From the looks of your post you probably have even little familiarity with the material. There is a psychology behind riots for example, especially when passions are aflame. Donald Horowitz is a notable authority there. Basically if it starts in one place it emboldens others to riot elsewhere. Some of it is spontaneous, dudes looking to loot free shit. This can be the follow-on from revolutionists starting shit for political reasons. Then you have crowd psychology as discussed by Gustave Le Bon as far back as over a century ago. Different peoples are susceptible to rioting depending on things like weather conditions or social situations, specific problems with society. Really, this is pretty academic stuff. You'd do better to study it more than posture with your superiority pose.
Temp ban lifted. Watch it though. It all starts with respect. If you come in calling me an idiot because I have a different opinion it isn't going to end well.
If you are in denial about the rampant use of agent provocateurs while espousing the equivalent of "Psychology Today" not takes on protest/riot psychology... then go ahead and put on the shoe that fits.
Are you suggesting that agent provocateurs aren't being used regularly by state and corporate actors?
If so, not only are you not a serious person, you aren't even capable of conceiving how to be serious.
The use of agent provocateurs—individuals who infiltrate movements to provoke or commit illegal acts that discredit the group, justify state repression, or serve corporate interests—is a documented and long-standing tactic used by both state and corporate actors around the world. Below is a list of confirmed examples followed by plausible but unconfirmed cases that, with the benefit of hindsight, raise serious suspicion.
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🔒 CONFIRMED CASES: STATE AND CORPORATE USE OF AGENT PROVOCATEURS
🛑 United States
1. COINTELPRO (FBI, 1956–1971)
FBI infiltrated and disrupted groups like the Black Panthers, SDS, American Indian Movement, and civil rights organizations. Used agents to sow distrust, provoke violence, and entrap leaders. Example: FBI infiltrator William O'Neal provided intel that led to Fred Hampton’s assassination.
2. Seattle WTO Protests (1999)
Allegations and some photographic evidence suggest that masked provocateurs escalated protests into violent riots, leading to police crackdown. Later declassified documents show police infiltration of protest groups.
3. 2007 Montebello, Quebec (Canada but affecting U.S. interests)
Police admitted planting undercover officers disguised as protestors during a North American Leaders’ Summit protest. Video showed "protestors" wearing police-issue boots and carrying rocks.
4. Occupy Wall Street (2011)
FOIA requests revealed that the FBI coordinated with Wall Street firms and local police to monitor and infiltrate Occupy. Infiltrators reportedly tried to provoke more radical action to justify arrests.
5. Standing Rock Protests (2016)
TigerSwan (a private security firm working for Dakota Access Pipeline) used military-style tactics and infiltrators to provoke divisions within protest camps. FBI and local police were also involved in infiltration.
6. J20 Protests (Trump Inauguration, 2017)
Infiltrators and use of mass arrests. Some undercover agents attempted to incite more militant protest behavior to justify heavy charges.
14 men charged in kidnapping plot; later revelations show that FBI agents and informants played a significant role in organizing and escalating the plot. Defense argued it was entrapment.
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🌍 International Examples
8. G8 Protests, Genoa, Italy (2001)
Italian police admitted to planting Molotov cocktails in a school used by protestors to justify a violent raid. Agents provoked riots, and later trials confirmed abuse and planted evidence.
9. UK: Mark Kennedy Case (2003–2010)
British undercover officer Mark Kennedy infiltrated environmental and anarchist movements for 7 years. He helped plan criminal actions, raising accusations of state-led incitement.
10. South Africa Marikana Massacre (2012)
Evidence suggests police provocateurs were used to escalate a wildcat miners' strike. 34 miners were killed by police; corporate interests (Lonmin) coordinated with police.
11. Russia: Protests and Opposition Movements
Numerous activists claim infiltration by provocateurs, especially during Navalny protests. Agents provoke vandalism or violence to justify mass arrests.
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🧨 U.S. Capitol Riot (January 6, 2021)
Some argue FBI or other state actors might have allowed or incited events to spiral for political reasons. Ray Epps, a protestor caught on video urging people to breach the Capitol but not charged early on, became central to conspiracies. Congressional investigations found no evidence of formal provocation, but ambiguity remains.
🔥 George Floyd Protests (2020)
"Umbrella Man" in Minneapolis smashed windows at AutoZone early in protests, linked to white supremacist groups trying to incite chaos. No official link to police, but many protestors claimed agent provocateurs escalated protests into riots, justifying military response.
🏴 BLM vs. Boogaloo vs. Antifa (2020)
Several arrests of Boogaloo Bois posing as BLM or Antifa to provoke violence. Intelligence suggested both domestic extremists and potential federal agents escalated violence in cities like Portland and Kenosha.
🧑⚖️ 1968 DNC Protests (Chicago)
Provocateurs suspected in riots that gave rise to the term "police riot." Later hearings found Chicago PD and FBI had extensive informant networks, possibly escalating unrest to discredit antiwar left.
---
💼 Corporate Actors Using Provocateurs (Directly or via State Collusion)
1. Pinkerton Agents (19th–20th Century)
Hired by corporations like Carnegie Steel and railroads to infiltrate unions and provoke violence. Led to bloody confrontations like the Homestead Strike (1892).
2. Nestlé/Exxon/Chevron (Global South)
Hired paramilitaries or local security forces to infiltrate and violently suppress environmental and labor activists. Often used third-party contractors to distance from provocations.
3. Walmart/Target (Modern Labor Activism)
Accused of hiring security firms to infiltrate and disrupt unionization efforts. Tactics include instigating infighting and tracking employee organizers.
4. Uber (2010s)
Used "Greyball" software to evade law enforcement and possibly used fake riders or agents to disrupt competitor services.
Antifa Labeling in U.S.
Many violent acts blamed on "Antifa" with no credible links; some may be right-wing agitators or infiltrators looking to discredit left-wing movements.
Environmental Sabotage
Eco-activists blamed for arson or sabotage; some claims later shown to be exaggerated or based on agent provocateur involvement.
Cyber Operations and Anonymous
State actors have reportedly infiltrated hacking groups like Anonymous or LulzSec to provoke illegal actions, then crack down on them publicly.
Arab Spring (Certain Countries)
While many uprisings were grassroots, some protest escalations (e.g. in Egypt or Bahrain) showed signs of state or foreign manipulation to create pretext for crackdowns.
Hong Kong Protests
Mainland Chinese authorities accused of deploying agents to incite vandalism and violence, undermining the movement’s peaceful goals.
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🧾 CONCLUSION
The historical and ongoing use of agent provocateurs reveals a troubling pattern of:
Manufactured threats to justify surveillance, repression, or military response. Corporate sabotage of grassroots and labor movements. Psychological warfare on domestic populations to discredit dissent.
While not every protest or activist action involves provocateurs, the tactic is frequent enough—and often effective enough—that its use in modern conflicts should always be considered, especially when:
Violence arises suddenly from an otherwise peaceful group. Arrested individuals quickly disappear or are never charged. The event conveniently serves the interests of the state or powerful entities.
The fact that you leave this out of your dialogue shows exactly how and why you are not serious. You're a clown.
No. This whole thing started over you implying I'm stupid after I copy-pasted text from an article.
Here's what commenced:
1. You, apparently not even reading the relevant material, and thus probably also unaware that I was pasting text, suggested I was stupid.
2. You then overtly called me stupid for asserting the OP has relevance or is serious, stating not mentioning provocateurs made me stupid. I still haven't spoken to provocateurs one way or another. I will now though: it, in addition to the stuff I've posted, is among things to consider.
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You could have just read the link. Then at minimum you would have realized I was pasting. At most, you could blame me for not using quotes. But that hardly legitimizes this nonsensical flurry of insults and your admitted ignorance in flexing with a superiority pose.
So yeah, pretty fucking unserious. Just read or not read. I don't give a fuck. But the incivility was totally out of line from the get go!
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Agent provocateurs are the norm and that is the ingredient you are intentionally leaving out.
Retard.
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You're not a serious person.
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Are you suggesting that agent provocateurs aren't being used regularly by state and corporate actors?
If so, not only are you not a serious person, you aren't even capable of conceiving how to be serious.
The use of agent provocateurs—individuals who infiltrate movements to provoke or commit illegal acts that discredit the group, justify state repression, or serve corporate interests—is a documented and long-standing tactic used by both state and corporate actors around the world. Below is a list of confirmed examples followed by plausible but unconfirmed cases that, with the benefit of hindsight, raise serious suspicion.
---
🔒 CONFIRMED CASES: STATE AND CORPORATE USE OF AGENT PROVOCATEURS
🛑 United States
1. COINTELPRO (FBI, 1956–1971)
FBI infiltrated and disrupted groups like the Black Panthers, SDS, American Indian Movement, and civil rights organizations.
Used agents to sow distrust, provoke violence, and entrap leaders.
Example: FBI infiltrator William O'Neal provided intel that led to Fred Hampton’s assassination.
2. Seattle WTO Protests (1999)
Allegations and some photographic evidence suggest that masked provocateurs escalated protests into violent riots, leading to police crackdown.
Later declassified documents show police infiltration of protest groups.
3. 2007 Montebello, Quebec (Canada but affecting U.S. interests)
Police admitted planting undercover officers disguised as protestors during a North American Leaders’ Summit protest.
Video showed "protestors" wearing police-issue boots and carrying rocks.
4. Occupy Wall Street (2011)
FOIA requests revealed that the FBI coordinated with Wall Street firms and local police to monitor and infiltrate Occupy.
Infiltrators reportedly tried to provoke more radical action to justify arrests.
5. Standing Rock Protests (2016)
TigerSwan (a private security firm working for Dakota Access Pipeline) used military-style tactics and infiltrators to provoke divisions within protest camps.
FBI and local police were also involved in infiltration.
6. J20 Protests (Trump Inauguration, 2017)
Infiltrators and use of mass arrests. Some undercover agents attempted to incite more militant protest behavior to justify heavy charges.
7. Michigan Militia/Whitmer Kidnapping Plot (2020)
14 men charged in kidnapping plot; later revelations show that FBI agents and informants played a significant role in organizing and escalating the plot.
Defense argued it was entrapment.
---
🌍 International Examples
8. G8 Protests, Genoa, Italy (2001)
Italian police admitted to planting Molotov cocktails in a school used by protestors to justify a violent raid.
Agents provoked riots, and later trials confirmed abuse and planted evidence.
9. UK: Mark Kennedy Case (2003–2010)
British undercover officer Mark Kennedy infiltrated environmental and anarchist movements for 7 years.
He helped plan criminal actions, raising accusations of state-led incitement.
10. South Africa Marikana Massacre (2012)
Evidence suggests police provocateurs were used to escalate a wildcat miners' strike.
34 miners were killed by police; corporate interests (Lonmin) coordinated with police.
11. Russia: Protests and Opposition Movements
Numerous activists claim infiltration by provocateurs, especially during Navalny protests.
Agents provoke vandalism or violence to justify mass arrests.
---
🧨 U.S. Capitol Riot (January 6, 2021)
Some argue FBI or other state actors might have allowed or incited events to spiral for political reasons.
Ray Epps, a protestor caught on video urging people to breach the Capitol but not charged early on, became central to conspiracies.
Congressional investigations found no evidence of formal provocation, but ambiguity remains.
🔥 George Floyd Protests (2020)
"Umbrella Man" in Minneapolis smashed windows at AutoZone early in protests, linked to white supremacist groups trying to incite chaos.
No official link to police, but many protestors claimed agent provocateurs escalated protests into riots, justifying military response.
🏴 BLM vs. Boogaloo vs. Antifa (2020)
Several arrests of Boogaloo Bois posing as BLM or Antifa to provoke violence.
Intelligence suggested both domestic extremists and potential federal agents escalated violence in cities like Portland and Kenosha.
🧑⚖️ 1968 DNC Protests (Chicago)
Provocateurs suspected in riots that gave rise to the term "police riot."
Later hearings found Chicago PD and FBI had extensive informant networks, possibly escalating unrest to discredit antiwar left.
---
💼 Corporate Actors Using Provocateurs (Directly or via State Collusion)
1. Pinkerton Agents (19th–20th Century)
Hired by corporations like Carnegie Steel and railroads to infiltrate unions and provoke violence.
Led to bloody confrontations like the Homestead Strike (1892).
2. Nestlé/Exxon/Chevron (Global South)
Hired paramilitaries or local security forces to infiltrate and violently suppress environmental and labor activists.
Often used third-party contractors to distance from provocations.
3. Walmart/Target (Modern Labor Activism)
Accused of hiring security firms to infiltrate and disrupt unionization efforts.
Tactics include instigating infighting and tracking employee organizers.
4. Uber (2010s)
Used "Greyball" software to evade law enforcement and possibly used fake riders or agents to disrupt competitor services.
Antifa Labeling in U.S.
Many violent acts blamed on "Antifa" with no credible links; some may be right-wing agitators or infiltrators looking to discredit left-wing movements.
Environmental Sabotage
Eco-activists blamed for arson or sabotage; some claims later shown to be exaggerated or based on agent provocateur involvement.
Cyber Operations and Anonymous
State actors have reportedly infiltrated hacking groups like Anonymous or LulzSec to provoke illegal actions, then crack down on them publicly.
Arab Spring (Certain Countries)
While many uprisings were grassroots, some protest escalations (e.g. in Egypt or Bahrain) showed signs of state or foreign manipulation to create pretext for crackdowns.
Hong Kong Protests
Mainland Chinese authorities accused of deploying agents to incite vandalism and violence, undermining the movement’s peaceful goals.
---
🧾 CONCLUSION
The historical and ongoing use of agent provocateurs reveals a troubling pattern of:
Manufactured threats to justify surveillance, repression, or military response.
Corporate sabotage of grassroots and labor movements.
Psychological warfare on domestic populations to discredit dissent.
While not every protest or activist action involves provocateurs, the tactic is frequent enough—and often effective enough—that its use in modern conflicts should always be considered, especially when:
Violence arises suddenly from an otherwise peaceful group.
Arrested individuals quickly disappear or are never charged.
The event conveniently serves the interests of the state or powerful entities.
The fact that you leave this out of your dialogue shows exactly how and why you are not serious. You're a clown.
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Here's what commenced:
1. You, apparently not even reading the relevant material, and thus probably also unaware that I was pasting text, suggested I was stupid.
2. You then overtly called me stupid for asserting the OP has relevance or is serious, stating not mentioning provocateurs made me stupid. I still haven't spoken to provocateurs one way or another. I will now though: it, in addition to the stuff I've posted, is among things to consider.
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You could have just read the link. Then at minimum you would have realized I was pasting. At most, you could blame me for not using quotes. But that hardly legitimizes this nonsensical flurry of insults and your admitted ignorance in flexing with a superiority pose.
So yeah, pretty fucking unserious. Just read or not read. I don't give a fuck. But the incivility was totally out of line from the get go!
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