their intellectuals.
Stupider democrats, like spics and niggers and arabs, don’t mind calling a jew a jew. Imo.
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PostWallHelena 2 points 4 hours ago
The jews loved Persia when they were playing them off against the Babylonians.
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PostWallHelena -1 points 4 hours ago
Hyperboreans sounds retarded. We have proper names for the people of northern europe. Real life is not a Conan epic.
I happen to agree teenagers are collosally dumb and we should raise the voting age to 25 or 30.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 4 hours ago
Clearly theres a range of behavior displayed by mexicans regarding “work ethic”. Some mexicans naturally work hard and some dont. Same is true of whites.
What is relavant is the distribution of that behavior. How hard does the average mexican want to work? How hard does the average white want to work? What is the variation of those distributions? This will determine how much overall work ethic will suffer when you bring in a random sample of mexicans to the US. But Mexican productivity is a good indicator of how that average will move.
People make emotional argument like texasblood ( “ mexicans are good people”)— its cherry picking and irrelevant. Analytically, Mexicans will lower the performance of the US because their genetics determine their behavior. Mexicans don’t want to see that. They think they will magically start producing as much as whites when they cross the border.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 5 hours ago
Yes of course he is willfully trying to misinterpret me. Yes I believe he has a hostile agenda here. Unfortunately the left does not have a monopoly on dishonest debate strategies. Many right wing users on this forum do the same .
Occassionally sal is willing to engage in a good faith debate. He’s pretty much the only consistently liberal user around here so I find it a good excercise to engage with him. The world is full of people that think like him and I believe its more constructive to expose them to the truth (as I perceive it) and present a logical argument to support that POV rather than simply hurl insults at them as a troll under a bridge would. We are pretty insulated here and we need to leave the bubble once in a while to converse with normies.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 5 hours ago
Wahmen-hating is mirror image feminism. Men and women have different priorities. Without a balance of those priorities you get massive dysfunction in both directions.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 6 hours ago
Southern europeans are so tacky.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 6 hours ago
We know exactly what mexicans are like on average because we know what mexico is like and what mexico has always been like. At the group level mexicans produce a crappy country. So do all their relatives in nicaraqua and honduras and panama and belize. The state of those countries reflects the average behavior of those people.
Their poor economic development and high levels of crime and violence are not a function of palm trees or plantains. Its not the result of a series of bad policy decisions by their politicians. Its not caused by communism. Its not caused by lack of democracy or capitalism. Reforming their governments will never fix that problem.
Its just MATH! If you replace half the white people in the US with mexicans, the US will become half way between its former self and mexico. If you replace half of them with people from the Congo you will end up with a country half way between our former glory and the Congo.
If you want to know what a group of people are really like, look at their real country. They will recreate it wherever they go. I don’t want to live in the fucking Congo, or Mexico.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 6 hours ago
There are many mexicans that are hardworking and peaceful. But mexico has always underperformed every white country economically and overperformed every white country in violence and corruption. This is due to the behavior of *the average mexican*, who is less intelligent, less hard working and more corrupt and violent than the average white. You can acknowlege that there are hadworking peaceful mexicans while also observing that their average behavior is *worse* than white behavior (for the purposes of building nice countries.) Both things can be true.
Bringing in any substantial number of mexicans into a white country will bring down the economic performance and prosperity of that white country necessarily. Its not a matter of whether they are nice or affectionate people. We know what their average behavior looks like at the population level: *Mexico*. Relative to the US, its a shitshow (or was before we were overrun by Mexicans and other latinos.) Mexico will never have a legitimate space program or cure cancer. Illegal drugs are a major industry as is true of almost every latin country. Many latino countries are failed states. They can’t build nice countries comparable to white countries. Its not a coincidence that all their governments are corrupt and communist.
The cause of this problem is genetics. Genetics informs behavior. Whites are naturally more conservative. The more mexicans live in the US, the more whites are forced to subsidize them. Is that fair? Only whites deserve white standards of living because only whites are capable of producing them. Mexicans deserve mexican standards of living. They do not deserve a higher standard which they cannot accomplish. Mexicans deserve Mexico, no more and no less.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 7 hours ago
Of course not. Its socratic irony. Its rhetorical. Im demonstrating your inconsistency. Tell me why its okay to break one sexual taboo but not another.
The disgust people have for homosexuality and pedophilia and other aberrant sexual behaviors comes from the same place. Sophisticated societies in history have “overcome” their sexual taboos to accept both pedophilia and homosexuality because they are similar taboos which are increasingly ignored in degenerate cultures. Your belief that accepting homosexuality is okay but accepting pedophilia is bad is arbitrary.
You can’t explain why the “ick” factor you get from homosexuality should be ignored but that same disgust should be attended to when its pedophilia. Your feeling of disgust is the only indication that either is wrong. So how do you differentiate good disgust from bad disgust? You will avoid the question as usually, i predict.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 17 hours ago
>the bible is a work of fiction.
So is the prose edda. But you take it pretty seriously.
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PostWallHelena 0 points 18 hours ago
No it isn’t. No they don’t.
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PostWallHelena 1 point 18 hours ago
It is part of an old roman fortification but the kikes think that area was closest to the holy of holies, the most important part of solomons temple, where yahweh would sit on his mercy seat as a cloud of smoke or something like that.
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