I was at church today and my pastor just had to go on about how Israeli is our greatest ally, his little kike and America pin, promises to Israel. If they’re talking like this get ready for some kind of kike induced ear to go save pissrael. Every last got must die for the yids. Makes me want to vomit.
Christ cucks love Israel and would sacrifice every single one of us for the kike. I'm not a rabid Christi basher like masterfoo but the facts remain - the vast majority of Christians would throw every young white man in the trash in a war for Israel.
Dude. the bible was created by the council of nicea, back when christcuckery was nearly 100% jew.
It's a jew religion, for the benefit of jews.
If it weren't for christcuckery the moors would never have been able to invade Europe.
Same as today. If it weren't for all the christcucks feeding africa, and bringing third worlders here, it would never have been normalized, and we would still have White countries.
Versus the "atheists" which suck jew dick on the regular. Or the "pagans" which also suck jew dick on the regular.
The biggest difference being that, at least, the Christian Bible, which warns Christians against the Talmudic jew, will always be there to reaffirm the true path to salvation, whereas the atheists and pagans have jack fuckin' shit to set them straight as they decend into filthy jew fuck degeneracy.
And, take note, as white countries reject Christianity, every single one of them, with zero fucking exceptions, sees increased crime, moral degeneracy, and anti-white mandates to enslave the white man to Israel.
You probably shouldn’t use the term christcuck if you want right wing christians and atheists to unite. Youre saying their lord and savior is doing the equivalent of fucking their wives. Youre immasculating them. Of course theyre gonna be insulted. You weren’t nuanced at all.
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:32:11 ago (+1/-0)
No shit, but the situation is dire enough that strong language needs to be used. We're talking about a religion that's been hijacked by zionist extremists.
The situation is dire enough that you have to insist that their god sexually humiliates them? No you don’t. You either want to unify with right wing christians on this site or you don’t. If you want to, you won’t use this term.
Some christians are pro-zionist. Many atheists are pro-kike as well. People who claim that atheists kike fellating commies dont want to ally with me. Theres clearly plenty of christians on this site that hate jews and israel. So why do you need to use “dire language” (trash talk) with them? It serves no purpose.
I disagree with Christianity but I don’t feel the need to use sexually degrading terms to demoralize them. None of the Christians here support israel at all!
look at the ultimate role model, jesus; father is a cuck, no job, homeless, begs for money, no wife, no children, get's betrayed by fag buddies, and publicly executed.
Still didn't answer the question. Wutsamadda rabbi? Ashamed of what you are? I would be, too.
Why are you dodging the point? You said that I was suggesting it was either "Christian or atheist" when I was suggesting it was "Christian, atheists, jew or pagan" and asked that if you fell outside the groups, which are you? Seems obvious that you are a part of one of the groups, right?
isn't it nice that christians are conversing with you? normally we wouldnt even bother. but we talk about things here. you like to throw around shit but everyone contributes their best to the conversation and thats why i love it here. you're doing great, champ.
You never hear about Israel in Mass. When you hear about the place in liberal Protestant services they are pro-Gaza. Not everyone is a bible belt style fundie. Not even all the conservative Protestants are rabidly pro-Israel but pretty much all fundie Baptists are for example. Doesn't help that the Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Protestant denomination in the US.
CZ Pastors falsely teach that Israel is a location. Israel is a people - and that people is us, the White American and European.
JEWS AIN’T ISRAEL [Excerpt below]
"Nowhere in the scriptures does it ever say that anyone other than the JEWS are the children of the DEVIL, and yet Christianism continually tells the whole world that “The Jews are God’s chosen people, they are God’s people Israel, and everyone else is a child of the devil.” Can you HEAR Jesus? Listen as He tells the Jews “Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:31-33) The Greek word translated “generation” is “gennema” and comes from the root “genea” from which we get our English words “gene”, “genetics”, “genome”, and the biblical word “genealogy”. Who would not readily recognize this as a RACIAL word? Jesus goes onto to say to the Jews “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.” (Matthew 23:35-36) This RACE is identified as having its origin all the way back to Cain, and yes Cain “was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.” (1 John 3:12). The “old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan”, Revelation 12:9, was the father of Cain, Genesis 3:15. The Jews are the “SEED” of the Serpent, the children of “the DEVIL” according to the scriptures and are clearly identified as such by Jesus Christ. “Hear ye Him.”
[Much more of great importance is at this link and at this site below]:
You could try not worshiping jews. There are multiple whole religions focused on reclaiming white spirituality for white people without worshiping kikes or thinking we're equal to niggers.
[ - ] _Obrez 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:07:50 ago (+1/-0)
If he ever asks you what you think tell him israel has been in open rebellion against God for 2000 years, they do not require our support, God does not require we support a rebellious israel, nor is it the Christian thing to do.
i seem to remember alex jones talking about clergy response teams a long time ago. i can't help but remember it every time i go into a church and see this kind of stuff. one pastor at a church i visited did a sermon about the seahawks and had the congregation snap a selfie. crazy stuff. dude was wearing a seahawks jersey preaching.
Of the many things I’ve been red pilled on in the last five years, church was one of them. Church is a money grab. It’s not about what they say it is. Church is a 501C3 organization that can’t say certain things because the government says so. The preacher can’t say what he should because he will piss off the women who will nag and force their men to leave and then the church loses money.
White Nationalist Paganism doesn't make that claim. The White Gods are preparing for Ragnarok. They don't have time to listen to you complain about the bunion on your foot. You are White, you can cure yourself.
Yeah, the religion your ancestors worshiped before they encountered jews is snake oil, but the one whose holy book starts with the jewish torah, continues through the jewish histories about david the foreskin thief and esther the nation subverter, climaxes with a circumcized judean judahite rabbi who celebrated hannukah and passover, and wraps up with saul the shapeshifter who changed his name to make Romans trust him as he spread jew worship - that religion is totally legit and not snake oil, right?
But all the other belief systems created by jews like communism and islam and satanism and ayn rand are all bullshit, except your specific belief system created by jews that teaches you to worship from a holy book that says jews deserve to rule nations through debt slavery. That one's legit, and the one created by your own ancestors is bullshit.
Okay bud, keep telling yourself you've got it all figured out while you fall for the oldest trick in the jew book.
[ - ] Reunto 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:58:33 ago (+1/-0)
The origin of the term "Lutheran" was a pejorative from the Catholic Church. It was a common practice to call a body of heretics by the name of a prominent member of that group (e.g. Arianism). The group in this case basically just turned around and said "screw you, we're going to embrace that name"
Martin Luther would not be happy with the overall state of modern Lutheranism.
He also fell for a lot of jewish lies and did their bidding for much of his life. Good that he figured them out by the end, but he regretted some of the things they talked him into doing.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 10 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:00:04 ago (+14/-4)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 9 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:23:00 ago (+9/-0)
Are not Christians.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 4 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:17:57 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] Reunto
[ - ] Reunto 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:02:19 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] KeepPoal4fags
[ - ] KeepPoal4fags 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 20:02:14 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:09:49 ago (+1/-1)
oy to the fucking vey, goyim.
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:37:22 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:20:57 ago (+4/-3)
It's a jew religion, for the benefit of jews.
If it weren't for christcuckery the moors would never have been able to invade Europe.
Same as today. If it weren't for all the christcucks feeding africa, and bringing third worlders here, it would never have been normalized, and we would still have White countries.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 5 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:21:38 ago (+7/-2)
The biggest difference being that, at least, the Christian Bible, which warns Christians against the Talmudic jew, will always be there to reaffirm the true path to salvation, whereas the atheists and pagans have jack fuckin' shit to set them straight as they decend into filthy jew fuck degeneracy.
And, take note, as white countries reject Christianity, every single one of them, with zero fucking exceptions, sees increased crime, moral degeneracy, and anti-white mandates to enslave the white man to Israel.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 6 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:19:02 ago (+6/-0)
It's time we identify as a race, instead of dividing by religion.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 18:43:07 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:32:11 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:43:13 ago (+1/-0)
Some christians are pro-zionist. Many atheists are pro-kike as well. People who claim that atheists kike fellating commies dont want to ally with me. Theres clearly plenty of christians on this site that hate jews and israel. So why do you need to use “dire language” (trash talk) with them? It serves no purpose.
I disagree with Christianity but I don’t feel the need to use sexually degrading terms to demoralize them. None of the Christians here support israel at all!
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 17:12:02 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 21:21:58 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 23:10:31 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:12:49 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 09:28:03 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:00:35 ago (+1/-1)
look at the ultimate role model, jesus; father is a cuck, no job, homeless, begs for money, no wife, no children, get's betrayed by fag buddies, and publicly executed.
Wow, what a powerful, masculine god you worship!
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:03:38 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 -2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:19:09 ago (+2/-4)
christcuck wannabe jew faggot, or aetheist.
Typical christcuck binary thinking.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 4 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:31:32 ago (+4/-0)*
But do tell, do you have a philosophy or religion that doesn't fit into one of these? Muslim? Betting you won't answer.
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:02:18 ago (+1/-1)
I'm not a moslem, you fucking retard.
Escape the hebrew matrix, and your hanged man fag god.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:04:06 ago (+0/-0)
I didn't quote myself, ya fuckin' retard. Nor, did I call you a Muslim.
You're an utterly stupid fuckin' idiot.
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:07:29 ago (+1/-1)
I said, "atheists, pagans, jews, and Christians" but you read "one or the other". It's like you're a fucking idiot or something.
But do tell, do you have a philosophy or religion that doesn't fit into one of these? Muslim? Betting you won't answer.
Yes, you did. Why are you now lying about your jew behaviour that we can all read for ourselves?
What can we expect from people who worship a cuck faggot jew, eh?
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:09:47 ago (+0/-0)
Why are you dodging the point? You said that I was suggesting it was either "Christian or atheist" when I was suggesting it was "Christian, atheists, jew or pagan" and asked that if you fell outside the groups, which are you? Seems obvious that you are a part of one of the groups, right?
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:10:56 ago (+1/-1)
typical christcuck jew wannabe behaviour on display 24/7 from this fag.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:13:23 ago (+0/-0)
You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Have you ever even heard of the Talmud?
[ + ] NoRefunds
[ - ] NoRefunds 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:21:44 ago (+4/-1)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 5 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:19:54 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] Rawrination
[ - ] Rawrination 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 23:14:24 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] NoRefunds
[ - ] NoRefunds -1 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 22:02:17 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] drstrangergov
[ - ] drstrangergov 2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:47:11 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo -2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:03:48 ago (+2/-4)
I want Christians to throw themselves in the oven for Jesus.
[ + ] drstrangergov
[ - ] drstrangergov 2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:43:59 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 09:30:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 17:08:19 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheNoticing
[ - ] TheNoticing 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:15:05 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 23:15:10 ago (+1/-1)*
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/05/be/6e/05be6edbe8ad3bef05ab2b97f1ea6c9c.jpg
[ + ] Flanders
[ - ] Flanders -1 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 17:30:12 ago (+0/-1)
JEWS AIN’T ISRAEL [Excerpt below]
"Nowhere in the scriptures does it ever say that anyone other than the JEWS are the children of the DEVIL, and yet Christianism continually tells the whole world that “The Jews are God’s chosen people, they are God’s people Israel, and everyone else is a child of the devil.” Can you HEAR Jesus? Listen as He tells the Jews “Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:31-33) The Greek word translated “generation” is “gennema” and comes from the root “genea” from which we get our English words “gene”, “genetics”, “genome”, and the biblical word “genealogy”. Who would not readily recognize this as a RACIAL word? Jesus goes onto to say to the Jews “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.” (Matthew 23:35-36) This RACE is identified as having its origin all the way back to Cain, and yes Cain “was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.” (1 John 3:12). The “old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan”, Revelation 12:9, was the father of Cain, Genesis 3:15. The Jews are the “SEED” of the Serpent, the children of “the DEVIL” according to the scriptures and are clearly
identified as such by Jesus Christ. “Hear ye Him.”
[Much more of great importance is at this link and at this site below]:
https://www.truthfromgod.com/transcript_pdf/Jews%20Aint%20Israel.pdf [2 pages]
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 7 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:16:42 ago (+7/-0)
Confront the pastor in your way out so that other like minded people will follow you out the door.
[ + ] BeholdTheLight
[ - ] BeholdTheLight [op] 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:25:57 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] _Obrez
[ - ] _Obrez 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:10:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] BeholdTheLight
[ - ] BeholdTheLight [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:29:03 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 14:33:44 ago (+1/-0)
I'm sure if you put the feelers out, you could get someone in your area to host a Bible study that you can tolerate.
[ + ] BeholdTheLight
[ - ] BeholdTheLight [op] -1 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:26:58 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:05:26 ago (+2/-3)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:27:09 ago (+3/-0)
This has been in the works even longer than the Protocols.
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:43:14 ago (+5/-2)
Fag.
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:48:56 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:04:39 ago (+4/-1)
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:31:02 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:34:36 ago (+2/-0)
What is it exactly about the concepts of White Blood and White Soil that you object against?
Difficulty Level: Answer the question directly without pivoting to something that isn't the question.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 18:52:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Reunto
[ - ] Reunto 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:05:45 ago (+0/-0)
Without talking about Biblical Israel? Hard.
[ + ] hylo
[ - ] hylo 3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:16:32 ago (+5/-2)
That's where you fucked up.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 18:38:42 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GreatSatan
[ - ] GreatSatan 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 18:17:06 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 09:33:16 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] GreatSatan
[ - ] GreatSatan 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 18:24:33 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 11, 2025 21:19:33 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:50:24 ago (+1/-0)
runestone.org
cosmotheistchurch.org
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:48:37 ago (+0/-0)
Totally unnecessary. Your username implies you support evolution but maybe not.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 22:16:45 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Reunto
[ - ] Reunto 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:13:36 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] _Obrez
[ - ] _Obrez 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:07:50 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] drstrangergov
[ - ] drstrangergov 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:44:20 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MasklessTheGreat
[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 0 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 12:27:58 ago (+1/-1)
I will never attend a church again.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:02:15 ago (+3/-4)
We don't have to lie to ourselves and bend over backwards to convince ourselves that Jews are relevant to us.
There are no Jews in our White Holy Epic.
0 Jews.
We think Jesus was just another worthless Jew, and it's OK to crucify Jews.
You'll like it better over here.
[ + ] Reunto
[ - ] Reunto 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:12:10 ago (+1/-0)
₪5.99 Jörmungandr grade snake oil, get it while supplies last!
Totally authentic!
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:18:48 ago (+3/-1)
We have no snake oil to sell, because whites aren't sick.
Meanwhile, you have a Jew-God that claims to have the cure to the illness he infected you with, "sin".
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 09:35:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 16:24:55 ago (+1/-1)*
The White Gods are preparing for Ragnarok.
They don't have time to listen to you complain about the bunion on your foot.
You are White, you can cure yourself.
[ + ] BushChuck5002
[ - ] BushChuck5002 0 points 3 monthsMar 10, 2025 08:21:08 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 2 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:59:09 ago (+2/-0)
But all the other belief systems created by jews like communism and islam and satanism and ayn rand are all bullshit, except your specific belief system created by jews that teaches you to worship from a holy book that says jews deserve to rule nations through debt slavery. That one's legit, and the one created by your own ancestors is bullshit.
Okay bud, keep telling yourself you've got it all figured out while you fall for the oldest trick in the jew book.
[ + ] Scyber
[ - ] Scyber -3 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:28:12 ago (+0/-3)*
Martin Luther wrote the book "On jews and Their Lies" back in 1543.
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 5 points 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 13:42:10 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] Reunto
[ - ] Reunto 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:03:14 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Scyber
[ - ] Scyber 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:37:28 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Reunto
[ - ] Reunto 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 19:58:33 ago (+1/-0)
Martin Luther would not be happy with the overall state of modern Lutheranism.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 15:56:17 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GreatSatan
[ - ] GreatSatan 1 point 3 monthsMar 9, 2025 18:31:18 ago (+1/-0)