Sd: I'm saying we didn't even need lockdown. Covid was around since November. Whatever it was going to do it did all last winter. And even now it only kills old people. You don't need that shot
Them: hm. Wow i never thought about it like that. Well, off to get my sho- uh... sho-pping done!
Sd: seems to me you can do without this whole middle process, which its eating up your resources and adds nothing except self aggrandizement.
Them: .... (goes and gets more stuff for that specific part)
people have an emotional reason for what they're about to do, and they would NEVER tell it to you
I think about it like this: we have a more primitive part of our brain which generates strong emotions. This is similar to less sophisticated animals like reptiles. We also have a cerebral cortex larger than any other animal’s, and that is where we perform “logical” thought. You would think that the cerebral cortex is making all the decisions and telling the lower brain how to feel. But its usually just the reverse. The lower brain decides how it wants to behave (emotion, instinct) and the cerebral cortex then tries to compose a “rational” argument to support that decision. Once the emotional brain decided it wanted the vax, the person then cherry picks the science to support that decision.
Most people were programmed to believe vaccines were safe and trustworthy from fucking tv shows. I had already researched MMR vax and autism, so I already knew the industry was crooked. I was looking for evidence to support my hypothesis.
I fought with my dad alot on that issue and he slowly came around after a couple of years. People can change their minds. But its tough.
seems to me you can do without this whole middle process, which its eating up your resources and adds nothing except self aggrandizement.
Some people love efficiency. If your smart, you realize its the key to having nice prosperous countries. Whites tend to be better at it than others ( except for maybe japs) . But so much of our econmy is based on the “middle process”. At least half the jobs in this country are “middle men”
To change somebody's mind and you have got to do it before you make them emotionally publicly commit to a position. That's a very very tricky balance. But if you can get the fact into their brain to change their mind somehow before they have made a commitment publicly to a stance then their emotional defensive reaction won't hinder them from taking a new information.
One of the ways to do that is literally to tell them you have new information. What that does is let them be less emotionally attached to the previous information that they had so you're not fighting them on what they believe about something they already know. You're telling them no this is a new situation you have not yet made an emotional commitment to here is the new information.
[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 1 hourJun 9, 2025 16:16:20 ago (+1/-0)
I am uninterested in changing peoples minds.
I present the facts. They are welcome to refute. Rebut.
Instead they melt down.
Instead yhey throw tantrums. That is on them.
2 examples.
Standard model of Cosmology is fraudulent. (And fake and gay) Never met a person yet who doesn't go into a melt down, brain lock , when shown why this statement is true.
Then their is postwallhelena. Cannot comprehend that for thousands of years, Greeks, Romans, Norse, Egyptians , Mayans. Wrote about and venerated Anunnaki Lords as real beings walking the earth.
What grounds does she have to call our ancestors liars? What gain is there to reject that history?
Assume that emotional behavior and cognitive behavior are not intrinsically different for a moment. Instead, assume they're both constitutively social functions. Emotions are one way of sharing with other people (being in a relation to others) and language/concepts are another way.
The dualism whereby "logic" and "reason" become some metaphysical connection to more fundamental reality is probably nonsense. They're just different ways of relating to another social being.
And it isn't all good or all bad. It's not "either/or". There's no non-empty case to be made that the "higher" brain is good and the "lower" brain is bad (and vice versa). There are ways of relating to others linguistically that produce flourishing and may mitigate some of the utility of the emotional strategies. There are ways of relating to others emotionally that result in benefits that the concept-trading brain doesn't.
Extremes are probably bad. E.g., you get too conceptual, and the succor of life dries up. You get to emotional, and things can't be stabilized.
The difficulty arises from the fact that, while there is some overlap in utility, there are large regions of utility associated with both modes that are non-overlapping and competitive. Niggers will call you soulless. You'll call niggers stupid.
Investing too much in any strategy tends to result in bad outcomes. Look at what happened to Christianity beginning in the middle ages. They killed God.
The only answer is to decide what means the most to you and find people who are likeminded and prefer to act in the same ways that you do.
The "higher" brain is always serving the "lower". For everybody. There is no privileged access to some absolute: the "lower" brain doesn't decide so that the "higher" brain can rationalize the choice because the "higher" brain isn't a neutral logic machine. They both serve the same master: community and interpersonal relations. It's all social - connection to others is God. Your experience of God is your people and your shared language and practices. We evolved both "systems" or capabilities for the same fundamental service, the cognitive just expands us into a linguistic space that is less heavy-handed, slower, and adaptive when working in tandem with emotion than in the case of an organism that lacks a neocortex. (I think it is plausible that humans could become less adaptive under certain conditions where we become too voluntary and "too cognitive"). A bone saw and a scalpel both serve the same purpose generally speaking, but a surgeon who has both is better.
I do think there may be a difference between the way the lower and higher brains function. I do not think the higher brain is good and the lower brain is bad. Yes I think they are checks and balances on each other. But I absolutely think that millions of intelligent informed medical practitioners ignored the signals that the vax was bad because an emotional response was guiding their intellectual reasoning on the subject.
Niggers will call you soulless.
Nick Cannon’s melanated soul rant! Thing is, I know what he is saying. They feel everything, too much.
Investing too much in any strategy tends to result in bad outcomes. Look at what happened to Christianity beginning in the middle ages. They killed God.
Youll have to clarify that statement. I think that the more evolved we become the more we will favor the truth over what is in our immediate self interest (which is usually what emotions are telling us). Religion and political ideologies are heavily reliant on emotional appeal, not logic.
the "lower" brain doesn't decide so that the "higher" brain can rationalize the choice because the "higher" brain isn't a neutral logic machine.
I dont think thats the purpose but I think it happens alot nevertheless.
(I think it is plausible that humans could become less adaptive under certain conditions where we become too voluntary and "too cognitive")
Me dancing at a party next to hispanics and blacks.
Tell them you went and got a shot, felt horrible, and watched someone personally seize and die, and then heard a dozen other 1st person stories of something like that.
Or if you're feeling particularly malicious to some braindead shithead tell them you got the shot, and all the stories about it being bad are false.
True, typically the closest they get is “well that would mean everything i know is a lie” And instead of that waking them up, they use it as a reason to double down.
Actually, it can happen. Long time ago like 15-20 years ago everyone was not filled with mind viruses and everything wasn't politicized and i got such sentence out couple of times from various people, but thinking back now it wasn't about politics nor about current thing.
[ - ] qwop 1 point 5 hoursJun 9, 2025 12:14:58 ago (+1/-0)
This is why all news and behavioral TV programming is based on emotion. It's the quickest way to get people to do what you want. Using rational argumentation and evidence to change someone's mind could take years. Emotion, they'll be ready to go today.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 6 points 9 hoursJun 9, 2025 08:14:37 ago (+6/-0)
I think about it like this: we have a more primitive part of our brain which generates strong emotions. This is similar to less sophisticated animals like reptiles. We also have a cerebral cortex larger than any other animal’s, and that is where we perform “logical” thought. You would think that the cerebral cortex is making all the decisions and telling the lower brain how to feel. But its usually just the reverse. The lower brain decides how it wants to behave (emotion, instinct) and the cerebral cortex then tries to compose a “rational” argument to support that decision. Once the emotional brain decided it wanted the vax, the person then cherry picks the science to support that decision.
Most people were programmed to believe vaccines were safe and trustworthy from fucking tv shows. I had already researched MMR vax and autism, so I already knew the industry was crooked. I was looking for evidence to support my hypothesis.
I fought with my dad alot on that issue and he slowly came around after a couple of years. People can change their minds. But its tough.
Some people love efficiency. If your smart, you realize its the key to having nice prosperous countries. Whites tend to be better at it than others ( except for maybe japs) . But so much of our econmy is based on the “middle process”. At least half the jobs in this country are “middle men”
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes 2 points 2 hoursJun 9, 2025 15:08:19 ago (+2/-0)
One of the ways to do that is literally to tell them you have new information. What that does is let them be less emotionally attached to the previous information that they had so you're not fighting them on what they believe about something they already know. You're telling them no this is a new situation you have not yet made an emotional commitment to here is the new information.
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 1 hourJun 9, 2025 16:16:20 ago (+1/-0)
I present the facts.
They are welcome to refute. Rebut.
Instead they melt down.
Instead yhey throw tantrums. That is on them.
2 examples.
Standard model of Cosmology is fraudulent. (And fake and gay)
Never met a person yet who doesn't go into a melt down, brain lock , when shown why this statement is true.
Then their is postwallhelena. Cannot comprehend that for thousands of years, Greeks, Romans, Norse, Egyptians , Mayans. Wrote about and venerated Anunnaki Lords as real beings walking the earth.
What grounds does she have to call our ancestors liars? What gain is there to reject that history?
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 45 minutesJun 9, 2025 16:56:25 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 hoursJun 9, 2025 15:15:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Saintdindufromthelandofnuffins
[ - ] Saintdindufromthelandofnuffins [op] 1 point 8 hoursJun 9, 2025 09:09:02 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 8 hoursJun 9, 2025 09:20:15 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Saintdindufromthelandofnuffins
[ - ] Saintdindufromthelandofnuffins [op] 2 points 5 hoursJun 9, 2025 12:27:32 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 5 hoursJun 9, 2025 12:33:16 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 4 hoursJun 9, 2025 12:46:27 ago (+0/-0)*
Assume that emotional behavior and cognitive behavior are not intrinsically different for a moment. Instead, assume they're both constitutively social functions. Emotions are one way of sharing with other people (being in a relation to others) and language/concepts are another way.
The dualism whereby "logic" and "reason" become some metaphysical connection to more fundamental reality is probably nonsense. They're just different ways of relating to another social being.
And it isn't all good or all bad. It's not "either/or". There's no non-empty case to be made that the "higher" brain is good and the "lower" brain is bad (and vice versa). There are ways of relating to others linguistically that produce flourishing and may mitigate some of the utility of the emotional strategies. There are ways of relating to others emotionally that result in benefits that the concept-trading brain doesn't.
Extremes are probably bad. E.g., you get too conceptual, and the succor of life dries up. You get to emotional, and things can't be stabilized.
The difficulty arises from the fact that, while there is some overlap in utility, there are large regions of utility associated with both modes that are non-overlapping and competitive. Niggers will call you soulless. You'll call niggers stupid.
Investing too much in any strategy tends to result in bad outcomes. Look at what happened to Christianity beginning in the middle ages. They killed God.
The only answer is to decide what means the most to you and find people who are likeminded and prefer to act in the same ways that you do.
The "higher" brain is always serving the "lower". For everybody. There is no privileged access to some absolute: the "lower" brain doesn't decide so that the "higher" brain can rationalize the choice because the "higher" brain isn't a neutral logic machine. They both serve the same master: community and interpersonal relations. It's all social - connection to others is God. Your experience of God is your people and your shared language and practices. We evolved both "systems" or capabilities for the same fundamental service, the cognitive just expands us into a linguistic space that is less heavy-handed, slower, and adaptive when working in tandem with emotion than in the case of an organism that lacks a neocortex. (I think it is plausible that humans could become less adaptive under certain conditions where we become too voluntary and "too cognitive"). A bone saw and a scalpel both serve the same purpose generally speaking, but a surgeon who has both is better.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 21 minutesJun 9, 2025 17:20:14 ago (+0/-0)
Nick Cannon’s melanated soul rant! Thing is, I know what he is saying. They feel everything, too much.
Youll have to clarify that statement. I think that the more evolved we become the more we will favor the truth over what is in our immediate self interest (which is usually what emotions are telling us). Religion and political ideologies are heavily reliant on emotional appeal, not logic.
I dont think thats the purpose but I think it happens alot nevertheless.
Me dancing at a party next to hispanics and blacks.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype 1 point 7 hoursJun 9, 2025 09:57:12 ago (+1/-0)
Tell them you went and got a shot, felt horrible, and watched someone personally seize and die, and then heard a dozen other 1st person stories of something like that.
Or if you're feeling particularly malicious to some braindead shithead tell them you got the shot, and all the stories about it being bad are false.
[ + ] ModernGuilt
[ - ] ModernGuilt 0 points 5 hoursJun 9, 2025 11:49:07 ago (+0/-0)
I've had uncountable convos with normies. This never never never happens.
[ + ] JudyStroyer
[ - ] JudyStroyer 1 point 5 hoursJun 9, 2025 12:24:10 ago (+1/-0)
And instead of that waking them up, they use it as a reason to double down.
[ + ] albatrosv15
[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 3 hoursJun 9, 2025 14:08:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 1 point 5 hoursJun 9, 2025 12:14:58 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 14 minutesJun 9, 2025 17:26:54 ago (+0/-0)