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The Good, the Bad, and the Based Jew

submitted by Conspirologist to Nationalism 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:14:06 ago (+2/-3)     (Nationalism)

The Good, the Bad, and the Based: Diversity Among Jewish Individuals

It’s easy to fall into the trap of stereotyping entire groups as wholly good or bad, but this oversimplifies the complexity of human character. Jewish people, like any race or ethnicity, encompass a wide range of individuals—some exemplary, others flawed, and some deeply controversial. The lives of Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner, and Bobby Fischer—three Jewish figures with vastly different paths—illustrate this diversity, showing that no community is defined by a single narrative.

Leonard Nimoy: The Good

Leonard Nimoy, beloved as Spock in Star Trek, was a model of creativity, compassion, and cultural impact. Born in 1931 to Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe in Boston, Nimoy deeply integrated his Jewish heritage into his work. The iconic Vulcan “Live Long and Prosper” salute, a hallmark of Star Trek, was inspired by the Jewish priestly blessing he observed in synagogue as a child. Beyond acting, Nimoy was a true artist, creating the photography project Shekhina, which explored Jewish mysticism, and narrating Jewish Short Stories from Eastern Europe and Beyond on public radio. His creative contributions extended to directing, with successes like Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the latter praised for its environmental message.

Nimoy’s commitment to helping others was equally profound. Diagnosed with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) in 2014, he used his Twitter (now X) account to personally post warnings about the dangers of smoking, urging fans to quit with messages like, “Smokers, please understand. If you quit after you’re diagnosed with lung damage, it’s too late. Grandpa says learn from me.” His advocacy continued until his death in 2015, earning tributes from NASA, President Obama, and fans worldwide. Nimoy also supported philanthropy, backing arts education and Jewish cultural initiatives, and his authentic engagement with fans—through personal social media posts and public appearances—cemented his legacy as a “real Jew” whose work and values uplifted countless lives.

William Shatner: The Bad

In stark contrast, William Shatner, Star Trek’s Captain Kirk, has led a life marked by personal and professional turmoil. Born to Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants in Montreal, Shatner’s connection to Judaism was more cultural than religious, and unlike Nimoy, he produced no significant personal artistic works, relying heavily on his Star Trek fame for his career. His personal life has been notably chaotic, with four marriages and three divorces, including a contentious 2020 divorce from Elizabeth Martin that involved disputes over property and even horse semen, requiring legal intervention. In 1992, Shatner faced a $30,000 lawsuit after his Doberman killed a neighbor’s dog, further damaging his public image. Early in his career, financial struggles forced him to live out of his car, a far cry from Nimoy’s disciplined ascent.

Shatner’s behavior has drawn significant criticism. Unlike Nimoy’s direct engagement with fans, Shatner reportedly uses an employee to manage his Twitter (now X) posts, creating a sense of detachment. His reputation for being difficult on set strained relationships with Star Trek co-stars like George Takei, James Doohan, and Nichelle Nichols, who publicly expressed their dislike. Most notably, Shatner’s absence from Leonard Nimoy’s 2015 funeral—despite calling Nimoy his “closest friend” and “brother”—sparked widespread fan outrage. He attended a Red Cross fundraiser at Mar-a-Lago instead, a decision many viewed as a betrayal, especially after their falling out, possibly over Shatner’s use of unauthorized footage of Nimoy in a 2011 documentary, The Captains. Adam Nimoy confirmed their “challenging relationship,” noting Shatner’s exclusion from the funeral. Shatner’s controversial online behavior, such as dismissing Jewish converts of color and clashing with fans over social issues, has further tarnished his image, overshadowing his Star Trek legacy.

Bobby Fischer: The Based

Bobby Fischer, the chess grandmaster, embodies both brilliance and controversy. Born in 1943 to a Jewish mother in Chicago, Fischer showed prodigious talent early, receiving a chess set at age six and becoming the youngest U.S. chess champion at 14. His 1972 World Chess Championship victory against Boris Spassky, ending 24 years of Soviet dominance, was a Cold War triumph, earning global acclaim and coverage in Life and Sports Illustrated. Fischer’s achievements were staggering: he won eight U.S. championships, including a perfect 11–0 score in 1963/64, a feat unmatched in tournament history. His 1970–71 dominance included 6–0 sweeps against grandmasters Mark Taimanov and Bent Larsen, and a 20-game winning streak, likened to back-to-back no-hitters in baseball. His 1972 Elo rating of 2785 was the highest ever at the time, and his 1970 blitz tournament score of 19/22 crushed legends like Tal and Petrosian. Fischer’s books, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess and My 60 Memorable Games, remain bestsellers, inspiring generations and popularizing chess worldwide.

Yet Fischer’s Jewish identity was fraught. He denounced Jews, including his own heritage, in antisemitic rants, warning against what he called “evil Jews” in conspiratorial outbursts, influenced by texts like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. These views alienated many, casting a dark shadow over his legacy. Fischer’s exploration of Catholicism later in life, where he expressed belief that it was “the only hope for the world,” showed a complex spiritual journey. His chess genius revolutionized the game, but his divisive rhetoric makes him a troubling, “ugly” figure in this narrative, highlighting the extremes within any community.

Conclusion: Judging Individuals, Not Groups

Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner, and Bobby Fischer—each a Jewish individual—demonstrate that no group is a monolith. Nimoy, the good, left a legacy of artistry, philanthropy, and personal engagement with fans through direct social media posts. Shatner, the bad, relied on Star Trek fame while his turbulent personal life and absence from Nimoy’s funeral disappointed fans across all episodes of their strained friendship. Fischer, the based, achieved unparalleled chess brilliance but marred his legacy with polarizing views. By focusing on individual actions, we move beyond stereotypes to a clearer understanding of humanity’s diversity.



9 comments block


[ - ] PostWallHelena 3 points 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:30:13 ago (+4/-1)

Ill upvote because I want the debate. But judging people by groups is highly useful because we don’t have time to assess everyone on an individual basis, and there is a high degree of behavioral similarity among closely related groups. Groups evolve certain behaviors in certain environments for their own economic benefit. The genes controlling those behaviors are widely spread withing those groups.

Jews live parasitically off other societies. Maybe some are not parasitic but most are. So if you don’t know everything about an individual jew, it makes sense to assume they are economically exploitive, which Nimoy, Shatner, and Fischer all were. Fischer gets a pass for his truth telling. But none of these guys contributed wealth to society. Acting and playing chess are just games.

[ - ] PuddinTame 1 point 1 weekJun 1, 2025 19:00:31 ago (+2/-1)

It's the ole GOOD jews we have to support vs the BAD jews we must (only) slap on the wrist! The ole GOOD xtians we have to support vs the BAD xtians we must (only) slap on the wrist! The ole GOOD islamaholics we have to support vs the BAD islamaholics we must (only) slap on the wrist! The bad ones we must always punish ever so gently, as it's never their fault they are bad, and always deserve a pussy pass irregardless of their treachery.

All this is the typical apologist BS, endlessly recycled. It's the 'splitting hairs' ploy to derail (or at least mitigate) the well deserved reprisal from reaching the very culpable targets. Word salad camouflage to provide cover for the miscreants! Was Nimoy a NAJALT (Not All Jews Are Like That), or was he just a cryptojew that kept under the radar? Did he support the zionists, AIPAC, ADL, etc.? Do you really know what he was about? Are you soooo sure he was entirely as he appeared to be? The denizens of Hollyweird are professional chameleons, and excel at deception....none more so than the endemic jujubeans.

[ - ] wyrmblut 1 point 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 13:03:39 ago (+2/-1)

Never knew Shatner was a jew. Still this is a silly debate and jewish in nature. You can and must BOTH make judgements based on the group and the individual. Judgements based on individual take a great deal more time and effort which isnt always available. Making initial decisions based on judgements of the group is perfectly valid and will serve you very well when time cannot be afforded otherwise

[ - ] Anus_Expander -1 points 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:40:36 ago (+0/-1)

ALL JEWS GET THE ROPE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:19:54 ago (+0/-1)

Crucify all Jews!

[ - ] Conspirologist [op] -1 points 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:21:47 ago (+0/-1)

OK. They are both dead now. No problem.

[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:28:10 ago (+0/-1)

Uncle Hadrian would not be satisfied with that result.
All means All.

[ - ] Conspirologist [op] -1 points 2 weeksJun 1, 2025 12:52:07 ago (+0/-1)

I don't know why only Shatner POS is still alive. This makes think.

[ - ] Conspirologist [op] -1 points 1 weekJun 1, 2025 15:41:45 ago (+0/-1)

I like that you are not low IQ like the rest of USAID neets here. You really make my day. You are always welcome to post in my subs.