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Programming is as Dead a career as Graphic Art

submitted by Belfuro to TellUpgoat 20 hoursJun 16, 2025 19:18:37 ago (+27/-0)     (TellUpgoat)

My background is now exactly 20 years full time programming.
I'm currently a senior developer on a good income.

And I am posting this to tell of the change.

The latest ai model, claude sonnet 4, plus visual studio code agent mode. Has made software developers obsolete.

It can code more in an hour than i can in a week. Trust me, i did not want this to be true. It aggrieved me to see years of study so casually outshone.

What does the future hold?
Developers will migrate into "AI editors " roles or be sacked. Running multiple AI at once. Relegated to system architects and supervisors.

So seniors like me are in a good place. Intermediates and juniors are fucked.

My prediction is that we will witness many thousands of developers laid off. 1 senior will do the work of an entire team.

The market will get flooded with new saas built in weeks as opposed to years it took competitors.

I have begun my transistion from the dead industry to the new.
I recommend all fellow upgoat devs start immediately to do the same.


47 comments block


[ - ] Trope 5 points 17 hoursJun 16, 2025 22:22:01 ago (+5/-0)

In my humble opinion, there’s nothing new to be coded. Everything is a framework and piggybacks off decades of real talent.

We’ve hit a peak with computers. These days, the newest operating systems sport unnecessary features no one asked for. Windows 11 made the remarkable and brave change of moving the task bar start button to the middle of the screen. Truly a marvel of modern development.

I got my start as a network fag. Back in school for a more rewarding career. I truly hope to never see another computer as long as I live as a major life goal.

[ - ] hylo 2 points 12 hoursJun 17, 2025 03:43:43 ago (+2/-0)

What are you pivoting to? I was thinking electrician. I can't imagine robots running wires through houses.

[ - ] Trope 2 points 6 hoursJun 17, 2025 09:44:42 ago (+2/-0)

Medical Doctor. I figure it’s just school, school, and more school. That time is going to pass anyway and my best friend and I have a growing profitable business. So just going to grind away until I get there.

Then go rogue and heal people with meat, salt, sunshine, and exercise. And when I’m an old man, I’ll shoot all my buddies in the ass with testosterone. Figure it’s silly to become the master of transient technologies made by big evil corporations grinding cert after cert. if I’m going to be troubleshooting systems, it may as well be ones I care about.

[ - ] hylo 0 points 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:28:53 ago (+0/-0)

Man, I can't imagine spending the next 10 years in school but if you have a business that sustains you that's something else. I still wouldn't go to school, I never liked it. It was a mistake even trying for me, I wish I went into trades right away out of high-school I could have done anything.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 4 hoursJun 17, 2025 11:03:28 ago (+0/-0)

Tech school for six weeks could help get you into a trades job.

Usually a lot cheaper than a "university".

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 4 hoursJun 17, 2025 11:05:30 ago (+0/-0)

Looking forward to seeing "Doctor Trope's Testosterone Factory"

Hope there's a gym attached to your office.

[ - ] Hobama 0 points 4 hoursJun 17, 2025 11:49:14 ago (+0/-0)

Not worthwhile. Its a nightmare to navigate and the costs are astronomical. The payoff is minimal unless you go to something like surgery. You would make more being an electrician.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 8 hoursJun 17, 2025 06:59:18 ago (+0/-0)

Use your hands and brain and you'll be fine.

Electrician, plumber, HVAC.

If you're mechanically able, cars will always need service. Carpentry should also be safe.

[ - ] Trope 1 point 6 hoursJun 17, 2025 09:48:29 ago (+1/-0)

While I agree with you on cars and the necessity of skilled workers, I’ve never met a mechanic who wasn’t dirt poor. Best thing you can do would be to own the shop. Same for lawn care. Everyone needs lawn care but you don’t want to be the wagie mowing lawns unless it’s the start of your own enterprise.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 4 hoursJun 17, 2025 11:01:09 ago (+0/-0)

I should have mentioned that caveat: if you do not need certification or special licensing for your business, you should be able to start your own.

Might be best to get some experience first for HVAC, plumbing and electrical, lessens the chance of costly fuck-ups.

[ - ] Autismo 0 points 8 hoursJun 17, 2025 07:15:35 ago (+0/-0)

Medical field duh . Pays the most. Not this blue collar bullshit where competition is too high and pay is low.

[ - ] NeverHappened 2 points 6 hoursJun 17, 2025 09:00:50 ago (+2/-0)

I wish I had chosen something outside of the medical field. It sucks. Also AI will be taking over most of the rolls in healthcare too, thankfully.

[ - ] Trope 0 points 6 hoursJun 17, 2025 09:46:06 ago (+0/-0)

This is exactly right. I have good credit, a comfortable career, and nothing but time. So doctor is the goal.

[ - ] shitface9000 0 points 6 minutesJun 17, 2025 15:45:22 ago (+0/-0)

There’s plenty of innovation to be discovered. Most people can’t think creatively. In fact your dire forecast demonstrates your own lack of imagination.

[ - ] Crackinjokes 4 points 16 hoursJun 16, 2025 23:37:17 ago (+4/-0)

Yes totally agree. It's also true for those in the movie production industry. It's also true for those in any kind of artistic creation industry. It's partly true for songwriters and jingle creators all those someone still has the own the copyright and that has not been worked out yet. I'll tell you something else appraisers of all type are going to see their jobs go by. I put the picture of a painting I bought at a thrift shop in the chat GPT and it gave me the history of that painting the possible artist the conditions of the canvas ask me how I wanted to Market it and all kinds of other things all in an instant better than any human art appraiser could ever have done and with a lot more technical and written backup.

And don't forget that robots are as a district as dexterious as humans now so even the manual labor jobs like plumbing and electrical work and things like that when hooked to the artificial intelligence you're not really going to even need those manual dexterous laborers to do that work after a very short period of time I suspect that will follow about 2 years after everybody loses their other jobs.

Oh and the Tesla robo taxis are now operating without anybody in the car in Austin Texas and it'll be very short period of time before they are in every city in America which not only means that Uber drivers are going to lose their job but it also means car salesman are going to lose their job because not nearly as many people are going to want to buy a car when it's just as cheap and convenient to order a Tesla to take you wherever you want to go.

The world's going to change in drastic ways and they're not going to be as many people needed on Earth and of course the nice thing would be for someone to figure out a way for all the people who don't have to work anymore to get an income from it all but we know that won't happen. What we know is the monopolist who will figure out a way to own it all quote unquote? We'll just say well all those extra people don't need to be there so they'll give us more injections and have more wars to get rid of a soul.

And that's my optimistic take on the whole situation.

[ - ] dassar 0 points 12 hoursJun 17, 2025 03:51:55 ago (+0/-0)

Building Trades my man.

[ - ] dalai_llama 4 points 19 hoursJun 16, 2025 19:57:31 ago (+4/-0)

Oof, can't even say "learn to code" anymore.

[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 18 hoursJun 16, 2025 21:27:26 ago (+1/-0)

If you only learned to protest like those in the blue cities, you'd be rolling in money.

[ - ] hylo 2 points 12 hoursJun 17, 2025 03:42:25 ago (+2/-0)*

So now I can finally make all those SaaS products I dreamed about but didn't have the money or charisma to recruit people?

Also I wanted to make games when I was a kid but ended up in web dev.

Also I've been unemployed for 2 years now and trying to find work is like begging for money at a stop light.

[ - ] Belfuro [op] 1 point 12 hoursJun 17, 2025 03:46:46 ago (+1/-0)

I am using free chat gpt 4.1 to write the entirety of a unity mplayer game right now.

Part of my upskilling.

You just have to know the architecture to use or at least a design.

[ - ] hylo 0 points 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:26:19 ago (+0/-0)

Nice, how far are you along? I started a few projects myself but never finished them. Never got far enough to hook me and never found enough time to give it the work they really needed.

[ - ] Sector2 1 point 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 09:54:52 ago (+1/-0)

Figure out what people in your area want and will spend money on. Supply that.

[ - ] MeyerLansky 1 point 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:10:21 ago (+1/-0)

Like crack?

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:21:09 ago (+0/-0)

Like crack, but with lower risk and a higher class of clients. Whatever it is, it should be something you can be passionate about or you won't have the energy or inclination to fully go with it.

[ - ] glooper 2 points 19 hoursJun 16, 2025 20:16:00 ago (+2/-0)*

I hear ya.

I'm a shitty programmer. Like on a scale of 1 to 10, like a 2... HTML, some JavaScript and that is it.

Started doing VR development and need to know C#. Can't do crap in VR dev without knowing how to write c#.

Started with chatgtp coding. Tt was shyt. Lots of hallucinations that befuddled me since I don't know what I am looking at.

Switch over to claude with sonnet 3.7 (free layer) and bang. Two, one shot fixes within hours and now I learned to run multiple chats and cut and paste results between them and can get fixes for just about anything I need, up to high-midlevel stuff.

I haven't even gotten to sonnet 4.0 yet. I've learned to write really good use cases and functional specs and just feed it into the machine.

By the time sonnet 7 hits, even experienced high level programmers are out of a job.


Programmers are doomed. Well, we all are now that Plantier is up and running... Wait till that thing starts parsing through our lives in minute detail at the speed of light.

Edit: Got access to the Meta lambda for coding. It works really well as well.



[ - ] Love240 0 points 19 hoursJun 16, 2025 20:34:55 ago (+0/-0)

Are there any like that which run locally?

[ - ] puremadness 0 points 17 hoursJun 16, 2025 22:48:17 ago (+0/-0)

yea they all run locally somewhere, you just need some GPU under a hood somewhere

[ - ] Love240 0 points 13 hoursJun 17, 2025 02:28:33 ago (+0/-0)

Claude Sonnet 3.7 is not on huggingface.co is why I ask.

[ - ] puremadness 0 points 17 hoursJun 16, 2025 22:47:45 ago (+0/-0)

C# isn't that hard.

[ - ] Belfuro [op] 0 points 15 hoursJun 17, 2025 00:23:47 ago (+0/-0)

The leap from 3.7 to 4 is massive.

That is what broke the industry imho.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 9 hoursJun 17, 2025 06:42:57 ago (+1/-0)

Did design, did programming, now to work with one's hands.

What path are you pivoting to? It almost feels "learn to code" was pushed just to give those struggling some false hope.

[ - ] rapid_water 1 point 10 hoursJun 17, 2025 05:44:39 ago (+1/-0)

While this is true where will you go? Going to be a plumber or electrician and work on the homes of the programmers that were recently laid off?

I don't think think anything is safe from the AI apocalypse.

[ - ] xmasskull 1 point 18 hoursJun 16, 2025 21:41:44 ago (+1/-0)

Most likely the higher paid Emp's. will be sacrificed.

[ - ] NoRefunds 1 point 18 hoursJun 16, 2025 21:08:06 ago (+1/-0)

programming is dead

use AI to program even more

write a program that is amazing with it, use it to make tons of money

I don't see what your issue is. Also, platform integration and project management is always in huge demand, especially for construction. Write the new prima Vera or sap Hana...

[ - ] Belfuro [op] 0 points 15 hoursJun 17, 2025 00:21:13 ago (+0/-0)

I didn't claim there was an issue.

My post was intended to help goats not be left behind by this industrial revolution and a warning gor those considering a new career in coding.

[ - ] Stonkmar 1 point 18 hoursJun 16, 2025 20:59:44 ago (+1/-0)

Video editing for me. I have a physical backup job that cannot be AI replaced but the money isn't there...yet.
Curious what your new industry is, are you going with AI editor or something else?

[ - ] Belfuro [op] 0 points 15 hoursJun 17, 2025 00:22:53 ago (+0/-0)

Oh running multiple ai to work on the solutions.

I create the specs.

They enact.

I review and handle the collaboration. Azure devops etc.

Plus coach the ai when it goes off on a tangent

[ - ] qwop 0 points 14 hoursJun 17, 2025 01:32:19 ago (+0/-0)*

But AI code is so bad. It's like coding with an over enthusiastic pajeet. It produces code, sure, but it's almost always sub optimal and you constantly have to correct it and guide it. It's more like a snippet generator.

I predict in the near future we're going to have a lot of really serious bugs in most of our software. Everything will be slightly shittier to use, because of the AI crutch the human IQ barrier to entry is now lower than ever, meaning more people that do not know what they are doing will get assigned to ever higher levels of critical software.

[ - ] registered_bot 0 points 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:37:06 ago (+0/-0)

I realized this a couple months ago. I took a couple CS classes in college. Very much a beginner, but have a solid grasp of computers, network, and technology.

I began making software that was at an advanced level with AI. It felt like I was managing a team of junior developers. I can spin up whatever piece of software I want/need now and run it.

I've made my own advanced firewall, CAD software, and .pdf viewer/editor. You can literally make your own software right now with AI in a few hours.

[ - ] ShortbusAlcoholic 0 points 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 09:53:03 ago (+0/-0)

You learned to code, so you're smart enough to learn how to be a factory worker in ZoGnald or Elon's manufacturing plants they are supposedly going to start building any day now. Or maybe you can stock shelves at a walmart, they are always hiring.

[ - ] SilentByAssociation 0 points 7 hoursJun 17, 2025 07:56:56 ago (+0/-0)

My job should be safe for the next 5-10 years, but I've had an interest in being a machinist. I've got at least one machine shop close by presently, and a place to learn machining. The three CNC/CAD classes available are $5,500 and less (down to $3,500), so if/when people start being replaced I'll have time to fall back on something.

[ - ] CoronaHoax 0 points 8 hoursJun 17, 2025 07:03:00 ago (+0/-0)

I haven’t coded a new thing, ever. It’s always been maintenance on shit so difficult my job existed because the previous guy couldn’t hack it. AI wouldn’t know what the fuck to do there.

No programmer let alone QA or PMs would know what to prompt it to solve those problems.

All these people saying AI will take programmers jobs. I don’t know how they will but go ahead and try.

[ - ] boogeyman 1 point 7 hoursJun 17, 2025 08:40:16 ago (+1/-0)

I also work on a legacy system, and so far AI is unable to do much with it. It might be easier to just write a new system with AI.

[ - ] registered_bot 1 point 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:41:29 ago (+1/-0)

You'd be surprised, and if you're using a dumb AI it won't be able to help. I could almost guarantee if you fed it into the $250 a month chatgpt it would fix it instantly. Very few people understand the strength of that expensive gpt subscription.

[ - ] ArcturianDeathTrap 0 points 11 hoursJun 17, 2025 04:39:44 ago (+0/-0)

Why didnt you see that coming in 1999?

[ - ] Isaacjan -1 points 10 hoursJun 17, 2025 04:58:39 ago (+0/-1)

Then hurry up and kill yourself, obsolete boomer. Hurry. Do it now. AI made you as useless as you already were. Kill yourself now and save yourself the pain.

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 5 hoursJun 17, 2025 10:00:44 ago (+0/-0)

You know we retired almost 30 years ago, right?