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Don't argue with non-Christians about Christ

submitted by Storefront to Christianity 1 weekApr 19, 2025 19:35:24 ago (+19/-4)     (Christianity)

Spread the word to those who need it. Ignore these boring assholes who think they have a handle on things.

Live the life Christ wanted you to live. You know how it feels already, when you're walking his path. It feels right because he is correct. It's so simple. Clouded humans come at you with clouded logic, as Satan creates clouds in their minds. They want to argue, pretend that what's already been proven for centuries is somehow wrong.

Lose yourself in his word and find yourself. Don't be afraid when lesser beings throw pebbles at you. Walk with him next to you. Be fulfilled. They are not. You are.


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[ - ] Sector2 6 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 22:01:58 ago (+6/-0)

Arguing about anything is usually a waste of time.

[ - ] Reunto 4 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 12:37:05 ago (+4/-0)

Arguments usually do not cause immediate change, they just plant the seeds for future change.

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 20:25:08 ago (+0/-0)

That's a fair point.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 2 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 22:15:50 ago (+2/-0)

Total truth.

[ - ] rabidR04CH 5 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 21:31:52 ago (+6/-1)

I've already done exactly that. The moment a person I know to not be a Christian tells me something about my religion, I make it clear to them that their opinion is unwelcome and that they are ignorant.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 21:33:36 ago (+3/-0)*

Good man. They seem to come out of the woodwork on all sides, no? Just as the Bible says they will, many times.

[ - ] Osmanthus 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 02:42:12 ago (+0/-0)

Which bible passage is this please

[ - ] Storefront [op] 1 point 1 weekApr 20, 2025 17:57:33 ago (+1/-0)



1. Matthew 10:16-22

“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves... you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

2. John 15:18-20

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you... If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.”

3. 2 Timothy 3:12

“Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.”

4. Luke 21:12-17

“But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you... You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. You will be hated by all for my name’s sake.”

5. 1 Peter 4:12-14

“Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you... If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.”

[ - ] Osmanthus 2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 21:18:40 ago (+2/-0)

wow, thanks for the effort

[ - ] oppressed 5 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:26:36 ago (+5/-0)

good encouragement

[ - ] VitaminSieg 3 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 00:41:07 ago (+3/-0)

Neat thing about faith is you don't need reasons or history or logic or evidence or

[ - ] Trope 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 22:42:11 ago (+4/-1)

The story of the ancient sacrificial savior is older than the Jew religion itself.

That said, I don’t need exact details to have faith.

[ - ] Not_C 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:30:42 ago (+4/-1)

Christianity is a weapon.
Freedom of religion is a weapon.

You are perfectly capable of telling both non-Christians and Christians that the Anti-Christ is not one person. That the Jews are the Anti-Christ, the Against-Jesus people.

Both non-Christians and Christians are allowed to justify their actions towards the Jews by citing freedom of religion.
Discrimination, expulsion, even genocide. All justified by Christianity and freedom of religion.

Explain to all Christians and non-Christians that -
Christianity is a weapon.
Freedom of religion is a weapon.
And you do not need to believe the mythology to unite together and use those weapons against the Jews, the Anti-Christ.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 1 point 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:53:24 ago (+2/-1)

Time to go back on the Schizo meds bro

[ - ] Not_C 1 point 1 weekApr 19, 2025 23:03:38 ago (+2/-1)

Attacking the messenger because you can't attack the message.
Thanks for admitting I'm right.

And not only admitting I'm right, but the people who use this site are extra sensitive to seeing others attack the messenger. So you just helped radicalise even more people with your actions.
So again, thank you.

And once more -
It doesn't matter if any of you are Christians or non-Christians. We can all unite, and use Christianity and freedom of religion to label the Jews the way the Bible intended. As the Anti-Christ. (2 John 1:7)
And to use Christianity and freedom of religion to justify our actions towards the Jews.

[ - ] GeorgeBailey 2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 06:46:19 ago (+2/-0)

Philippians 1
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:06:12 ago (+4/-2)

I dont often try to convince christians that christ is not god. But I think you should be confident enough to field debate points on the subject if you know youre right.

Lose yourself in his word and find yourself.

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 1 point 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:19:15 ago (+2/-1)

OK well do you have anything more to contribute? You've vaguely accused me of being a fed on multiple occasions, and now you're vaguely talking about me brainwashing others.

Women can be extraordinarily passive aggressive to other women. Is that what you're doing? Edited to clarify: do you have a coherent point to make about why what I wrote sounds like brainwashing?

My post had nothing to do with whether Christ is or is not God, but I'd also love to hear your theological points on the matter since it's obviously on your mind.

[ - ] CHIRO 5 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 22:34:14 ago (+6/-1)*

I would say that I'm qualified to speak on this, and it is unequivocally true that Christianity is deleterious to the spirit, wellbeing, and broader interests of the European peoples. It is a suicidal pacifism that the elites of the world, including leaders of the Catholic church, have known to be a noble lie from its inception. It is time for people to mature and drop this heavy chain. I'd be more than happy to talk about any Christian apologetics you'd like, but I find it rare for Christians to commit to more than superficial debates. Often, when their first volley gets flustered, they grow emotional and begin throwing around normative faith talk before walking away.

If all you are trying to do is insulate your peers, I don't misunderstand your reasons. But I do wish that my peers in the natural world, which I assume you to be, would stop seeking shelter in theology. By my lights, it isn't what we need right now.

That being said, on this Easter weekend, I joyfully endorse the spirit and significance of the death and resurrection of God. It's just that Jesus is a historical accident that glommed this much broader set of ideas and opened the door for a whole bunch of Judaic eschatological baggage to get through. @PostWallHelena

[ - ] Storefront [op] 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 23:19:48 ago (+3/-0)

I appreciate your perspective. Just my personal experience has been that believing in Christ helped make me far less passive. I was lazy and ineffective in my life, depressed, unfocused. But I was raised as an Atheist and taught to hate Christians. I never imagined I'd be one, but when I took those steps, it freed me to really go to battle for my family against what I now see are some very evil elements of society.

They may manifest as gay culture or black culture or other types of degenerate cultures, but before Christ I saw it all as one big conglomeration - nobody was different, and everyone's point of view was valid.

Christianity helped me enormously, to narrow that view on right and wrong more than I thought I'd ever needed. And because of that, I'm a better white person, better equipped to help my kids navigate an increasingly debased world. And myself. I Don't know if that necessarily answers your points, but just my own perspective that Christianity honed my protective ability rather than weakened it, and I don't think I'm the only one.

[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 1 weekApr 19, 2025 23:37:12 ago (+2/-1)

It's difficult to argue with confessions like this. I believe every word of what you said. Probably, to get anywhere near where we'd start disagreeing would have us talking a bit more theoretically. When it comes to the personal changes Christianity can have on a man's life, there is a certain "stroke" of it, for lack of a better term, that I completely understand and sympathize with. It's far from a case of absolutes, i.e., all-good or all-bad. I don't have any special hatred of Christians in the broadest sense. I'm glad to hear you turned your life around. Good for you, man. Just out of curiosity, how old were you and what were the particular circumstances at the time that caused you to take on the faith?

[ - ] Storefront [op] 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 23:51:13 ago (+3/-0)

About 10 years ago. My husband died unexpectedly and I had to pause my (sarcasm) oh so busy and very very important professional life to be there for my kids, who were still basically babies.

Lots of harsh financial, emotional and physical realities, and when I turned to my big Atheist family for really anything, it was like turning to a black hole for support. It was my Christian friends who helped me, just supportively, and I began reading. It took many years for me to get even more "religious" but as I kept going I found the answers just weren't in the secular world. They weren't in work or money or even what most people perceive as reality. I kind of broke down, really couldn't function well, and I decided to cling on to the teachings of Christ because nobody else could provide me with any answers on how to move forward. And as I listened to his teachings and followed the word, things got better and better, and life began to make sense again.

I lost a lot, and had a lot of difficulty, but leaning on Christ helped me through, and now when I look at what I have -- I'm definitely not rich or anything, but my kids are healthy and happy and doing amazing. We have a good life, and hope and safety, all of that. I really don't believe I would have made it out without Jesus, and I'm incredibly grateful for it. I also see the fallacy in not believing, especially when all things fall apart.

The Yeats poem The Second Coming is one that I think describes how I feel well. In regular life I can see how Christianity can appear weak, but when the center does not hold, you have to have something to hold on to. Not just to believe in, but to lead you out and onward.

[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 1 weekApr 20, 2025 00:17:56 ago (+2/-1)

I'm sorry to hear about the tragedy. Glad to hear how you bounced back.

We'll probably chat more in the future. Look for me hating on the thing you love, haha. The only reason I even try to convince people against Christianity at this point is because I think there are better beliefs. I don't take joy in the mere attempt at stealing joy from people, but dammit do I like to argue.

Enjoy the big day tomorrow and the end of holy week.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 00:58:48 ago (+2/-0)

It may be arguing, but it's white arguing. So, pleasant and we may all go bowling afterwards. :)

[ - ] Panic 1 point 1 weekApr 20, 2025 10:13:54 ago (+1/-0)

I think there are better beliefs

@CHIRO, do expound on this topic.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 07:41:30 ago (+2/-0)

Wow you have come a long way in the last few years. Its really surprising to hear you say some of these things.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:42:24 ago (+3/-2)

You've vaguely accused me of being a fed on multiple occasions,

Ive been very careful not to make any accusations toward you because I don’t know you. I have just cautioned that it might not be wise to meet IRL with someone whose had an account for 3 months. Some folks have been around since the voat days, up to ten years. You are an unknown entity. I doubt youre a fed. But there are other types of bad actors out there.

Women can be extraordinarily passive aggressive to other women. Is that what you're doing?

I don’t believe I was being aggressive . If you’re determined to find something aggressive in my comment, I think I could find a comparable level of aggression in your post towards non-christians. But I mean, you made the post. You put it out there. Its a free speech side— people are going to respond who disagree with you. I don’t believe I have been disrespectful in anyway. But I don’t agree and what you describe seems like self-hypnosis and muting all disagreement with your religion, which is a little disturbing to me. We got into a lot of shitty wars over this doctrinaire stuff.

[ - ] SumerBreeze 2 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 23:31:25 ago (+2/-0)

She said PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE you dumb cunt. Why are you always playing stupid?

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1 weekApr 20, 2025 07:25:52 ago (+1/-0)

Passive aggressive is in fact a subset of aggressive behavior. If I deny being aggressive, that includes being passive aggressive.

Theres really no need for you to be abusive.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:13:27 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:27:16 ago (+0/-0)

I believe that there’s no such thing as god, or anything supernatural. I believe there’s many “factual” details of Jesus’ life that were clearly fabricated to support prophecy, calling in to question the veracity of the entirety of the NT. I think the OT is a book about a group of immoral polygamist barbarian polytheists which was reconned in later centuries to appear more monothesitic. As a long time atheist, I felt rather neutral about christianity... until I read the bible. I sometimes wonder if we’re reading the same book , Christians. Its not that I just believe its false— I think its mean and immoral.

[ - ] Razzoriel 1 point 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:38:35 ago (+1/-0)

FSSPX

[ - ] mahavishnunj 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 10:14:14 ago (+0/-0)

Please do, conversation is welcome. But the farthest I've gotten when presenting that it's obvious Jesus never existed is-
"I don't have to show you any evidence or research".

[ - ] Storefront [op] 1 point 1 weekApr 20, 2025 10:23:34 ago (+1/-0)

If you'd like, a great rundown of much of the evidence for Jesus's life is presented in quite an unbiased way in the Frontline documentary from Jesus to Christ. Many will accuse Frontline of being too liberal, but I find the reporting to almost always be quite good even if you may not like the angle. Anyway, it not only discusses the evidence for Jesus's life and death but the disciples as well. https://youtu.be/JN8FM1NCOSk?si=r7FbtXXn0lD1RMHV

This is part 1.

[ - ] mahavishnunj 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 10:35:23 ago (+0/-0)

There is no way I'm watching a Frontline documentary, come on. I grew up in this shit. I'd be more interested in an explanation on the earliest mention of "a guy", that COULD have been Jesus. Or could have been literally anyone else- is 200AD. Then the next is 100s of years after that. Frontline probably doesn't address that, but if anyone else can I'd love to hear it.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 11:09:01 ago (+0/-0)

"There's no way I'm going to look at the historical or scientific research because I already know everything, despite demanding people provide it." OK, good luck. I'll pray for you.

[ - ] mahavishnunj 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 12:21:00 ago (+0/-0)

As usual, Christians can't get it right and evade. After relaying that I will not watch a Frontline doc(LOL!!), I gave you a simple thing to actually address. And of course you didn't, because you can't.

[ - ] Panic 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 13:33:37 ago (+0/-0)

What you do believe to be true and what you don't believe to be true is not really a reason for discord here on UpGoat. I appreciate that you have good reasons for the conclusions you have reached. But cut a little slack for those who have come to different conclusions. There's room for all views on a free speech site. Oddly enough, I agree with both sides in this discussion. But I push no agendas, and surely nobody would be interested in my conclusions. And I'm fine with that.

[ - ] mahavishnunj 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 14:38:26 ago (+0/-0)

Christians are the LAST people who deserve any slack, along with any other dummy/asshole that supports and propagates organized religion. I offered a simple question that no Christian can answer apparently. I'm all ears if there's an actual response beyond, "I don't have to have evidence or logic of any kind".

[ - ] Panic 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 15:21:59 ago (+0/-0)

Tell me this then. Did Napoleon exist? No, I'm not kidding. There is exactly as much evidence for Napoleon having lived as Jesus.
-Paintings of him? Check.
-Changing many things in Europe? Check.
-Died prematurely? Check.
-Jewish? Actually, Check!

Perhaps you are a believer in Napoleon, but I'm not. It's all just hearsay. Call me crazy, but my point stands.

[ - ] mahavishnunj 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 15:42:25 ago (+0/-0)

You're not crazy, you're just dumb. Did that analogy rattle around in your head and make sense AFTER typing it and reading it before posting? At this point it's like you're typing random words that have nothing to do with anything.

"There is exactly as much evidence for Napoleon having lived as Jesus."
Read that again, it's beautiful in its stupidity.

[ - ] Panic 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 17:24:24 ago (+0/-0)

To be honest, I only believe what I have seen. Iran? Yep, been there. Britain? Yes again. Egypt, Lebanon, Mexico, Canada. Yes again.

But consider this please. We believe what we have been told more that what we know with certainty. I am told of places like Nepal, and can only take it on AUTHORITY that such a place exists. Now let's get back to Jesus, please.

Did Jesus exist? Believers take it on AUTHORITY that he did, most non-believers do not accept such 'authorized' accounts. For fun, here's an authority I 'might' trust. https://imgur.com/a/f6aAjnM

[ - ] goatfugee12 0 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:44:02 ago (+3/-3)

sounds like every faggot commie when you ask them to explain their beliefs.

worshipping a semite and refusing to enguage in civil discourse. typical jew behavior.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 2 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:52:31 ago (+4/-2)

I will break my promise to not argue with non Christians about christ to tell you to go fuck yourself, and hope you enjoy Hell faggot.

[ - ] goatfugee12 -2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 07:54:47 ago (+0/-2)

christcucks cant keep their word for more than 24 hours.

weak willed
weak faith
weak men

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod -2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 01:48:11 ago (+0/-2)

Imagine having a worldview so weak that you have to censor all opposition. The leftists of the right. You already lose the debate, you're a bunch of brainwashed children who can't handle the truth so you chuck a tantrum instead of being mature enough to accept you're wrong. What's worse is that, just like leftists, through your immature selfishness, you're actually helping and handing the Jews the keys to the world, and you're too dumb to see it.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 2 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 02:17:21 ago (+2/-0)

I'm not calling for censorship, I'm just suggesting Christians don't get caught up in engaging with the angry Christian haters on this forum.

Have you ever asked yourself why you feel so passionately about NOT believing in something? And do I come across as weak to you?

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 03:31:32 ago (+1/-1)

The only passion is frustration and annoyance at you clowns always interjecting your shit where it doesn't belong (the jews are trying to genocide white people, not christians, yet you all always try to make it all about your cult just to cause division and confusion) and falling for every controlled op who jerks off your jesus. Well that's far right christians. For regular christians I hate them for the same reason I hate leftists, they believe in the same shit which is destroying us.

If it wasn't causing issues, I would care about it as much as any other dumb cult, like Scientology. Of course, if there were Scientologists constantly making discussions about their cult on here, then I and more people are more likely to start arguing against their cult. That's just simple maths.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 10:14:44 ago (+1/-1)

You are literally on the Christianity forum, so yes, you will find Christians "constantly making discussions about their cult on here."

It's like you walked into a church and started complaining about all the people praying.

Happy Easter my blue eyed friend and happy Hitler's birthday. I will pray for you.

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 21:09:06 ago (+0/-0)

of course you're so dumb you think anybody is manually visiting this sub. i clicked on it because it appeared on the front page.

[ - ] mahavishnunj -1 points 1 weekApr 20, 2025 10:19:45 ago (+1/-2)

This. You're not going to get any real debate with all these points. You missed one-"yes, you are weak. For believing things anyone with the common sense of a 7 year old should realize is nonsense and problematic".

[ - ] rzr97 -4 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 19:57:24 ago (+1/-5)

I don't give a shit about either side. Most of the time it's kikebot 3000s sowing division. This post is probably that itself just to get people arguing. Kikebot 3000 division tactics.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 2 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:00:05 ago (+2/-0)

Point missed by at least 3000 miles.

[ - ] rzr97 -3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:01:02 ago (+0/-3)

Kikebot 3000 sowing division. Come on kike. Say it, FUCK JEWS!!! FUCK KIKES!!! Nothing else matters.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:10:28 ago (+3/-0)

Get a grip loser.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 2 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:25:49 ago (+2/-0)

Oy vey.

[ - ] rzr97 -6 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 20:28:54 ago (+0/-6)

That is what you kikes say.

[ - ] Storefront [op] 3 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 21:37:11 ago (+3/-0)

What is it like being functionally retarded?

[ - ] registered_bot 5 points 1 weekApr 19, 2025 22:09:30 ago (+5/-0)

rzr97 is definitely a lib, or a kike, or a retard, or an impudent child or some unholy combination of the mentioned. They are saying the same things on my posts where I literally label the kikes as the problem.