The kid is super annoying, but Peterson's responses were terrible. You have to give it to the kid: he came in knowing he was going to force Peterson to deal with the entailments of being a Christian, else either (i) deny that he is one or (ii) redefine what it means to be a Christian.
This was a smart move in context because Peterson didn't have the space he usually does to attempt the redefinition. So he took the first option, and he responded very clumsily. He is famous for the "well it depends on what you mean" approach, but the way he applied it here was ridiculous given the premise of the conversation. He could have easily said that being a Christian doesn't imply that a person is committed to the dogmas of the Catholic faith. It seems as if he has gotten a bit lazy. No doubt because he is riding mostly on his status these days.
Strategically, appearing on this show was a very poor choice for Peterson with theism versus atheism as the subject matter. He would have been fine if it had been identity politics or some other leftist nonsense. But being unable to hold his own against a layperson, much less getting logically outwitted, is a really bad look for his brand. Historically, Peterson has done very poorly against more notable atheist thinkers. Harris, Dillahunty, and Dawkins made him look like a community-college tier hipster trying to explain the world with Jake and Wil Grimm.
The problem the Jordan has is the same problem with lots of "alt right" egrifters. Their rhetoric has irreconcilable contradictions that can be picked apart like we see here. You can't be an America First Christian and support a Jewish genocide against the Palestinian people. And, that contradiction causes many issues that Peterson cannot discuss without coming off as nothing but an insincere grifter.
Everybody has contradictions. If you find the person with no contradictions let me know.
You can't be an America First Christian and support a Jewish genocide against the Palestinian people.
You can if you think jews are the rightful people of israel and not a threat to whites. Which he clearly does. He’s been propagandized like everybody else. We are lucky that someone j-pilled us but it doesn’t mean everything he says is bunk or controlled opposition.
I do think he’s a grifter but not necessarily insincere.
The issue isn't in the contradictions. The issue is that the contradictions are irreconcilable. For example, how can you claim to be America First while supporting sending hundreds of billions in aid, money and weapons to Israel to genocide a million people who are of no threat to the US? How can you call yourself a Christian while prioritizing the synagogue of Satan? And, while you could make arguments for these things in a vacuum, when confronted by actual America Firsters or actual Christians, you'll be picked apart like this atheist did to Jordan.
And no, America First should not be deciding who the rightful people of Israel are and spend hundreds of billions in US tax dollars to help those people rule over Israel to no benefit of the US. No one in the US voted for the ruler of Israel. That's but our business. As for the J-pill, Jordan has been confronted about the j-pill and refuses to address it. He's intentionally dodged the issue or being present in a venue that would compel him to address the issue. He's j-pilled. He's just on the side of the people paying him to support Israel.
Yes we all have contradictions that are irreconcilable. I see people with irreconcilable contradictioons all day on this site. I argue with them all the time on them.
Is he even america first? Has he categorical identified himself as a christian? I don’t even know the answers to these questions. I know he’s a canadian.
Im not america first. Im white people first.
How can you call yourself a Christian while prioritizing the synagogue of Satan?
What is meant by ‘synogogue of satan’ is a hotly contested issue. In my opinion, it references a group of elite jewish scholars and priests who ran the religion and not everyone who practiced the religion which included jesus himself and all the disciples. I doubt jesus could have possibly ancitipated what a bunch of ashkhenazis would be doing in 2000 years who are almost wholly unrelated to Judeans and dont follow the same religion. I find inconsistencies in the semantics of a group mentioned in that verse being conflated with modern jews.
actual christians
Lost of actual christians support israel. You will probably be tempted to make a “no true scotsman” argument here, but I can do without it.
Im busting your balls a bit but I honestly don’t think Peterson is particularly inconsistent. I wish he saw things my way about race. I wish you saw things my way about atheism. But I wont dismiss everything you have to say because you don’t.
Yes we all have contradictions that are irreconcilable. I see people with irreconcilable contradictioons all day on this site. I argue with them all the time on them.
And, how many are getting paid to promote those irreconcilable contradictions to right wing simps?
Yes. He is grifting to America First Christians. He certainly isn't white people first. If anything he's jew people first, and has gone out of his way to ridicule content creators that put white people first or have criticize jews. People like Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens.
The Bible makes it very clear who the "synagogue of Satan" is. "Those who call themselves jews but who are not jews." And, the basic understanding is those who use the Talmud to circumvent God's laws and insist that the Son Of God is in hell sitting in shit, piss and cum. Revelations absolutely foresaw this, along with many other then unknowable things, like the mark of the beast. These talmudic jews existed when Christ was alive, which is why Paul and Christ made an effort to convert them away from their Satanic faith.
And while lots of Christians are deceived into supporting the State of Israel, the Bible foresaw that, too. It's prophesy that many Christians will be deceived. It's not a "no true scottsman" issue. It's a concerted effort by "those who call themselves jews but who are not jews" deceiving Christians into believing things that are not true to benefit those fake assed jews, here in this country and Israel.
Jordan Peterson is a straight up grifter and his inconsistencies show up when he's pinned down and made to answer for his inconsistencies. Normally, he's allowed to dodge the issues. This time he wasn't and got destroyed by an 18 year old college student.
And, how many are getting paid to promote those irreconcilable contradictions to right wing simps?
IMO none.
Yes. He is grifting to America First Christians.
Unless he is identifying himself as America First he has no obligation to uphold the principles of America First.
The Bible makes it very clear who the "synagogue of Satan" is. "Those who call themselves jews but who are not jews." And, the basic understanding is those who use the Talmud to circumvent God's laws and insist that the Son Of God is in hell sitting in shit, piss and cum.
The Talmud was not even written when Revelations was produced. I don’t think the verse is clear at all. The whole book is the ravings of a mad man IMO. It doesn’t prophesy anything but people read into it what they will.
That was a long time ago. Back when he earned the respect that people had for him. Before this "Christian" grift nonsense. Before his drug addiction problems and his whore daughter got famous.
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 09:09:30 ago (+1/-0)
The problem is that he throws out advice that he, himself, doesn't use in his own life while improperly advocating a nonsensical Christian ideology that he, himself, doesn't understand.
He’s a normie. He does not think outside the box at all. He certainly doesn’t question mainstream “nazi” narratives. The edgiest think he ever did was refuse to use some faggots pronouns. Thats not edgy enough for this crowd. Hence the hyperbole that he’s a jewish pet etc. He’s better than some but alas not “our guy” . He is a bit of a grifter imo.
His debate against Cathy Newman is still the stuff of legends.
I get that we sometimes call people jews who aren’t really jews because they are acting llike jews. But we really need to stop insisting that every white male who fails us or doesnt come out with a swastika tattooed on his forehead and his hair on fire must necessarily be a crypto jew. I really have to push back on that if thats what you are saying.
I felt like two people wasted 55 seconds of my time. The clocked show 3:45. What lead up to it? TL;DR please because I really cannot stand watching Peterson.
[ - ] Sal_180 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 09:06:03 ago (+1/-0)
It was supposed to be "1 Christian vs 20 Atheists". So peterson denies he's a Christian. Guy asked if it's "Christians vs atheists". Petersons meek "I don't know" makes him sound like a dementia sufferer. Peterson then says he could be Christian or maybe he's not, but won't answer. Meaning the entire debate is pointless. YouTube channel has since edited the video title to remove the word "Christian".
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 7 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 10:23:03 ago (+7/-0)*
This was a smart move in context because Peterson didn't have the space he usually does to attempt the redefinition. So he took the first option, and he responded very clumsily. He is famous for the "well it depends on what you mean" approach, but the way he applied it here was ridiculous given the premise of the conversation. He could have easily said that being a Christian doesn't imply that a person is committed to the dogmas of the Catholic faith. It seems as if he has gotten a bit lazy. No doubt because he is riding mostly on his status these days.
Strategically, appearing on this show was a very poor choice for Peterson with theism versus atheism as the subject matter. He would have been fine if it had been identity politics or some other leftist nonsense. But being unable to hold his own against a layperson, much less getting logically outwitted, is a really bad look for his brand. Historically, Peterson has done very poorly against more notable atheist thinkers. Harris, Dillahunty, and Dawkins made him look like a community-college tier hipster trying to explain the world with Jake and Wil Grimm.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 10:32:58 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 10:34:43 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 3 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 11:11:32 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 11:46:15 ago (+1/-0)
You can if you think jews are the rightful people of israel and not a threat to whites. Which he clearly does. He’s been propagandized like everybody else. We are lucky that someone j-pilled us but it doesn’t mean everything he says is bunk or controlled opposition.
I do think he’s a grifter but not necessarily insincere.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 0 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 11:50:56 ago (+0/-0)*
And no, America First should not be deciding who the rightful people of Israel are and spend hundreds of billions in US tax dollars to help those people rule over Israel to no benefit of the US. No one in the US voted for the ruler of Israel. That's but our business. As for the J-pill, Jordan has been confronted about the j-pill and refuses to address it. He's intentionally dodged the issue or being present in a venue that would compel him to address the issue. He's j-pilled. He's just on the side of the people paying him to support Israel.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 12:26:35 ago (+0/-0)
Is he even america first? Has he categorical identified himself as a christian? I don’t even know the answers to these questions. I know he’s a canadian.
Im not america first. Im white people first.
What is meant by ‘synogogue of satan’ is a hotly contested issue. In my opinion, it references a group of elite jewish scholars and priests who ran the religion and not everyone who practiced the religion which included jesus himself and all the disciples. I doubt jesus could have possibly ancitipated what a bunch of ashkhenazis would be doing in 2000 years who are almost wholly unrelated to Judeans and dont follow the same religion. I find inconsistencies in the semantics of a group mentioned in that verse being conflated with modern jews.
Lost of actual christians support israel. You will probably be tempted to make a “no true scotsman” argument here, but I can do without it.
Im busting your balls a bit but I honestly don’t think Peterson is particularly inconsistent. I wish he saw things my way about race. I wish you saw things my way about atheism. But I wont dismiss everything you have to say because you don’t.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 0 points 23 hoursMay 28, 2025 17:04:24 ago (+0/-0)
And, how many are getting paid to promote those irreconcilable contradictions to right wing simps?
Yes. He is grifting to America First Christians. He certainly isn't white people first. If anything he's jew people first, and has gone out of his way to ridicule content creators that put white people first or have criticize jews. People like Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens.
The Bible makes it very clear who the "synagogue of Satan" is. "Those who call themselves jews but who are not jews." And, the basic understanding is those who use the Talmud to circumvent God's laws and insist that the Son Of God is in hell sitting in shit, piss and cum. Revelations absolutely foresaw this, along with many other then unknowable things, like the mark of the beast. These talmudic jews existed when Christ was alive, which is why Paul and Christ made an effort to convert them away from their Satanic faith.
And while lots of Christians are deceived into supporting the State of Israel, the Bible foresaw that, too. It's prophesy that many Christians will be deceived. It's not a "no true scottsman" issue. It's a concerted effort by "those who call themselves jews but who are not jews" deceiving Christians into believing things that are not true to benefit those fake assed jews, here in this country and Israel.
Jordan Peterson is a straight up grifter and his inconsistencies show up when he's pinned down and made to answer for his inconsistencies. Normally, he's allowed to dodge the issues. This time he wasn't and got destroyed by an 18 year old college student.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 20 hoursMay 28, 2025 20:03:25 ago (+0/-0)
Unless he is identifying himself as America First he has no obligation to uphold the principles of America First.
The Talmud was not even written when Revelations was produced. I don’t think the verse is clear at all. The whole book is the ravings of a mad man IMO. It doesn’t prophesy anything but people read into it what they will.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 22 hoursMay 28, 2025 17:16:36 ago (+0/-0)
I see it justified all the time on media.
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[ + ] Equalizer
[ - ] Equalizer 2 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 13:26:50 ago (+2/-0)
https://files.catbox.moe/2v4ssy.jpg
That's why the left try and make him out to be 'our guy' so desperately, another jew leading the opposition.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 14:02:42 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GetWoke
[ - ] GetWoke 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 08:18:34 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 10:44:51 ago (+0/-0)
He ain’t all bad folks.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 3 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 10:56:04 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Trope
[ - ] Trope 0 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 08:59:11 ago (+0/-0)
Based on what I remember from ten years ago. Unless he’s doing gay shit too?
[ + ] PoundOfFlesh
[ - ] PoundOfFlesh 3 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 09:52:11 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 09:09:30 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 22 hoursMay 28, 2025 17:19:11 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 10:32:47 ago (+0/-0)
His debate against Cathy Newman is still the stuff of legends.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 12:25:31 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 12:37:05 ago (+0/-0)
I get that we sometimes call people jews who aren’t really jews because they are acting llike jews. But we really need to stop insisting that every white male who fails us or doesnt come out with a swastika tattooed on his forehead and his hair on fire must necessarily be a crypto jew. I really have to push back on that if thats what you are saying.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 13:20:42 ago (+1/-0)
Ok sorry Mrs Autismo, he's surrounded and empowered by jews at best. At worst he's hiding his mother's heritage and those conspiracies are correct.
Either way he's a grifting jew.
[ + ] RobertJHarsh
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[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX [op] 1 point 1 dayMay 28, 2025 07:40:43 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 2 points 1 dayMay 28, 2025 08:00:22 ago (+2/-0)
Costs more to keep a sinking ship afloat.
[ + ] Sal_180
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