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1950s Era AK-47

submitted by __47__ to Guns 19 hoursJun 18, 2025 17:47:29 ago (+25/-1)     (files.catbox.moe)

https://files.catbox.moe/ip2ugb.jpg

I've always liked them. I know they're not as practical as the AR platform.


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[ - ] uvulectomy 7 points 18 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:21:30 ago (+7/-0)

"I know they're not as practical as the AR platform."

Smug AR Owner: I purchased a $250 forward assist to enhance my rifle's performance.

Drunk AK Owner: I hit rifle with shovel. Rifle work fine now.

[ - ] __47__ [op] 2 points 17 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:29:55 ago (+2/-0)

Lol. I had a AR15. not gonna lie. It was confusing to me. I'm likely just daft. Charging ports? What's that little button on the right side do?

[ - ] uvulectomy 4 points 16 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:28:43 ago (+4/-0)

"What's that little button on the right side do?"

Makes things worse 9 times outta 10. "This will force the bolt closed so I'm gonna do that even if it's not the right thing to do when gun not go bang."

It's only there because retarded Army grunts wanted a button to push in case things went wrong. A solution in search of a problem, really.

[ - ] __47__ [op] 1 point 16 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:31:45 ago (+1/-0)

Damn. Figures really.

[ - ] SilentByAssociation 0 points 9 hoursJun 19, 2025 03:57:12 ago (+0/-0)

Very rarely has it come in handy, but in some circumstances, very few and far between, it does. When God and Eugene Stoner first created the platform, there was no forward assist. Hear it from the man himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=803&v=nD0jVBYX7wU

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nD0jVBYX7wU&t=803

[ - ] Consensus_Reality 2 points 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:00:10 ago (+2/-0)

Drunk AK Owner: I hit rifle with shovel. Rifle work fine now.

Why would an AK owner have a shovel when he typically uses his rifle as a shovel?

[ - ] uvulectomy 2 points 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:03:19 ago (+2/-0)

Because sometimes you have to dig while shooting, so it helps to have a spare.

[ - ] Consensus_Reality 0 points 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:04:11 ago (+0/-0)

Digging with an AK can only help to improve it's accuracy.

[ - ] JudyStroyer 0 points 11 hoursJun 19, 2025 01:43:23 ago (+0/-0)

Check this guy out, the original page is down where he documented his work in detail, here is a link with a brief overview. He made an ak out if a shovel. He dubbed it the shitshovel ak.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/11/26/turning-a-shovel-into-a-ak/

Og link
https://everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/11/27/shit-shovel-ak-47/

[ - ] 2plus2equals5 1 point 12 hoursJun 19, 2025 01:14:42 ago (+1/-0)

Repair kit included: Duct tape, super glue, big hammer, file, hose to siphon oil from somewhere.

[ - ] BulletStopper 0 points 9 hoursJun 19, 2025 03:33:07 ago (+0/-0)

"I hit rifle with shovel. Rifle work fine now."

"Нет товарища. You can have shovel. Or you can have rifle. You can NOT have BOTH."

"Because now shovel IS rifle!"

https://imgur.com/gallery/old-gold-build-own-ak-47-from-shovel-TspVw

(Original thread from 2012: https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-photo-tsunami-warning.179192/ )

"Это хорошо, да?"

[ - ] con77 5 points 17 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:48:39 ago (+5/-0)

Machined
Not stamped

[ - ] __47__ [op] 3 points 17 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:49:49 ago (+3/-0)

Can you elaborate? I'm not following unfortunately.

[ - ] ruck_feddit 4 points 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:57:23 ago (+4/-0)

In this context, stamped or machined typically describes how the receiver was made.

Stamped is pressing or rolling sheet metal into the desired shape. This is cheaper, and the parts are made with less precision.

Machined is when you carve something out of a block of metal. It's more expensive, but the parts are usually stronger, more precise, and more durable.

[ - ] autotic 0 points 12 hoursJun 19, 2025 01:18:32 ago (+0/-0)

Not to get too Chesnekov but stamped AK patterns are fine. Certainly fine for civilian defense small arms. "80% rider, 20% bike."

I have a buddy who was 82ndA and he would go outside the wire, kill a haji for his AKM, and then fight with the AKM because he liked it more than the weapon he was issued. A lot of times the hajis would take their shot, drop the rifle, and run because shooting an unarmed guerrilla is a war crime. He called them donor AKs.

[ - ] Consensus_Reality 2 points 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:03:22 ago (+2/-0)

It's a reference to the fact that AR receivers are machined out of blocks of aluminum while AKs are stamped out sheets of steel peeled from the sides of German Tiger tanks. (I may have made up the part about the Tiger tanks....)

[ - ] hylo 2 points 14 hoursJun 18, 2025 23:21:23 ago (+2/-0)

That is an AK which is machined, they are first gen AKs. Most AKs you see are actually AKMs which are stamped, those have the funny looking diagonal cut on the front of the barrel (it's a very basic compesator). Machined means you take a block of metal and carve it out, essentially. While this makes sturdy receivers, they are also heavy, expensive, wasteful and wear out tooling.

So AKMs are stamped, where a thick sheet metal is pressed into shape by a hydraulic press. Then they are riveted/welded to the rest of the parts, which are machined. This was better cost wise and still retained most of the strength. It was also lighter. The thing about war guns is that they need to be cheap so they can be made en masse and quickly. Most guns outlive their operators in war and don't get to fire many rounds before they end up in the dirt besides them. They didn't need to be amazing quality.

Before the AK it's true that some guns weren't that great durability wise, like the SVT-40 and Gewehr 43. Those tore themselves apart. They cracked receivers because they weren't built strong enough for the full size cartridge coming from the Mosin and the KAR 98. Then they switch to intermediate cartridges which made those guns obsolete anyway. The full size cartridges were not really necessary as most engagements occurred at shorter ranges, so that's how we got the intermediate cartridge. More recently I hear the US went back to a bigger cartridge as in Afghanistan they were getting into longer range firefights and body armor got better.

The AR is indeed machined, but it's machined from aluminum. It's not really stampable and the aluminum is soft enough to not wear out tools so much. But it's a completely different gun, the manufacturing method has a lot less to do with anything rather than the design. Round for round I don't actually know which will last longer but I would put my money on the AK, mostly because it's made of steel. I think the aluminum receiver on the AR wears out quicker. So I think the AKM even though it's stamped, will outlast an AR.

[ - ] autotic 1 point 12 hoursJun 19, 2025 01:21:05 ago (+1/-0)

I rarely upvote. This i remembered to do it.

[ - ] NoRefunds 0 points 4 hoursJun 19, 2025 09:01:56 ago (+0/-0)

That is an AK which is machined

no it's not. edges aren't square and there are rivets above the magazine.

I think the aluminum receiver on the AR wears out quicker

no it won't

stick both of them under water and see which one is still there after 5 years.

[ - ] hylo 0 points 3 hoursJun 19, 2025 09:57:38 ago (+0/-0)

That might be one of the first ones produced if it's stamped. It was designed to be stamped but they had issues with that and went to milled for a while.

Why would you stick your rifle in the water for 5 years??? Also the AR has plenty of steel in it to rust. Since you never actually did that, or have a source, you're just yapping.

And I was referring to steel rubbing on aluminum vs steel on steel. If you wanna go scuba diving grab a harpoon gun.

[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 16 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:34:45 ago (+1/-0)

Getman weapon. Schmeisser designed this while a slave in ussr post war.

But was built for peace time rather than the wartime stg44.

Also clearly has Soviet design choices.

[ - ] 2plus2equals5 0 points 12 hoursJun 19, 2025 01:09:06 ago (+0/-0)

The gun sites all insist it wasn't copied from German or US design..and completely original.
(but same gas system, rotating bolt, etc.)
The PKM slowed down rate of fire and extended barrel length to almost match the STG-44.

Like an ICBM isn't copied from a V-1. History is what it is.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 1 point 16 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:35:58 ago (+1/-0)

The AK is stamped which negates the crucial tolerances that machining accounts for but for that reason a grain of sand won't lock up the bolt carrier or charge ports...
but there is a cost to mass production stamping and that is consistent trajectory due to barrel
flex and ballistic resonance...the AK will tight group within 400yrds, possibly 500 whereas the AR will group 6" at 800yrds...but one thing about the AR is that if the platform is exposed to direct sunlight to the point of metal expansion the action will malfunction whereas the AK or SKS won't...what many don't understand is that in the area of firearms the consistent tolerances have to be within .4000" or else nothing is going to work.

[ - ] ruck_feddit 2 points 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:02:14 ago (+2/-0)

Without going to check, I'm 99% sure the SKS I lost in that boating accident was milled. Heavier of course, but a much more robust rifle than the AKs I lost in that other boating accident. None were hitting anything at 500 yards

[ - ] Consensus_Reality 1 point 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:10:36 ago (+1/-0)

< ...I lost in that boating accident...

Do you really think that when the ZOGbots show up at your door — having gone to all that time and effort — they will be dissuaded from black-bagging you simply because you tell them you no longer have a rifle?

[ - ] ruck_feddit 0 points 14 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:54:40 ago (+0/-0)

Do you think so, in Minecraft?

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 0 points 11 hoursJun 19, 2025 02:15:34 ago (+0/-0)

If you lost a milled Siminov you're place in purgatory is overdue...question, was the barrel fluted and the "clip well" modified to receive a mag?...if not it's more likely that it was a stamp...oh yeah, did you have a scope on it and was the mount configured to the carrier housing right near the safety lever/switch or an integrated picatiny rail above the receiver/breech area?

[ - ] Storefront 4 points 18 hoursJun 18, 2025 18:28:27 ago (+4/-0)

Gorgeous

[ - ] __47__ [op] 1 point 18 hoursJun 18, 2025 18:29:54 ago (+1/-0)

Indeed. The one I had didn't have the wood accents which I didn't like but it was so much fun to shoot.

[ - ] MuricaPersonified 2 points 18 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:05:08 ago (+2/-0)

I adore the 7.62x39 cartridge. Such a practical little thumper. IMO, firing it through the AK platform is one of the most wonderful recoil impulses you'll ever feel and hear. Doesn't feel nearly as good going down the pipe of an SKS.

[ - ] __47__ [op] 3 points 18 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:09:18 ago (+3/-0)

Agreed. I love the sound.

My exes father had a communist era Russian sks and that thing was a dream. I offered to buy it but he said nope. Still had the star and everything.

[ - ] MuricaPersonified 2 points 18 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:13:44 ago (+2/-0)

Mine's a 50s Romanian with blade-style bayonet. It'd be worth quite a bit if its beautiful red stock didn't have a crack. It's cosmetic though; still a great shooter. It'd probably fetch 5-600. They're not $99 barrel guns anymore, but good ones can still be bought reasonably, with some variants fetching vastly higher prices.

[ - ] AlexanderMorose13 2 points 16 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:03:17 ago (+2/-0)

They've had this gun get run over by enemy tanks, grabbed it, and pulled the bolt back, and it still fired well enough to take down targets.

AKs are truly mechanical works of art. There's a reason why kings and emperors take photographs of themselves holding this gun. It's a gun with proven reliability.

[ - ] Moravian 1 point 17 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:50:45 ago (+1/-0)

How about a VZ-58? You can clean it in the river and come out shooting.

[ - ] __47__ [op] 1 point 17 hoursJun 18, 2025 19:55:55 ago (+1/-0)

What's the difference?

[ - ] Moravian 1 point 2 hoursJun 19, 2025 10:31:30 ago (+1/-0)

The VZ-58 has a short stroke gas chamber making it much more accurate than an AK and it's Czech made. There are a few videos out there comparing the 2.

[ - ] SithEmpire 1 point 15 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:57:51 ago (+1/-0)

Empirically superior form really, clearly followed the success of the Sturmgewehr 44.

[ - ] hylo 0 points 14 hoursJun 18, 2025 23:02:25 ago (+0/-0)

Not practical? They are very practical. The ergonomics on the AK are much better than the AR. You can reload it without taking your hand off the pistol grip, letting you do all that with one hand.

The AR requires you to switch hands while you reload it to cock the charging handle, while you awkwardly try to hold it against your shoulder. Or you can try to use your left hand to charge it and punch yourself in the face while you awkwardly try to catch the nub with the edge of your palm. The charging handle also doesn't tolerate lateral forces and binds easily when you try to do this.

The AR needs to be clean to run well, the AK is more tolerant. Not to say the AR is bad. It's quite configurable, and you can make it very light. They can be made 1 MOA relatively easily with the right parts. It's hard to make an AK light, customization usually adds a ton of weight to it and you're stuck with the barrel it comes with.

I have an AR, I quite like it. It's very light, has a pencil barrel. I made it to be light and portable, I don't like heavy guns. But I like AKs, especially if I have to use irons. I wouldn't want an AK that has been made "super tactical" as it will probably weigh 10 kilos and break your back, optics excluded.

[ - ] JudyStroyer 0 points 11 hoursJun 19, 2025 01:37:46 ago (+0/-0)

Ak>ar imo for needing to fuck shit up within 100yds. Not technically better, just purely from a joy perspective.