We have to rebuild our industrial base from scratch. Again. We can do it using the same machines we did it with last time. They did the job once already.
I have a pair of boots from a company in Lewiston, Maine that I still wear daily. They're more than 40 years old. They're pretty worn out, but they fit like soft slippers now.
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 15:58:11 ago (+1/-0)
Newer stuff is fantastic. It's really just the parts quality and greed of manufacturers monopolizing repairs and making them expensive that gives them a bad rap. Right to repair laws and higher quality domestic parts would make them superior in every way, literally.
So many conventional mills & lathes have been melted for scrap since cnc made its way into the machining world, it's awful really.
The real issue though is having to rebuild bigger machinery from factories that has been disassembled & sold to 3rd world shit holes. That takes time, lots of time...
The companies that made all those cool things that never broke, moved on to selling things that cost 1000x more that because your dollar is worthless compared to what it was then.
I once told a company I'd work for free just so I could have access to their turn-of-the-century woodworking tools... They had a bandsaw with a 36" drum patented in 1898 mounted with an 8 foot work table... You could put a 1/8th" blade on that bad boy and cut a 1/4" dowel out of a 24" tall block of wood.... Try that shit with a dinky DeWalt or Delta and see what you get.
Here's the competition. They might not last a lifetime and aren't quite as fancy, but it's $5.53 versus $135.00 for the cheapest Macks Belt. At that point, you're basically supporting someone's Historic Machines hobby.
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 15:45:13 ago (+1/-0)*
You have to be an expert at tuning, adjusting, and rebuilding with those old machines. The newer computer driven stuff, any retard can operate. The old stuff was designed for a higher level of training, both in operations and safety.
That being said, newer electronic controls are not a bad thing if they're executed with common sense and designed to be durable with good materials. Sadly this is not the case, as it's all Chinese horse shit components.
People who brag about old school machines have probably never had much experience with them. You've got to truly be an expert to work with the old iron and honestly most people can't handle that level of responsibility and training.
[ - ] Peleg 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 19:28:20 ago (+1/-0)
Well, What about That. I'm an Expert!
The company I work for has machines that are as old as dirt. I'm very good at keeping them running. We have one machine that we called the company that made it to come and do a rebuild. Some dei retard hit it with a forklift! The tech who came to do the job said that he had only ever seen one like ours and it was back at their corporate office in the museum section! LOL!
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 19:08:00 ago (+1/-0)
It's called self-enrichment vis short term profit at the expense of the company's (and country) long term health. Jack Welch of GE started this trend of aggressive cost cutting by outsourcing and laying off talent. It enriched him and the shareholders so everyone copied it. Now GE is a shell of its former self. The same thing is happening to Boeing.
Is there a profitable market for them? If there were, someone would be making and selling them. International trade would probably have to die before making simple products becomes more than a niche/elite hobby project in the US. These belts, for example, are 27-40 times more expensive than 'comparable/equally functional' belts made in China.
[ + ] Puller_of_Noses
[ - ] Puller_of_Noses 9 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 09:50:06 ago (+9/-0)
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 6 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 10:48:28 ago (+6/-0)
A lot better.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 15:58:11 ago (+1/-0)
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[ + ] Rotteuxx
[ - ] Rotteuxx 3 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 15:30:55 ago (+3/-0)
The real issue though is having to rebuild bigger machinery from factories that has been disassembled & sold to 3rd world shit holes. That takes time, lots of time...
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[ - ] Drstrangestgov [op] 2 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 16:39:01 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] lolxd 3 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 13:23:16 ago (+3/-0)
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[ - ] Love240 2 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 14:48:34 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] Drstrangestgov [op] 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 16:40:25 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] inaminit 3 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 10:44:44 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Drstrangestgov
[ - ] Drstrangestgov [op] 2 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 10:57:12 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 2 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 14:09:25 ago (+2/-0)
Belts haven't been much of a thing in my life, but I might pay up to $12. The problem with "American Made" is that now it means ludicrously expensive.
https://www.temu.com/mens-full-grain-leather-casual--jeans-belts-handmade-men-leather-belt-with-gift-box-g-601099702498153.html?
$5.53
Here's the competition. They might not last a lifetime and aren't quite as fancy, but it's $5.53 versus $135.00 for the cheapest Macks Belt. At that point, you're basically supporting someone's Historic Machines hobby.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 15:52:15 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 18:54:36 ago (+1/-0)
I'm changing my mind about belts.
[ + ] dalai_llama
[ - ] dalai_llama 2 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 12:30:30 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 15:45:13 ago (+1/-0)*
That being said, newer electronic controls are not a bad thing if they're executed with common sense and designed to be durable with good materials. Sadly this is not the case, as it's all Chinese horse shit components.
People who brag about old school machines have probably never had much experience with them. You've got to truly be an expert to work with the old iron and honestly most people can't handle that level of responsibility and training.
[ + ] Peleg
[ - ] Peleg 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 19:28:20 ago (+1/-0)
The company I work for has machines that are as old as dirt. I'm very good at keeping them running. We have one machine that we called the company that made it to come and do a rebuild. Some dei retard hit it with a forklift! The tech who came to do the job said that he had only ever seen one like ours and it was back at their corporate office in the museum section! LOL!
I can make that baby sing!
[ + ] Drstrangestgov
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[ + ] CoronaHoax
[ - ] CoronaHoax 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 14:47:30 ago (+1/-0)
Becoming a doctor is a thing, programmer, engineer, astronaut etc. But not creating the machines behind automated factories?
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[ + ] registereduser
[ - ] registereduser 1 point 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 10:09:31 ago (+1/-0)
Screws are garbage.
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[ + ] puremadness
[ - ] puremadness 0 points 3 monthsMar 12, 2025 10:07:33 ago (+0/-0)
the next war isnt on foot