But FST takes into account the diversity within the populations as well as the diversity between them. The measurement here is only looking at Britons, not Whites. So maybe your logic makes sense if the French are also a separate species. But they aren’t. To be accurate you have to take all Europeans or all caucasoids as a group and measure them against all SS blacks. You can’t use some tiny sub-population . Thats not how FST works. Speciation is not based on FST. FST does not measure absolute genetic distance!
But FST takes into account the diversity within the populations as well as the diversity between them. The measurement here is only looking at Britons, not Whites.
Do you know what the word absolute means? The FST between whites and blacks will change if I add french and russians and croatians to your all british sample. And the more samples you take the lower the distance goes. Its the opposite of absolute. Its a highly relative measure.
Yeah I get that. That is a PCA chart. It is not the same as Fst. Im not arguing that ss blacks aren’t relatively distant to us. Distant enough to be declared a separate species? That is subjective. But all that is irrelavant. Your chart is irrelavant. Ive seen that plot at least a thousand times. I have several versions of it stored on my pc. It doesn’t fucking matter.
The issue at hand is whether OP is misinterpreting Fst. He is. OPs example samples Britons, not Europeans, so who cares what your chart is including? If instead of Britons, they only sampled people in my family, the Fst would get even larger. It doesn’t prove anything. Its statistical flim flam. What is the matter with you retards?
It got higher.
Oh yeah? What was it? What is the Fst from your chart? It doesn’t have one
Not to butt in (as someone whose genetics knowledge is weak), but I love exchanges like these as I learn the most from them. I'd personally love it if I had both you, helena, and CP's devotech in on this and you guys took a ton of topics on genetics to their conclusions once and for all.
That said, I have been jewgling/deepseeking along as I read through you guys. I checked helena's statement ("FST takes into account the diversity within the populations as well as the diversity between them"), which the bots say is a true statement, and that the definition summarizes to "Diversity of the total population (HT) / Between-population diversity (Dxy)" and gave the formula Fst = (Ht-Hs)/(Ht)
If this is true, then wouldn't adding additional samples necessarily change the population sequences, and thus the diversity measure? Go easy, still studying this here.
EDIT: bots/jewgle both says FST does not measure absolute genetic distance.
If you inferred that, youre a retard. If you want to calculate what the FST between Bantus and Europeans is, you have to sample the entire european population, not just Britons or natives of Inverness. Dummy.
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If you account for average FST in the Hominidae family, they'd have their own genus and subgenus. Thats even farther than species.
Depending on the taxonomical rules, they'd not even be in the Hominidae family.
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Nonetheless, TND, TKD, TFD.
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(just kidding - this one works)
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Whoops, turns out it’s across the entire species.
Yeah, it does. The concomitance of all FST distances results in a map of absolute distance.
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Do you know what the word absolute means? The FST between whites and blacks will change if I add french and russians and croatians to your all british sample. And the more samples you take the lower the distance goes. Its the opposite of absolute. Its a highly relative measure.
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It’s an all-species sample. Check the image.
It got higher.
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Yeah I get that. That is a PCA chart. It is not the same as Fst. Im not arguing that ss blacks aren’t relatively distant to us. Distant enough to be declared a separate species? That is subjective. But all that is irrelavant. Your chart is irrelavant. Ive seen that plot at least a thousand times. I have several versions of it stored on my pc. It doesn’t fucking matter.
The issue at hand is whether OP is misinterpreting Fst. He is. OPs example samples Britons, not Europeans, so who cares what your chart is including? If instead of Britons, they only sampled people in my family, the Fst would get even larger. It doesn’t prove anything. Its statistical flim flam. What is the matter with you retards?
Oh yeah? What was it? What is the Fst from your chart? It doesn’t have one
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That said, I have been jewgling/deepseeking along as I read through you guys. I checked helena's statement ("FST takes into account the diversity within the populations as well as the diversity between them"), which the bots say is a true statement, and that the definition summarizes to "Diversity of the total population (HT) / Between-population diversity (Dxy)" and gave the formula Fst = (Ht-Hs)/(Ht)
If this is true, then wouldn't adding additional samples necessarily change the population sequences, and thus the diversity measure? Go easy, still studying this here.
EDIT: bots/jewgle both says FST does not measure absolute genetic distance.
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It does exactly that.
Your spells of illusion and confusion will not work on me, hag.
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