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They Say They Are Jews - But Are Not

submitted by PeterTheRoman to whatever 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 09:21:10 ago (+38/-2)     (files.catbox.moe)

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The first step is removing the power of the ridiculously exaggerated holocaust over the people.


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[ - ] inaminit 5 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:01:30 ago (+6/-1)

[ - ] Trope 0 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 23:02:25 ago (+0/-0)

Well I’ll be god damned.

[ - ] xmasskull 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 01:56:26 ago (+0/-0)

"I" forgive you!

[ - ] inaminit 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 12:30:22 ago (+0/-0)*

[ - ] Razzoriel 4 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:29:48 ago (+4/-0)

They may be jews, but are not Judean.

[ - ] Cunty 4 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 10:15:36 ago (+4/-0)

So chances are you're never being anti semetic when you argue with anyone from Israel, either way fuck them, as if they were there only Semites.

[ - ] xmasskull 3 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 15:17:08 ago (+3/-0)

catboxmoe..not responding???

[ - ] UncleDoug 3 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 11:19:50 ago (+4/-1)

If you read the study it states that Dr. Eran Elhaik believes modern Israeli to be a mixture of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries describing AK jews that are 32% the population of Israel. So 2/3 are full blown jews and 1/2 are Euro-jew admix.

This is all to assert his Khazarian Hypothesis and demonstrably ignore that Ashkenazi jews are still up to 50% Semite and Sephardic jews something similar.

If someone was 1/2 nigger, would Christcucks consider them to noot be a nigger?

[ - ] Master_Foo 3 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 19:43:42 ago (+3/-0)

If someone was 1/2 nigger, would Christcucks consider them to noot be a nigger?
Well if the Nigger was baptized, he is 100% a "brother in Christ".

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 12:19:50 ago (+3/-2)*

Thank you for bringing some actual resources to the discussion.

So 2/3 are full blown jews and 1/2 are Euro-jew admix.

He does not assert that anywhere and you cant conclude what non-AKs are based on what AKs are. There are morrocan jews, yemeni jews, iraqi jews, bukhari jews etc. They are not greatly related to each other like you would find Irish and English people to be. All these different groups settled in Israel within the last 3 or 4 generations. They all have large doses of host country DNA.

Palestinians have the most DNA from ancient canaan/palestine. These are the people most heavily descended from iron age “jews” (yahweh worshippers) but we all know AKs are the source of most of the trouble. Otherwise Palestinians would control congress and we all know they don’t.

I believe AKs are somewhat semitic. Maybe up to 50%. Mind you, Judean ancestry is not the same as Middle Eastern, and they try to conflate the two to overestimate their “israeliness”, but AKs are not the most semitic and semiticness is not the source of their differentness.

A mistake that I think everyone is making is that they want to know why AKs are so awful and they think that some population that they stem from 2000 years ago is the bad root of a rotten tree.

“Aha, they come from the Khazars and not our lord’s people. The Khazars must have been a bad seed” say the WN Christians

“Aha they come from old testament semites. Semites are the bad seed” say WN atheists and pagans.

Theres two problems with this approach. One: youre just kicking the can down the road. How did Khazars/Semites become bad in the first place? Two: people underestimate just how fast the behavioral traits of a population are evolving. I suggest that AK ancestors simultaneously took on greater and greater amounts of european genetics while getting “worse”. The unique economic niche they occupied in other people’s countries has been more consequential to their genetic behaviors than their origin populations. The high levels of economic contributions they required from members of their group led to high drop out rates from less zealous and less wealthy individuals (discards absorbed by host countries) . That shaped their behaviors through an agressive selection process.

I don’t really think the term christcuck fosters a logical debate on this issue.

[ - ] Sector2 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:47:02 ago (+1/-0)

I don’t really think the term christcuck fosters a logical debate on this issue.

You have to understand what they mean by that term. A "Christcuck" is the typical "modern Christian" with beliefs and practices unrelated to those prescribed in the Christian manual. They are your Universalists, Mormons, Catholics, Prosperatiests, and multiple other sects with "updated" or "prefered" interpretations of the manual.

The term "Christcuck" probably describes 99%+ of everyone labeled or self-identifying as Christian.

[ - ] TheNoticing 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 14:19:38 ago (+2/-1)

They're usually also one issue voters, that being abortion/pro-life. It's literally what they care about. Being pro or anti invasion means nothing to them. Being pro or anti gun means nothing. Being in favor of or against higher taxes means nothing. Being in favor of or against bringing in more H1B street shitters means nothing. That's a Christ cuck.

[ - ] Sector2 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 14:55:26 ago (+2/-0)

That's true of the 'animated-puppet' classes, whatever beliefs they have installed. See the "Musk is a Nazi" programming that's running in a lot of them at the moment.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 16:45:16 ago (+1/-2)

But guess what, the right wing pro-white christians on this site don’t see it that way. I wouldn’t either. Its insulting. Its meant to sexually humiliate anyone who worships Jesus. Say it or dont say it. But don’t say it and pretend it isn’t a massive fuck you to Christian allies on this site. I don’t say it because its needless ad hominem. I say Christian. I don’t need to say shit-piss-Jesus-dick-suckers. Its not productive.

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 23:41:34 ago (+0/-0)

Sure, it's intended to be an insult, but IMO it fails because it's misguided. From one perspective, it could be seen as (unintentionally) calling out the kinds of social and fake Christians the leftists and atheists like to cite.

When someone tries to insult me, I check the claim against reality and consider the source, then there's no reason to be offended.

[ - ] x0x7 -1 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:47:04 ago (+1/-2)*

AKs are nowhere near 50% semitic. If this were an ingredient list on the back of a cereal box the ingredients that would appear before bronze age Israelite would be (Germanic, Turkic, Greek, Arab, Slavic, Asiatic Steppe) then bronze age Israelite. Ignore the order in the first list. The point is all of those things are more represented than actual judean. I noticed you mentioned the iron age. I would argue that bronze age would be more relevant to identifying the ancient descendants of Abraham, which is what they are trying to claim. Even the division into the tribe of Judah is going to be pre-iron age.

Iron age Hebrew would be around the roman occupation of Palestine, which is already after one diaspora and coalescence. Even the iron age jew would be a bit Babylonian and Turkic, especially in culture.

Important chart of broad to specific ethnicity:

Semetic->Hebrew->Abrahamic->Isrealite->Judean

And AK is basically none of those things. They have more Semitic from cross over within their Arab admixture than they do from Judean. Arab itself is another mutt ethnicity that includes some Semitic. More than AKs considering a good portion of the Semitic in AK come from Arab.

Core AK has a bottleneck of some 150 individuals. There are like two actual jews in that 150 population.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 15:51:53 ago (+2/-1)

Arab is semitic. Bronze age/Iron age Canaanites were closely related to NW arabians, syrians, and mesopotamians.

If we are interested in what modern AK jews are derived from we should understand the the people of the fertile crescent/ eaastern med were exchanging alot of genetics already, before there was such a thing as a jew/israelite. It should be understood that much of genetics of the middle east, turkey, greece iran is derived from caucasus hunter gatherer ancestry. So is europe but to a lesser extent. So when you are looking at the markers of modern jews, they are going to have similar ancient components to other groups like “arabs” and greeks and anatolians, etc. How did the caucasus markers get into AK jews? From turks/khazars in the middle ages? From canaanites of the iron age? Or from greeks or italians? Depending on what software package you are using and what your initial assumptions are you could get different results. That is the problem with these studies of DNA and ancient ancestry. There is some subjectivity involved in the analysis. And probably bias.

But I do believe that AK jews are at least 50% middle eastern. If some of that DNA was from Iraq, or Egypt, it wouldn’t be surprising. But you are overreaching to claim with any certainty that AKs could not possibly have 50% levantine ancestry.

HIstorians/Archeologist define Iron Age Levant as 1200 - 500 BC. The date might be a bit different in Europe or Asia. The Bronze Age is listed as 3300 - 1200 BC. I would argue that Iron age is a better era to reference. Everyone needs to understand that the ethnogenisis of the Israelites as described in the bible is totally false. This is provable to everyone that believes in genetics. Its not just the supernatural stuff thats false. The entire history is false. You can’t rely on the bible for such information anymore than you can rely on stories about Zeus for greek genetics.

The people that we call ancient israelites/hebrews who worshipped Yahweh in the Iron age and early historical periods (Hellenistic, Roman...) didn’t exist in the Bronze age. Furthermore they were not patrilineally descended from Abraham or anyone else. This can be shown by examining the Y chomosome haplogroups of ancient hebrews and modern jews. Both these groups have a high diversity of Y choromosomes including E1b, J1, J2, G2, etc. These are groups that diverged 20 to 80kya!

A group of canaanites were brought together civilly under military conquest sometime during the Iron age. Some speculate under King David. Theres no way to know. They were not related closely (Arabians, Syrians,Mesopotamian) . Gradually these separate tribes (goyim) assimilated to the prestige culture which worshipped Yahweh, or a conflation of Yahweh/El and lost their original ethnic identity (happens all the time).

The regime promoted a narrative that everyone was related to create political stability (similar to China promoting the relatedness of the Han). Later on the priests of Yahweh banned the worship of other gods as evil (to create a religious monopoly$$$) and eventually promoted monotheism (700-300 BC or later) . Plus there were forced conversions under the Maccabbees and voluntary conversions outside the levant throughout the Hellenistic and Roman periods.

Your chart is not genetically useful. I wouldn’t even agree on the order. I would compare Judaism during that period to more of a political party than anything else. The bible’s authors made ancient Canaan seem more religiously and genetically homogeneous than it actually was. They were never in Egypt. All this shit has been established by geneticists, biblical scholars and archeologists, many of whom are (practicing) jews and christians. The time period of the founding of the Israelite people in the bible is wrong. The patrilneality of the israelites is wrong. The monotheism of early Judaism is wrong.

The relatedness to Ashkhenazi Jews to the the people living in Canaan/palestine in the last millenia BC is a whole other ball of wax. Also essentially a lie. But I do believe that AKs are mostly patrilineally descended from middle eastern jewish adherents living in the middle east around 2000 years ago. Remember Judaism is not proselytizing now but is was during most ancient periods.

Arab usually is used like Hispanic, determined by language usage. But some of the Israelite ancestry was from immigrants from northwest arabia. The early worship of Yahweh may have come from bedouin warlords of this quarter. SE arabians are distinct from these. Im tempted to go into the relationship of the Hebrews to early Islam but Ill control myself.

Yes Im aware of the maternal bottleneck and that it is european. There were probably multiple bottlenecks along the way. I assume its a white slavery sort of thing. I doubt Christian European men were eager for their daughters to marry wandering kikes in the middle ages.

[ - ] Razzoriel 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:31:46 ago (+1/-0)

If someone was 1/2 nigger, would Christcucks consider them to noot be a nigger?

I dont know, would they consider Ethiopians black? And black Americans? Its the same deal in Europe; they only consider white those that were born in Europe, or in the Five Eyes colonies.

[ - ] DivineLight2 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 14:11:34 ago (+1/-0)

They'd be a mulatto or niglet.

The question becomes blurred at 1/6 or 1/8 nig. What does a fagan think at 1/8th nig?

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 02:42:11 ago (+0/-0)*

Blurred? Thats still over 10%, way too much nig to be considered human.

What does a fagan think at 1/8th nig?

You should ask one, as Pagans only concern themselves with blood and soil. Only Christcucks are pretending jews arent jews and niggers can be brothers under christ.

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 01:10:43 ago (+0/-0)

So the guy that did the study that says 97% have no jew in them, says he thinks 2/3 are still jews?

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 01:24:21 ago (+0/-0)

Upvoting memes without a source is the equivalent of picking a race horse winner based on the colour of the jockeys jersey.

[ - ] x0x7 3 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 10:48:52 ago (+3/-0)

Which is why anti-semitism is a completely ridiculous phrase.

[ - ] Sector2 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:48:17 ago (+2/-0)

A more correct term is anti-jew/kike.

[ - ] IdentifyShills 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 12:23:52 ago (+1/-0)

Shulamit Aloni, a former Israeli minister admits that Israel weaponizes antisemitism:

“Anti-Semitism is a trick, we always use it. We bring up the Holocaust and call people anti-Semitic if they criticize Israel.”

[ - ] Master_Foo 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 19:41:12 ago (+2/-0)

Throw them all in the oven.

[ - ] con77 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 11:36:43 ago (+2/-0)

KHAZARIAN GANGSTERS WHO HID AMONG THE JEWS AND ASSUMED THEIR IDENTITY.

[ - ] Reunto 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 10:30:27 ago (+3/-1)

Does this demonstrate they aren't descendants of Abraham? Or does this show that DNA tests can be skewed?

It all depends on what reference point you are using for the archetypical ancestral "Hebrew". We don't have Abraham himself as a reference point.

It could be the case that 97.5% of modern Talmudic Jews are unrelated, but you can make a correct assertion based on bad evidence and it weakens the integrity of your position.

I want to see the study for myself and scrutinize it.

[ - ] inaminit 3 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 13:13:41 ago (+3/-0)

Abraham and his family were from Ur of the Chaldea in Babylon. (Genesis 11:31) that being said, all male children of Abraham will carry his Y chromosome to this very day... So how does one tell an Iraqi from a Hebrew?

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 18:13:17 ago (+1/-0)

Undoubtedly some of the tribes of Canaan had some ancestry from Mesopotamia, such as the Amorites. Such groups contributed to the israelite/hebrew ethnic group, which was mixed and did not descend patrilineally from a single guy 4000 years ago. You are right to bring up the Y chromosomes. The mesopotamians and the hebrews were Y chromosomally diverse. Even if Abraham was a real person from Ur he could only have one Y chromosome but the ancient jews had many Y chromosomes and modern jews have even more from mixing with Europeans, north Africans, etc.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 17:28:38 ago (+1/-0)

Any genetic analysis of Ashkhenazis or any other jewish population will show high diversity of Y chromosomes (Y haplogroups) . This blog show several charts of jewish Y chomosome haplogroup percentages. (Sorry catbox is down)
https://jewishgenes.blogspot.com/2018/11/paternal-and-maternal-origins-of.html

These haplogroups common to jewish males diverged from each other tens of thousands of years ago. Even closely related groups J1 and J2 diverged 20 thousand years ago. Haplogroup E diverged 80 thousand years ago. By diverge, I mean “most recent common paternal ancestor” . So all jews are patrilineally extremely diverse. No way they could come from a common male ancestor from 2000 BC or so.

This is the study: The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses by
Eran Elhaik https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/5/1/61/728117

Elhaik is a jew who supports the Khazarian hypothesis, check out his wikipedia page. I cannot find the 97.5% number in the study.

I think the meme ultimately stems from this article : https://veteranstoday.com/2022/01/31/new-genome-research-reveals-the-true-ancient-israelites/

Here is another study which compares ashkhenazi jews and other middle eastern populations to bronze age canannite individuals (aka Meggido MLBA) Palestinians, Saudis and certain bedouin tribes share the most Dna with this individual . AK jews are no more related to “ancient israelites” than Tuscans according to this

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674%2820%2930487-6#%20

[ - ] RobertJHarsh 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 14:49:39 ago (+2/-1)

I have always believed actual jews are extinct and what we have now are the Khazarians pretending to be jews.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 17:45:15 ago (+2/-2)

The description of jews as a patrilineally related group in the bible is inaccurate, to say the least. The authors were speculating on their origin and presumably trying to unify many distinct tribes. We can’t go by the OT to give us an accurate account of those people’s origins. But the Palestinians are highly related to the people of Jesus’ era, maybe 80% or more.

Ashkhenazis are not Khazarians but a mix of many different people from the middle east, the caucasus and europe.

I believe the Khazarian theory stems from the the existence of a jewish book ( known to many rabbis) called The Khazari which tells a story of how a wondering rabbi converts the king of the Khazars with a long winded lecture on jewish philosophy. This is the basis of the belief that there was a widespread mass conversion of Khazars to judaism. We are going on jewish say-so and no real evidence. I think there were jews in the area who mixed with locals and such caucasus jews may have contributed to AJ ancestry. But modern jews are no where near 100% Khazar/Caucasus.

[ - ] Imsickofmakingusernames 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 00:19:10 ago (+0/-0)

The Judean’s are the Palestinians the Kazarians are actively exterminating.

[ - ] TheNoticing 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 14:15:28 ago (+1/-0)

Oy vey!

[ - ] 3Whuurs 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 01:17:46 ago (+0/-0)

Once you code or say you are a jew, you’re a jew.
It’s a race AND a racialized religion.

There’s literally no reason to care if they’re actually genetically jew or not.
Quit purity spiralling for their benefit.

[ - ] Merlynn 0 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 20:17:35 ago (+0/-0)

Well,there's a genetic marker on them somehow since you need a genetic test to get your membership in jew land. And let's face it,they still killed Jesus,so it's not like their hands would be clean even if they were genetically hebrew.

[ - ] Imsickofmakingusernames -1 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 00:15:47 ago (+0/-1)

The Ashkenazi are actually Kazarians. Or I like to call, the synagog of Satan.

[ - ] NuckFiggers -1 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 20:00:21 ago (+0/-1)*

jews were a primitive tribe the Romans encountered and conquered. A tax was placed on the tribe to pay for all the improvements Romans had given to their primitive society.

Of course, being jews, they said fuck that and rebel against the Romans for hundreds of years.

Finally Hadrian gets sick of generation after generation fighting jews so he orders his army to go into their tribes and kill every fucking jew

Up until WWII and the made up hollowcost this is what the jews used to garner sympathy they didn't earn. Romans laid waste to judea, destroyed their temple and generally slaughtered them. Every jew was extinguished.

FF a generation or so and a group of nomadic semites from Eastern Europe arrive at the abandoned villages of the jews and move in. The nomads learn about the jewish people, their beliefs and lifetyle and believe they could get a step ahead if they called themselves jews and did as their satanic books told them.

Every jew today is descended from those peoples. They aren't actual jews but nomads that took the name (and evil beliefs) of ancient jews

and jews still whine about the Romans kicking the shit out of them to this day

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 20:58:40 ago (+1/-0)

Every jew was extinguished.

No. Not true. There was a distinction between commoners who were jewish adherents and elite politically active jews and jewish scholars. The religion was more like a political party. Romans didn’t kill everyone that went to temple.

FF a generation or so and a group of nomadic semites from Eastern Europe arrive at the abandoned villages of the jews and move in.

What are semites doing in eastern europe? Why would they then go to palestine?

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 3 monthsMar 16, 2025 16:29:26 ago (+0/-0)

lol wtf.
We know indefatigably jewish diaspora meant semites moved to Rome directly after their temple was destroyed, many as Christian converts.

Do you guys legitimately believe in Khazaria and grand Tartaria?

That’s mongoloid AF