Do people here still believe in vaccines? Trust the doctors? Full schedule or dangerous vaccine refuser? - Upgoat

None are useful, all are harmful. Germ theory is a disaster.

Protections against medical tyranny really should have been written into the Bill of Rights.

[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 5 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 07:53:24 ago (+5/-0)

The story of Bechamp vs Pasteur is tragic. Have you read this book?

https://archive.org/details/bechamporpasteur00hume_0/mode/2up

[ + ] Razzoriel

[ - ] Razzoriel 6 points 7 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:49:09 ago (+6/-0)

Thank you for this link, it really shows just how far the rabbit hole goes on modern medicine.

[ + ] SilentByAssociation

[ - ] SilentByAssociation 3 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:09:20 ago (+3/-0)

I'm familiar with Béchamp vs Pasteur, but this book is new to me. Thank you for sharing.

[ + ] TheNoticing

[ - ] TheNoticing 1 point 7 hoursJun 7, 2025 09:13:50 ago (+1/-0)

"Medicine" back then was incredibly basic. While I'm not advocating for the medical industrial complex, general knowledge has become widespread and relatively easy to understand. People drank whiskey to help "dull the pain" before "surgery" or amputation. They also used the same bottle as antiseptic. Dying of infection was common and cleanliness wasn't anywhere close to as common as it is today, at least on a general level. I know people still do get sick while in a hospital.

[ + ] SilentByAssociation

[ - ] SilentByAssociation 0 points 4 hoursJun 7, 2025 11:52:33 ago (+0/-0)

Cleanliness (of physical exterior terrain) has come a long way. Hospitals are so sterile that something nasty is able to take hold because it won't be drowned out by other microorganisms.

Hospitals are conducive for sickness. Linen bedsheets? Nope (might depend on the hospital). Sunlight? Negative. Instead, you LEDs pulsing. Lots of wireless radiation. No real food served. No grounding/earthing available.

Everything that fosters health is kept away from patients and replaced with harmful processes. Getting healthpilled has been an ongoing journey and taken longer than I expected, but it's worthwhile. Everything they offer is synthetic, artifical, and fake.

[ + ] CoronaHoax

[ - ] CoronaHoax 1 point 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:42:11 ago (+1/-0)

There is no need to take the risk for any of them unless there is an outbreak. Which'll never happen.

The media is so fucking hyper to report cases of anything vaccines cover, you'd literally learn of single cases let alone a spreading outbreak.

Vaccines have zero value until the economics behind them change. Vaccine holders take liable for their damages, and mandates go away or fuck off.

[ + ] SilentByAssociation

[ - ] SilentByAssociation 3 points 5 hoursJun 7, 2025 11:37:52 ago (+3/-0)

Vaccines are sold just like SaaS, just with immunity (IaaS). Except they're poison. The "immune system" is truly the body's "detox system," which boils down to the physical/emotional/spiritual terrain of a person. Unless someone is cured/healed, all of the Rockefeller medical interventions & pharmaceuticals simply mask symptoms.

As with anything else, when it comes to health, follow the money. It's about business, not altruism. Realistically, it's probably about power and control before anything else. The money is a bonus. You'll only find altruism if you're working with someone offering homeopathic treatments. Maybe a chiropractor or Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner. Rockefeller bought out medicine a century ago.

[ + ] Autismo

[ - ] Autismo 0 points 7 hoursJun 7, 2025 09:09:11 ago (+1/-1)

Moron. Leprosy colonies.

[ + ] Panic

[ - ] Panic 1 point 5 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:54:07 ago (+1/-0)

Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease (HD), is a long-term infection by the bacteria Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis. Leprosy is spread between people, although extensive contact is necessary. Leprosy has a low pathogenicity, and 95% of people who contract or who are exposed to M. leprae do not develop the disease.

Leprosy is curable with multidrug therapy. Treatment of paucibacillary leprosy is with the medications dapsone, rifampicin, and clofazimine for six months. In the 20 years from 1994 to 2014, 16 million people worldwide were cured of leprosy.

No vaccines needed. Do your homework.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 7 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:21:13 ago (+7/-0)

I do not think all vaccines are part of an evil depopulation scheme or whatever.

I think some vaccines may be useful and some may not be. What makes a vaccine useful may depend on the severity of the disease and the efficacy and safety of the vaccine. Those factors may differ from person to person based on age, sex, genetics, etc.

But the truth is we simply dont know if some vaccines are worth taking because the institutions tasked with testing vaccine safety and efficacy are corrupt and in league with vax manufacturers.

Since its basically a game of Russian Roulette and we don’t know which vaccines are safe, can we afford to take any of them? I don’t think so. Taking no vaccines will probably not result in death so thats what Im doing.

[ + ] CoronaHoax

[ - ] CoronaHoax 6 points 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:44:47 ago (+6/-0)

100% of all vaccines hurt people, at least anywhere they are mandated and the manufacturers can't be held liable for damages.

The difference is whether it's enough damage to be noticeable, or happen soon enough to be linked to the vaccine.

[ + ] PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 4 hoursJun 7, 2025 12:11:11 ago (+1/-0)

100% of vaccines poke a hole in my arm, which hurts. But that level of injury is usually considered irrelevant.

Whether they are mandates or whether they are shielded from liability has no effect on whether a vaccine is unacceptably harmful. Not directly.

I believe the majority of people are taking extreme positions on vaccines (“they’re all good” or “they’re all bad”) because people like simple narratives but I don’t think these are reasonable positions.

[ + ] CoronaHoax

[ - ] CoronaHoax 1 point 4 hoursJun 7, 2025 12:17:23 ago (+1/-0)

Whether they are mandates or whether they are shielded from liability has no effect on whether a vaccine is unacceptably harmful.

No it's a matter of incentives / economics. If they can't be held accountable for damage, and even worse it's mandated whether it does damage or not, then even if it's not intentional or nefarious it'll eventually be, or almost statistically always be, damaging. And they'll do nothing and have no reason to fix the damaging part.

Economically / incentively, it's statistically guaranteed those vaccines will do damage. The only question is whether it will be enough damage FOR YOU to be noticeable.

[ + ] HeyJames

[ - ] HeyJames 2 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:32:15 ago (+2/-0)

You were pushing for masks and lockdowns during covid because other people would get you sick and your immune system sucks.

[ + ] PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:39:53 ago (+1/-0)

Prove it liar.

[ + ] bobdole9

[ - ] bobdole9 2 points 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:33:18 ago (+2/-0)

In my first grade class of 30 kids, I was the only one who didn't "catch" chickenpox. 29 of 30 were out with ichy sores, except me.

Will I end up with shingles someday? Probably. Will I get the shingles vaccine? Fuck no.

[ + ] Panic

[ - ] Panic 3 points 5 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:45:39 ago (+3/-0)

As I understand it, people with chicken pox as a kid (like my family) will NOT get shingles. It's the vaccinated ones getting shingles. I know two examples IRL of this, both vaxed.

[ + ] bobdole9

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 5 hoursJun 7, 2025 11:06:25 ago (+0/-0)

I just find it hard to believe I didn't catch it too.

[ + ] NeverHappened

[ - ] NeverHappened 1 point 4 hoursJun 7, 2025 11:49:16 ago (+1/-0)

You might have had it but with super-mild symptoms. Due to older siblings, I had chicken pox when I was a baby but with almost no symptoms even though my older siblings were in really bad shape. Year later my mom sent me to multiple "pox parties" as they were called however I never got it again.

[ + ] PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 4 hoursJun 7, 2025 12:17:47 ago (+0/-0)

Presuming you weren’t already exposed to chicken pox, you will not get shingles. Shingles can only occur if you have the latent chicken pox virus hiding in your body. As you age and your immune system weakens, the suppressed virus begins to reassert itself. But if you never had cp you cant get it.

There is evidence that the shingles vax improves cardiovascular health but that is probably due to a reduction in the latent virus which is causing inflamation. Again this is a problem that isn’t relevant to you if you have no virus. No reason to take shingles vax if you had no CP.

[ - ] Razzoriel 5 points 7 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:52:02 ago (+5/-0)

I used to think there was some protection given on deadly diseases and the ones with no real risk were the moneymakers. This was a decade ago.

Not anymore, its all poison. I have kids who ran a few shots and some who had none, and they have plenty of cousins who ran something like 70% to all shots. Their health is very different. Take a guess who from these groups never went to the doctor, who went a few times and those who are always there every few months.

[ - ] Murdock 3 points 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:09:47 ago (+3/-0)

Now that we know from Suzanne humphries that polio and even tetanus vaccine are BS...
No vaccine is safe.
They even use mercury in some of them.
I think they COULD be a good thing if they had a completely double blind tests with long term analysis. Also.. They should be responsible even for bad batches.
The way it is now.. None of them are safe. On purpose.

[ - ] Drstrangestgov 2 points 7 hoursJun 7, 2025 09:33:29 ago (+2/-0)

I'll never understand why people keep giving murderous assholes opportunities to murder them.

[ - ] LookFat 1 point 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:29:32 ago (+1/-0)

Like everything, what was once good, is turned into tools of evil by judaism

[ - ] qwop [op] 1 point 9 hoursJun 7, 2025 07:20:35 ago (+1/-0)

Related video

Michael Knowles interviews Andy Wakefield
https://youtu.be/QC11ILbFgqg

[ - ] rhy 0 points 15 minutesJun 7, 2025 16:29:13 ago (+0/-0)

Every single one is loaded with toxins. The only reason big pharma has customers is because of the vaccine schedule damaging people

[ - ] RMGoetbbels -2 points 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 09:46:19 ago (+0/-2)

I want everyone fully vaxxed as soon as a new vaxx comes out.

[ - ] paul_neri -2 points 9 hoursJun 7, 2025 06:59:21 ago (+0/-2)

I want the full vaxx schedule AND the flu jabs

[ + ] PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 4 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 07:49:25 ago (+4/-0)

You just triggered me Paul.

[ + ] paul_neri

[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:03:09 ago (+1/-0)

We are fellow maskies.

[ + ] bobdole9

[ - ] bobdole9 3 points 9 hoursJun 7, 2025 07:15:51 ago (+3/-0)

Funny enough, it was the flu jabs that started the skepticism.

I would traditionally get a flu shot before traveling. One year I didn't bother and noticed I didn't feel awful at any point that winter. Two years after I opted out, the "news" stated the shot was only 10% effective. That was the same year I learned the shot had egg in it, and that I was allergic to eggs.

Then after the lessons from the flu shot, hearing about mRNA shots, and the shifting definition of what a vaccine is, I am perfectly fine opting out.

Is there mustery medical science juice that is beneficial? Certainly. However, here in America, we have no reason to just "trust the science".

[ + ] PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 4 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 07:56:39 ago (+4/-0)

I just read an article recently which found the flu vax had 27% negative efficacy. That means you are 27% more likely to get flu if you get the flu shot.

[ + ] bobdole9

[ - ] bobdole9 2 points 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:29:39 ago (+2/-0)

Sounds about right. I stopped taking it every year and stopped catching the winter bullshit. Weird how that worked out.

Is there anything similar done on any of the vaxxs?

[ + ] paul_neri

[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:16:02 ago (+0/-0)

It's not the vaccine's fault you're allegic to eggs ffs! It's your fault!

[ + ] TheNoticing

[ - ] TheNoticing 2 points 7 hoursJun 7, 2025 09:26:01 ago (+2/-0)

It's likely childhood vaccines that cause chronic problems such as asthma and allergies. People have different poison effects (not reactions or side effects) to vaccines. I have asthma, allergies, probably some as-yet undiagnosed shit, but epilepsy from head trauma as a child. Vaccines can cause all sorts of neurological and immune disorders.

[ + ] bobdole9

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 6 hoursJun 7, 2025 10:27:28 ago (+1/-0)

10% effective

It's the shots fault for being useless. "Trusting the science" led them to believe almost all the wrong strains would have been present that year.

"Trusting the science" means sometimes the "science" is pulled out of thin air.

[ + ] qwop

[ - ] qwop [op] 0 points 9 hoursJun 7, 2025 07:14:39 ago (+0/-0)

Well of course. We expect nothing less.

[ + ] boekanier

[ - ] boekanier 0 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:00:24 ago (+0/-0)

yes, we know

[ + ] paul_neri

[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 8 hoursJun 7, 2025 08:02:41 ago (+0/-0)

Sorry I do tend to beat my drum rather repetitively.

[ + ] Panic

[ - ] Panic 1 point 5 hoursJun 7, 2025 11:06:00 ago (+1/-0)

Australia's humorous reputation states that everything in Australia is trying to kill you. Fear is understandable for you blokes.

[ + ] Sector2

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 3 hoursJun 7, 2025 12:56:51 ago (+0/-0)

Dibs on your stuff.

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Do people here still believe in vaccines? Trust the doctors? Full schedule or dangerous vaccine refuser? submitted by qwop to whatever 9 hoursJun 7, 2025 06:58:21 ago (+18/-0) (whatever)

Do people here still believe in vaccines? Trust the doctors? Full schedule or dangerous vaccine refuser?
submitted by qwop to whatever 9 hoursJun 7, 2025 06:58:21 ago (+18/-0) (whatever)