Also heard the claim there’s no historical record of the biblical king David’s existence. At least not from any other neighbouring ruler anywhere near his alleged lifetime
'Hyksos' dynasty is somewhat around biblical times (i think well before 'levantine' became 'jew' which were....
Semitic migrants from the levant who made up the lowest castes who eventually worked into the priestly caste who decided the rules for society and then selected the next pharao and then became the pharoahs...
Then revolution and they were 'permitted' to leave by the returning egyptian local dynasty.
[ - ] 3Whuurs [op] 1 point 11 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:23:45 ago (+1/-0)
Heard occasional mentions of the Hyksos, but never looked in to that. So there’s Egyptian and Assyrian records of jews total enslavement and persecution in Egypt?
Sounds like they just had nonstop access to upward momentum. So jews was pharaohs?
No, records of the ancestors of jews entering and subverting then controlling and ruling egypt, then being told to gtfo.
Its well before moses and the exodus etc, historical non biblical stuff has always called these people at least, 'levantine semites' as opposed to 'egytian' as for moses time, the pharoah isnt named so people extrapolate.
Pre bible egyptian recorded stuff talks about sea peoples fucking up everything which were people from all over the place moving out of europe which is where egypt probably gets chariots and shit from. But they were communicating with assyria babylon mycaenean greece etc already for a good couple thousand years.
I think we can argue that “hebrews” had no memory of being hyksos (if in fact they were, we don’t know) because hebrews had no recollection of the period when Egypt ruled Canaan, which occured after the Hyksos left Egypt. How can they know stuff about a time period that precedes such a major political event they have no knowlege of?
Answer: the Hebrews are a “made up” people (as many others are) that did not exist until 1000 bc or so. And they didn’t write shit down for several hundred years after that. Their entire history is unreliable.
Its fun to speculate whether the Hyksos really had the “jewish moxie” or not. So Ill post links to some of Pharoah Kamose’s inscriptions discussing the Hyksos (asiatic) which may be relevant.
There was a guy on YouTube who used to go to primary sources and read from him and it was a very interesting channel. And one of the things that he said gotten him in trouble with his very religious family as he was a reading on a source about the Jews migration out of Egypt and the truth of the matter was they were not escaping Egypt they were thrown out of Egypt just like they've been thrown out of every place else. The reason they were thrown out was because they were what was called Shepherd Kings which does not mean they're nice meek people who tend sheep but it means it's a people who comes from somewhere else and rules over the native people in other words foreigners ruling over you. So being a Shepherd king is not a nice thing to be called.
In his reading of this older primary source he also mentioned that the Jews did not cross the Red Sea but crossed the Reed see which is a much more shallow body of water in the area.
If I can find that video I'll link it but I think I have linked it before.
Very few Christians understand the Old Testament is to be read as a foundation to the New, not equal in importance, but important in context. If you understand that the jews suffered greatly and rejected the Son of God and deserve to keep suffering for it, everything starts to make sense.
[ - ] Reunto 1 point 6 hoursMay 3, 2025 08:38:36 ago (+1/-0)
You also have to remember that the current ethnicity ruling in Egypt is not the same as ancient Egypt. Conquerors are less likely to keep notes and history from the people they overthrew.
Don't worry, they will "find" some manuscripts in the future. Just like with Hittites. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites "Before the archeological discoveries that revealed the Hittite civilization, the only source of information about the Hittites had been the Hebrew Bible." It's all bullshit.
Plenty of Egyptian records of war with Hittites. The problem is that the accounts of their wars was pretty accurately given in Hittite records, but embellished in Egypt's favour in the Egyptian records.
Almost all of history is made up... there are almost zero primary sources before 1500.... unless it was in stone... I have a history degree I remember a professor explaining this and laughing because he knew how ridiculous it all was...
Look into druids you think you know about druids... nope there is practically nothing concrete primary source that talks about them its almost all made up bullshit
[ - ] Eliack 1 point 8 hoursMay 3, 2025 06:15:33 ago (+1/-0)
Why do you guys expect every single historical event to be written and available? And why do you pretend like the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence? Bible mentions A LOT OF historical events, many of which have been proven and many of which will naturally be out of our reach. Let's say we have direct mentions of the Exodus and David in records (we do indeed have for the latter btw), will you demand one for Adam's existence as well?
[ - ] UncleDoug 1 point 10 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:46:22 ago (+2/-1)
So Jesus in fact didn’t fight the jews because they never existed. So Christianity isn’t the opposite of Judaism, because there was no judaism. Nor did Jesus flip and jew money table or whip any jews. That angry hippie was whipping Whites the entire time. Just trying to get your story straight.
I care because the Bible never used the word "jew" ever. It used the word Judean, which meant it was the common word for twelve tribes there. Its the same as saying German is now the name of all Europeans.
Why can't you answer the question? When we talk about Jews, do you think we care specificially about the letters that spell "j" "e" "w"? or the genetics those letters represent?
There's a word for these people... They are called "Jews". I'm not particularly concerned with what kind of Jew they are just throw them in the oven and be done with it.
[ - ] Love240 1 point 11 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:17:50 ago (+1/-0)
The 'received texts' (textus receptus) are the only 100% accurate texts, as God says that he will preserve every jot and tittle until all is fulfilled.
Without the Holy Spirit, you will not know where to begin in the first place, because He is the Spirit of Christ and God who will lead you into all truth.
The KJV is the best English version, and you must do your due diligence to make sure that you comprehend what is being conveyed.
Jews/Hebrews didn’t exist until well into the New Kingdom period. So the pyramid builders would have no experience with such a group. Its argued that hebrew descended from the hyksos, a group of semites who the Egyptians fought alot with ( the hyksos took over about half of Egypt for 300 years, 1800 - 1550 BC)
At its greatest extent (1500-1100bc) Egypt entirely subsumes Canaan and yet theres no word of Canaan being ruled over by Egyptians in the OT. Theres no evidence of a large migration of culturally egyptianized people settling in Canaan or genociding many indigenous “goyim” .
Theres plenty of evidence that the Hebrews of the bible were not patrilineally descended from a single patriarch circa 2000 bc. (See Y chromosomal haplogroups) So their biblical ethnogenesis is highly flawed. The people writing the OT were speculating about the origins of a group of unrelated tribes united civilly during a time when Canaanites/Hebrews could not read or write.
Its been hypothesized that a group of unrelated tribes were united under a powerful centralized military regime around 1000. Individuals like David and Saul might have been part of such a regime. But the regime kept no records. Neighboring nations like Babylon and Assyria didn’t record any such king. Contrary to the bible, historians believe Israel/Judah was a really rinky-dink country that other major powers in the area didn’t often mention in their records.
The “history” of the bible is highly unreliable and based on oral traditions about a time when the people in question had no writing. They didn’t exist when they say they existed. They didn’t travel where they said they travelled. They don’t have recollection of an Egyptian empire ruling them just a few centuries earlier. They weren’t monotheists until a very late period (700-400bc or later - see Elephantine Island ). We know the bible was revised over and over to maintain political correctness as the religion and politics evolved.
Why am I saying all this stuff? Because you can’t believe the bible, not even the non-supernatural stuff. All that persecution jazz is just evidence of a lack of historical perspective on the part of the bible authors.
The priests argued that the Hebrews/jews were being attacked by foreigners because they weren’t worshipping Yahweh properly. But it was just because they had alot of aggressive neighbors. That happened to everybody. The exageration of jewish persecution in the bible is ridiculous. The Bablyonian exile was likely just a few thousand political elites who the Babylonians had the curtesy not to execute
Modern jews are not heavily descended from these early hebrews. They are highly admixed with other groups in the middle east and europe. But they do a similar thing. Rabbis promote an “evil goyim” narrative so that their diaspora communities will not “drop out” of judaism and assimilate. Its a gimmick to control their congregants. Diaspora jews have done the majority of the exploitation in the relationship with their host countries. This is why the jobs they take are different from everybody else’s. Slavery and usury are good examples. The arenda system is another. They are not objective chroniclers of their own history.
are there any israeli monarchs that have been mentioned in extra biblical texts unlike david and solomon?
ChatGPT said:
Yes—several monarchs of Israel and Judah are mentioned in extra-biblical texts, especially from Assyrian, Babylonian, and Moabite sources. These mentions are often tied to military campaigns, tribute payments, or political alliances. Here are the most securely attested monarchs of ancient Israel and Judah from non-biblical sources:
✅ Kings of Israel (Northern Kingdom) 1. Omri (ca. 885–874 BCE) Mentioned in: The Mesha Stele (Moabite Stone).
Content: King Mesha of Moab refers to Israel as the "House of Omri" (even after Omri’s death), indicating his dynasty’s fame.
Also mentioned in Assyrian records as “Bit Humri” (House of Omri).
2. Ahab (ca. 874–853 BCE) Mentioned in: Kurkh Monolith of Assyrian king Shalmaneser III.
Content: Records the Battle of Qarqar (853 BCE) where Ahab contributed 2,000 chariots and 10,000 men to a coalition against Assyria.
A rare external confirmation of an Israelite king as a military player.
3. Jehu (ca. 841–814 BCE) Mentioned in: The Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III (Assyria).
Content: Depicts Jehu (or his envoy) bowing before the Assyrian king—the only known image of an Israelite king.
He is called "Jehu of the House of Omri" (despite overthrowing that dynasty).
✅ Kings of Judah (Southern Kingdom) 4. Hezekiah (ca. 715–686 BCE) Mentioned in: Assyrian records of Sennacherib, particularly the Taylor Prism.
Content: Sennacherib describes his 701 BCE campaign against Judah, saying he trapped Hezekiah in Jerusalem “like a bird in a cage.”
This aligns with the biblical account, though the outcomes are presented differently.
5. Manasseh (ca. 687–643 BCE) Mentioned in: Assyrian records (Esarhaddon and Ashurbanipal).
Content: Listed among 22 kings who paid tribute to Assyria. He appears as a loyal vassal, not a rebel.
6. Jehoiachin (ca. 597 BCE) Mentioned in: Babylonian records, specifically the Babylonian Ration Tablets from the time of Nebuchadnezzar II.
Content: Lists food rations for “Yaukin, king of the land of Judah,” confirming his exile and status in Babylon.
🟨 Possibly Referenced Kings Jeroboam II, Menahem, and Hoshea (kings of Israel) are mentioned or implied in Assyrian records, though less directly.
Zedekiah and Jehoiakim (Judah) appear in Babylonian sources relating to the conquest and exile of Jerusalem.
Summary: Yes, multiple Israelite and Judean kings are confirmed by external sources—especially from Assyria and Babylon. These references often align with the biblical narrative on key events like tribute, warfare, and exile, though the perspectives differ.
Would you like images or translations of any of these inscriptions, like the Black Obelisk or the Babylonian Ration Tablets?
You said: so on the judean side these kings are all descendants of king david and solomon?
ChatGPT said: Yes—according to both the Bible and the external evidence we have, all the kings of Judah mentioned in extra-biblical sources (like Hezekiah, Manasseh, Jehoiachin, etc.) are presented in the biblical narrative as descendants of King David, forming part of the Davidic dynasty.
Here’s a brief outline of that dynastic continuity based on the biblical lineage:
📜 Davidic Line (as per the Bible) David →
Solomon →
Rehoboam → ... and then down through many generations to:
Hezekiah (great-great-great-grandson of Solomon)
Manasseh (Hezekiah’s son)
Jehoiakim and Zedekiah (descendants of David through different branches)
Jehoiachin (Jehoiakim’s son, exiled to Babylon)
All of these rulers are presented as kings of Judah, ruling from Jerusalem, and are part of what is known as the House of David.
🪶 External Sources and the Davidic Line While external texts don’t mention David by name (except for the likely reference in the Tel Dan Stele), the Assyrian and Babylonian sources confirm the names and reigns of his supposed descendants, as described in the Bible.
This means:
The Davidic dynasty, as a concept, is credible from both internal and external perspectives.
The continuity of rule in Judah by a single family line—centered in Jerusalem—is historically supported.
🧩 Summary Yes—all Judean kings mentioned in extra-biblical sources are described in the Bible as descendants of David and Solomon, and archaeology supports the existence of these later kings and their governance, even if David and Solomon themselves lack direct external confirmation.
In otherwords, no confirmation of david and solomon as founders of a dynasty. No confirmation of relatedness of any of these kings in external sources except for jehu/omri, which conflicts with the bible!
There is no direct, unambiguous evidence from ancient Egyptian sources confirming the biblical account of the Israelites' presence in Egypt—especially not in the dramatic form described in the book of Exodus (plagues, the Exodus, Pharaoh’s army drowning, etc.). However, there are a few pieces of indirect or possibly related evidence that scholars debate:
1. Merneptah Stele (ca. 1208 BCE)
What it is: A victory inscription by Pharaoh Merneptah, son of Ramesses II.
Why it matters: It contains the earliest known extra-biblical reference to "Israel".
It reads: “Israel is laid waste, its seed is not.”
Interpretation: Israel is mentioned as a people group already living in Canaan, not in Egypt. So it does not confirm a stay in Egypt, but it shows that a group called Israel was known to Egypt by the late 13th century BCE.
2. Semitic Peoples in Egypt
Egyptian records and archaeological evidence show that Semitic peoples (including West Semites, like the Hebrews) lived in Egypt during the 2nd millennium BCE.
The most famous are the Hyksos (ca. 1650–1550 BCE), Semitic rulers who took over parts of Egypt.
Also, tomb paintings (e.g. at Beni Hasan) and papyri show Semitic workers and slaves in Egypt.
However, there is no direct link between these people and the Israelites >specifically.
3. Theories Based on Indirect Evidence
Some scholars suggest the Exodus story is a cultural memory based on the expulsion of the Hyksos, or other smaller Semitic groups leaving Egypt over time.
Others see it as a later mythologized account, perhaps rooted in smaller real migrations, but shaped over centuries into a national origin story.
Summary: No direct archaeological or textual evidence from Egypt confirms the biblical story of the Israelites' stay or dramatic Exodus.
However, the existence of Semitic people in Egypt and the Merneptah Stele provide a context in which such a story could have emerged, though not proof of its details.
me:do we have king david existence from other sources than the bible?
ChatGPT said:
The historical existence of King David, a central figure in the Hebrew Bible, is a subject of ongoing scholarly debate. While the Bible offers the most detailed account of David's life, there is some evidence outside the Bible that suggests he may have been a historical figure:
1. The Tel Dan Stele (9th century BCE) Discovered in the 1990s in northern Israel.
An Aramaic inscription likely commemorating a victory by a king of Aram (possibly Hazael) over Israel and Judah.
It refers to the "House of David" (Hebrew: Beit David), which most scholars interpret as a dynasty founded by David.
This is the strongest archaeological evidence for David's historicity, though some fringe scholars debate the reading.
2. The Mesha Stele (Moabite Stone, ca. 840 BCE) Found in Jordan in the 19th century.
Mentions conflicts between Moab and Israel.
Some scholars argue it may also reference the "House of David," although the text >is partially damaged and the interpretation is debated.
3. Archaeological Evidence in Jerusalem
Excavations in the "City of David" area have uncovered large structures dating to the 10th century BCE.
Some archaeologists, like Eilat Mazar, have suggested these may be linked to a >Davidic monarchy.
However, the dating and identification are contested, with other scholars arguing >they don’t necessarily point to a powerful united kingdom under David.
Conclusion: There is some non-biblical evidence for the existence of a historical David, particularly through the Tel Dan Stele, which most scholars take as evidence for a Davidic dynasty. However, the extent of his power, the historical accuracy of the biblical narrative, and even his personal existence are still matters of scholarly interpretation and debate.
At the time of the supposed "Slavery of Jews" there was no actual "Jewish" people. They didn't become "Jews" until after their Exodus from Egypt.
There is a debate on if the mystery people referenced in Ancient Egyptian records are the precursor of the Jews. The "Hyksos" are just one of many unknown groups that the Egyptians waged war against, and captured as slaves.
Also heard the claim there’s no historical record of the biblical king David’s existence. At least not from any other neighbouring ruler anywhere near his alleged lifetime
David, king, r. ca. 1010–970, 1 Samuel 16:13, etc. in three inscriptions. Most notable is the victory stele in Aramaic known as the “house of David” inscription, discovered at Tel Dan; Avraham Biran and Joseph Naveh, “An Aramaic Stele from Tel Dan,” IEJ 43 (1993), pp. 81–98, and idem, “The Tel Dan Inscription: A New Fragment,” IEJ 45 (1995), pp. 1–18. An ancient Aramaic word pattern in line 9 designates David as the founder of the dynasty of Judah in the phrase “house of David” (2 Sam 2:11 and 5:5; Gary A. Rendsburg, “On the Writing ביתדיד [BYTDWD] in the Aramaic Inscription from Tel Dan,” IEJ 45 [1995], pp. 22–25; Raging Torrent, p. 20, under “Ba’asha . . .”; IBP, pp. 110–132, 265–77; “Sixteen,” pp. 41–43). In the second inscription, the Mesha Inscription, the phrase “house of David” appears in Moabite in line 31 with the same meaning: that he is the founder of the dynasty. There David’s name appears with only its first letter destroyed, and no other letter in that spot makes sense without creating a very strained, awkward reading (André Lemaire, “‘House of David’ Restored in Moabite Inscription,” BAR 20, no. 3 [May/June 1994]: pp. 30–37. David’s name also appears in line 12 of the Mesha Inscription (Anson F. Rainey, “Mesha‘ and Syntax,” in J. Andrew Dearman and M. Patrick Graham, eds., The Land That I Will Show You: Essays on the History and Archaeology of the Ancient Near East in Honor of J. Maxwell Miller. (JSOT Supplement series, no. 343; Sheffield, England:Sheffield Academic, 2001), pp. 287–307; IBP, pp. 265–277; “Sixteen,” pp. 41–43). The third inscription, in Egyptian, mentions a region in the Negev called “the heights of David” after King David (Kenneth A. Kitchen, “A Possible Mention of David in the Late Tenth Century B.C.E., and Deity *Dod as Dead as the Dodo?” Journal for the Study of the Old Testament 76 [1997], pp. 39–41; IBP, p. 214 note 3, which is revised in “Corrections,” pp. 119–121; “Sixteen,” p. 43). In the table on p. 46 of BAR, David is listed as king of Judah. According to 2 Samuel 5:5, for his first seven years and six months as a monarch, he ruled only the southern kingdom of Judah. We have no inscription that refers to David as king over all Israel (that is, the united kingdom) as also stated in 2 Sam 5:5.
It's not even controversial to say that these things didn't happen. Most scholars today deny it unless they have faith commitments to Judaism or Christianity. The archaeological evidence is not just scant, it's absent. And most experts in ancient language and texts think that the Old Testament was written quite late (3rd-2nd century BC) as an attempt at founding or consolidating a national history; they pulled from a great deal of existing mythology to write these stories. One confounder for this is that there were no jews in Egypt. There were various people groups in the levant that had checkered relationships with Egypt and were conquered time and again by the competing empires of the day. Here, we're talking about Canaanites broadly.
To get an idea for what the OT is, you have to imagine a group of people who are trying to create an identity, primarily by way of inventing one sui generis by distinguishing themselves from their actual origins, i.e., the Canaanites. It isn't accidental that a major part of that story involves God licensing the Israelites to slaughter the Canaanites. This is effectively a literary tool for denying one's history and inventing one whole cloth. It would be like race traitors today writing a revisionist history in which they kill racist whites with God's permission. In overcoming their actual origins through denial, they get to write in a new people group by hand.
The jews in Alexandria who are writing these books are working with the version of history that's akin to how Trump's fans remember the 2016 era. It's not history the way we understand it today. It's fan fic. It's the history that serves the authors the most.
Passover, their most important holy day, is a celebration of the mass murder of Egyptian babies. And they got away with it. Or do you believe the creator of the universe that "chose" them as His special people needed sheep blood painted over the doors so He wouldn't kill the wrong baby?
Aka a gypsy...a vagabond strolling about and subsisting mostly by theft, robbery and fortune-telling aka a wandering jew. Furthermore...egypt/aigyptos - "the river nile" aka DE-NIAL. What's another word for wandering? To roam/rome...and that's how he-brew his-story about Egypt and Rome.
As for persecution aka per (forwards) sekw (to follow)...that's only for gentiles.
The OT was written in the 200s BC. Jewed academics try to claim 500s BC, but it's 200s. That's 2000 yrs minimum after the pyramids were built. That lie of their building the pyramids was completely decimated when we found out their age, making them and freemasons look like utter morons. But they can't do anything else except cling to the lie now.
They had no mythology so they made up their own and combined it with a very loose understanding of their pathetic history.
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Semitic migrants from the levant who made up the lowest castes who eventually worked into the priestly caste who decided the rules for society and then selected the next pharao and then became the pharoahs...
Then revolution and they were 'permitted' to leave by the returning egyptian local dynasty.
That shit is in egyptian and assyrian records.
Sound familiar?
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[ - ] 3Whuurs [op] 1 point 11 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:23:45 ago (+1/-0)
So there’s Egyptian and Assyrian records of jews total enslavement and persecution in Egypt?
Sounds like they just had nonstop access to upward momentum.
So jews was pharaohs?
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Its well before moses and the exodus etc, historical non biblical stuff has always called these people at least, 'levantine semites' as opposed to 'egytian' as for moses time, the pharoah isnt named so people extrapolate.
Pre bible egyptian recorded stuff talks about sea peoples fucking up everything which were people from all over the place moving out of europe which is where egypt probably gets chariots and shit from. But they were communicating with assyria babylon mycaenean greece etc already for a good couple thousand years.
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[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 1 point 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:03:09 ago (+1/-0)
- https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/first-foreign-takeover-ancient-egypt-was-uprising-not-invasion-180975354/
At that time the Egyptian Pyramids, Sphinx, and the entire culture of Egyptian people had been around for over 2,000 years prior.
The "Hyksos" ruled Egypt for a very short time, and then were cunt-punted out.
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The story of Joseph is basically the story about how Jews subverted their way into positions of power in Egypt.
Just like they do everywhere else.
It's not a literally factually accurate account of what happened.
It's more like a "racial memory".
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Answer: the Hebrews are a “made up” people (as many others are) that did not exist until 1000 bc or so. And they didn’t write shit down for several hundred years after that. Their entire history is unreliable.
Its fun to speculate whether the Hyksos really had the “jewish moxie” or not. So Ill post links to some of Pharoah Kamose’s inscriptions discussing the Hyksos (asiatic) which may be relevant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnarvon_Tablet
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In his reading of this older primary source he also mentioned that the Jews did not cross the Red Sea but crossed the Reed see which is a much more shallow body of water in the area.
If I can find that video I'll link it but I think I have linked it before.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RohPpQRKHSs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C618MkFej
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 3 - Fairytale or History? [2.10.46]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpydrE_4X8
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 4 - Q&A [1.00.05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUDep5GFMLQ
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Just like with Hittites. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites
"Before the archeological discoveries that revealed the Hittite civilization, the only source of information about the Hittites had been the Hebrew Bible."
It's all bullshit.
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Look into druids you think you know about druids... nope there is practically nothing concrete primary source that talks about them its almost all made up bullshit
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Ot is judeo-satanists nigger shit.
The bible was written by a jew who slaughtered Christians and not one person who knew jesus was allowed into the bible.
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There were Judeans, Judahites, Pharasees, Saducees, Edomites, etc.
The fact that you do not care to know your enemy tells me that you are not a serious person.
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None of those original jews exist anymore.
But regardless. The ot is stolen.
Look up Ziusudra.
The jews got their religion from their time in babylon. Stolen from zoroastrianism.
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Jesus then refers to them as liars who say they are 'jews' and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Those groups previously mentioned are indeed NOT Children of God, as Jesus noted.
An actual 'jew' is one who is a Child of God, Jahudi (Jahudiym for plural).
That's the reason to call those who say they are 'jews' kikes.
If you did your due diligence you would know this.
But like I observed the first time, the fact that you don't care to shows you are not a serious person.
[ + ] DukeofRaul
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[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 1 point 10 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:46:22 ago (+2/-1)
Just trying to get your story straight.
[ + ] DukeofRaul
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[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 -1 points 10 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:52:43 ago (+1/-2)
I just said who the groups of people were.
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[ - ] Razzoriel 1 point 7 hoursMay 3, 2025 07:17:07 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:44:20 ago (+0/-0)
But the pattern of genes were there, regardless.
When people talk about Jews inntge Levant, do you think we care about the word? Or the pattern of genetics that the word represents?
[ + ] Razzoriel
[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:09:42 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:24:59 ago (+0/-0)
Do you think we care about 3 specific letters "j" "e" "w"?
Or do you think we care about genetics?
It's pretty clear who the Gremans are: The people decended from the Battle Axe Culture.
Just as Jews are defined as the people who are decended from Abraham.
It's not complicated, you just actually have to actually read the Bible... Which no Christian has ever done, ever.
[ + ] Razzoriel
[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:28:38 ago (+0/-0)
All Europeans descend from the same proto-indoeuropean group as well. Its not complicated.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:43:31 ago (+0/-0)
When we talk about Jews, do you think we care specificially about the letters that spell "j" "e" "w"? or the genetics those letters represent?
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[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 5 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:22:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:40:19 ago (+0/-0)
They are called "Jews".
I'm not particularly concerned with what kind of Jew they are just throw them in the oven and be done with it.
[ + ] DukeofRaul
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[ - ] Love240 1 point 11 hoursMay 3, 2025 03:17:50 ago (+1/-0)
Without the Holy Spirit, you will not know where to begin in the first place, because He is the Spirit of Christ and God who will lead you into all truth.
The KJV is the best English version, and you must do your due diligence to make sure that you comprehend what is being conveyed.
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[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 0 points 5 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:38:40 ago (+0/-0)
Prophet Found Through Archaeology - Bible Proves True - Expedition Bible [5.44]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoZ3QdzDwoc
53 People in the Bible Confirmed Archaeologically - Biblical Archaeology Society
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/50-people-in-the-bible-confirmed-archaeologically/
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 hourMay 3, 2025 12:53:47 ago (+0/-0)
At its greatest extent (1500-1100bc) Egypt entirely subsumes Canaan and yet theres no word of Canaan being ruled over by Egyptians in the OT. Theres no evidence of a large migration of culturally egyptianized people settling in Canaan or genociding many indigenous “goyim” .
Theres plenty of evidence that the Hebrews of the bible were not patrilineally descended from a single patriarch circa 2000 bc. (See Y chromosomal haplogroups) So their biblical ethnogenesis is highly flawed. The people writing the OT were speculating about the origins of a group of unrelated tribes united civilly during a time when Canaanites/Hebrews could not read or write.
Its been hypothesized that a group of unrelated tribes were united under a powerful centralized military regime around 1000. Individuals like David and Saul might have been part of such a regime. But the regime kept no records. Neighboring nations like Babylon and Assyria didn’t record any such king. Contrary to the bible, historians believe Israel/Judah was a really rinky-dink country that other major powers in the area didn’t often mention in their records.
The “history” of the bible is highly unreliable and based on oral traditions about a time when the people in question had no writing. They didn’t exist when they say they existed. They didn’t travel where they said they travelled. They don’t have recollection of an Egyptian empire ruling them just a few centuries earlier. They weren’t monotheists until a very late period (700-400bc or later - see Elephantine Island ). We know the bible was revised over and over to maintain political correctness as the religion and politics evolved.
Why am I saying all this stuff? Because you can’t believe the bible, not even the non-supernatural stuff. All that persecution jazz is just evidence of a lack of historical perspective on the part of the bible authors.
The priests argued that the Hebrews/jews were being attacked by foreigners because they weren’t worshipping Yahweh properly. But it was just because they had alot of aggressive neighbors. That happened to everybody. The exageration of jewish persecution in the bible is ridiculous. The Bablyonian exile was likely just a few thousand political elites who the Babylonians had the curtesy not to execute
Modern jews are not heavily descended from these early hebrews. They are highly admixed with other groups in the middle east and europe. But they do a similar thing. Rabbis promote an “evil goyim” narrative so that their diaspora communities will not “drop out” of judaism and assimilate. Its a gimmick to control their congregants. Diaspora jews have done the majority of the exploitation in the relationship with their host countries. This is why the jobs they take are different from everybody else’s. Slavery and usury are good examples. The arenda system is another. They are not objective chroniclers of their own history.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:22:27 ago (+0/-0)
ChatGPT said:
Yes—several monarchs of Israel and Judah are mentioned in extra-biblical texts, especially from Assyrian, Babylonian, and Moabite sources. These mentions are often tied to military campaigns, tribute payments, or political alliances. Here are the most securely attested monarchs of ancient Israel and Judah from non-biblical sources:
✅ Kings of Israel (Northern Kingdom)
1. Omri (ca. 885–874 BCE)
Mentioned in: The Mesha Stele (Moabite Stone).
Content: King Mesha of Moab refers to Israel as the "House of Omri" (even after Omri’s death), indicating his dynasty’s fame.
Also mentioned in Assyrian records as “Bit Humri” (House of Omri).
2. Ahab (ca. 874–853 BCE)
Mentioned in: Kurkh Monolith of Assyrian king Shalmaneser III.
Content: Records the Battle of Qarqar (853 BCE) where Ahab contributed 2,000 chariots and 10,000 men to a coalition against Assyria.
A rare external confirmation of an Israelite king as a military player.
3. Jehu (ca. 841–814 BCE)
Mentioned in: The Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III (Assyria).
Content: Depicts Jehu (or his envoy) bowing before the Assyrian king—the only known image of an Israelite king.
He is called "Jehu of the House of Omri" (despite overthrowing that dynasty).
✅ Kings of Judah (Southern Kingdom)
4. Hezekiah (ca. 715–686 BCE)
Mentioned in: Assyrian records of Sennacherib, particularly the Taylor Prism.
Content: Sennacherib describes his 701 BCE campaign against Judah, saying he trapped Hezekiah in Jerusalem “like a bird in a cage.”
This aligns with the biblical account, though the outcomes are presented differently.
5. Manasseh (ca. 687–643 BCE)
Mentioned in: Assyrian records (Esarhaddon and Ashurbanipal).
Content: Listed among 22 kings who paid tribute to Assyria. He appears as a loyal vassal, not a rebel.
6. Jehoiachin (ca. 597 BCE)
Mentioned in: Babylonian records, specifically the Babylonian Ration Tablets from the time of Nebuchadnezzar II.
Content: Lists food rations for “Yaukin, king of the land of Judah,” confirming his exile and status in Babylon.
🟨 Possibly Referenced Kings
Jeroboam II, Menahem, and Hoshea (kings of Israel) are mentioned or implied in Assyrian records, though less directly.
Zedekiah and Jehoiakim (Judah) appear in Babylonian sources relating to the conquest and exile of Jerusalem.
Summary:
Yes, multiple Israelite and Judean kings are confirmed by external sources—especially from Assyria and Babylon. These references often align with the biblical narrative on key events like tribute, warfare, and exile, though the perspectives differ.
Would you like images or translations of any of these inscriptions, like the Black Obelisk or the Babylonian Ration Tablets?
You said:
so on the judean side these kings are all descendants of king david and solomon?
ChatGPT said:
Yes—according to both the Bible and the external evidence we have, all the kings of Judah mentioned in extra-biblical sources (like Hezekiah, Manasseh, Jehoiachin, etc.) are presented in the biblical narrative as descendants of King David, forming part of the Davidic dynasty.
Here’s a brief outline of that dynastic continuity based on the biblical lineage:
📜 Davidic Line (as per the Bible)
David →
Solomon →
Rehoboam →
... and then down through many generations to:
Hezekiah (great-great-great-grandson of Solomon)
Manasseh (Hezekiah’s son)
Jehoiakim and Zedekiah (descendants of David through different branches)
Jehoiachin (Jehoiakim’s son, exiled to Babylon)
All of these rulers are presented as kings of Judah, ruling from Jerusalem, and are part of what is known as the House of David.
🪶 External Sources and the Davidic Line
While external texts don’t mention David by name (except for the likely reference in the Tel Dan Stele), the Assyrian and Babylonian sources confirm the names and reigns of his supposed descendants, as described in the Bible.
This means:
The Davidic dynasty, as a concept, is credible from both internal and external perspectives.
The continuity of rule in Judah by a single family line—centered in Jerusalem—is historically supported.
🧩 Summary
Yes—all Judean kings mentioned in extra-biblical sources are described in the Bible as descendants of David and Solomon, and archaeology supports the existence of these later kings and their governance, even if David and Solomon themselves lack direct external confirmation.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 hourMay 3, 2025 13:01:49 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Bassman9000
[ - ] Bassman9000 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:17:25 ago (+0/-0)
Nobody likes to hear that but white people who are awake to the nonsense.
Christ cucks. It's OK, there's a God above gods our soul comes from. We figured it out. Not the jews.
There's also a bunch of lesser gods.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:14:54 ago (+0/-0)
No direct archaeological or textual evidence from Egypt confirms the biblical story of the Israelites' stay or dramatic Exodus.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 10:11:04 ago (+0/-0)
Discovered in the 1990s in northern Israel.
Found in Jordan in the 19th century.
There is some non-biblical evidence for the existence of a historical David, particularly through the Tel Dan Stele, which most scholars take as evidence for a Davidic dynasty. However, the extent of his power, the historical accuracy of the biblical narrative, and even his personal existence are still matters of scholarly interpretation and debate.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:59:04 ago (+0/-0)
Pharaoh instructed the midwives to kill all the male children of the Israelites.
Yahuah demanded Pharaoh let His people go.
Tomb of the Exodus Pharaoh: What Was Found & Why You Don't Know About It! - Expedition Bible [26.12]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJP4pVjnWpk
Amenhotep II
The Exodus Pharaoh EXPLAINED! - Expedition Bible [22.13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JusQxiTXnE
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:58:37 ago (+0/-0)*
There is a debate on if the mystery people referenced in Ancient Egyptian records are the precursor of the Jews. The "Hyksos" are just one of many unknown groups that the Egyptians waged war against, and captured as slaves.
- https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/first-foreign-takeover-ancient-egypt-was-uprising-not-invasion-180975354/
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 0 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:47:39 ago (+0/-0)
David, king, r. ca. 1010–970, 1 Samuel 16:13, etc. in three inscriptions. Most notable is the victory stele in Aramaic known as the “house of David” inscription, discovered at Tel Dan; Avraham Biran and Joseph Naveh, “An Aramaic Stele from Tel Dan,” IEJ 43 (1993), pp. 81–98, and idem, “The Tel Dan Inscription: A New Fragment,” IEJ 45 (1995), pp. 1–18. An ancient Aramaic word pattern in line 9 designates David as the founder of the dynasty of Judah in the phrase “house of David” (2 Sam 2:11 and 5:5; Gary A. Rendsburg, “On the Writing ביתדיד [BYTDWD] in the Aramaic Inscription from Tel Dan,” IEJ 45 [1995], pp. 22–25; Raging Torrent, p. 20, under “Ba’asha . . .”; IBP, pp. 110–132, 265–77; “Sixteen,” pp. 41–43).
In the second inscription, the Mesha Inscription, the phrase “house of David” appears in Moabite in line 31 with the same meaning: that he is the founder of the dynasty. There David’s name appears with only its first letter destroyed, and no other letter in that spot makes sense without creating a very strained, awkward reading (André Lemaire, “‘House of David’ Restored in Moabite Inscription,” BAR 20, no. 3 [May/June 1994]: pp. 30–37. David’s name also appears in line 12 of the Mesha Inscription (Anson F. Rainey, “Mesha‘ and Syntax,” in J. Andrew Dearman and M. Patrick Graham, eds., The Land That I Will Show You: Essays on the History and Archaeology of the Ancient Near East in Honor of J. Maxwell Miller. (JSOT Supplement series, no. 343; Sheffield, England:Sheffield Academic, 2001), pp. 287–307; IBP, pp. 265–277; “Sixteen,” pp. 41–43).
The third inscription, in Egyptian, mentions a region in the Negev called “the heights of David” after King David (Kenneth A. Kitchen, “A Possible Mention of David in the Late Tenth Century B.C.E., and Deity *Dod as Dead as the Dodo?” Journal for the Study of the Old Testament 76 [1997], pp. 39–41; IBP, p. 214 note 3, which is revised in “Corrections,” pp. 119–121; “Sixteen,” p. 43).
In the table on p. 46 of BAR, David is listed as king of Judah. According to 2 Samuel 5:5, for his first seven years and six months as a monarch, he ruled only the southern kingdom of Judah. We have no inscription that refers to David as king over all Israel (that is, the united kingdom) as also stated in 2 Sam 5:5.
53 People in the Bible Confirmed Archaeologically - Biblical Archaeology Society
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/50-people-in-the-bible-confirmed-archaeologically/
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 0 points 5 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:36:44 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RohPpQRKHSs
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 2 - The Evidence [1.53.11]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C618MkFej
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 3 - Fairytale or History? [2.10.46]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpydrE_4X8
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 4 - Q&A [1.00.05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUDep5GFMLQ
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 5 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:29:11 ago (+0/-0)
The Bible was written by Jews. It's full of lies.
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[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 6 hoursMay 3, 2025 08:38:34 ago (+1/-1)*
To get an idea for what the OT is, you have to imagine a group of people who are trying to create an identity, primarily by way of inventing one sui generis by distinguishing themselves from their actual origins, i.e., the Canaanites. It isn't accidental that a major part of that story involves God licensing the Israelites to slaughter the Canaanites. This is effectively a literary tool for denying one's history and inventing one whole cloth. It would be like race traitors today writing a revisionist history in which they kill racist whites with God's permission. In overcoming their actual origins through denial, they get to write in a new people group by hand.
The jews in Alexandria who are writing these books are working with the version of history that's akin to how Trump's fans remember the 2016 era. It's not history the way we understand it today. It's fan fic. It's the history that serves the authors the most.
[ + ] Puller_of_Noses
[ - ] Puller_of_Noses 0 points 7 hoursMay 3, 2025 07:37:58 ago (+1/-1)
What sounds more plausible?
Moses:
or
Pharaoh:
Passover, their most important holy day, is a celebration of the mass murder of Egyptian babies. And they got away with it.
Or do you believe the creator of the universe that "chose" them as His special people needed sheep blood painted over the doors so He wouldn't kill the wrong baby?
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[ + ] ImplicationOverReason
[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 7 hoursMay 3, 2025 06:53:16 ago (+1/-2)
Aka a gypsy...a vagabond strolling about and subsisting mostly by theft, robbery and fortune-telling aka a wandering jew. Furthermore...egypt/aigyptos - "the river nile" aka DE-NIAL. What's another word for wandering? To roam/rome...and that's how he-brew his-story about Egypt and Rome.
As for persecution aka per (forwards) sekw (to follow)...that's only for gentiles.
[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod
[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod -1 points 8 hoursMay 3, 2025 06:38:09 ago (+1/-2)
They had no mythology so they made up their own and combined it with a very loose understanding of their pathetic history.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer -1 points 4 hoursMay 3, 2025 09:48:48 ago (+0/-1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoZ3QdzDwoc