This minerals deal was a backdoor scheme to pull Ukraine under the US's security umbrella almost immediately. To get around the fact that Ukraine has ZERO legal path to NATO membership before 2040, at the earliest?
NATO has rules. Its an organization with a charter, bylaws, etc. UKRAINE CANNOT JOIN. Not until it is no longer in a military conflict, and all of its border disputes are settled with treaties. And then a ten year waiting period.
NATO countries are NOT ALLOWED to have troops in Ukraine, simply by virtue of being members of NATO, while Ukraine is in a military conflict with disputed borders.
Ergo, there is ZERO possibility of any troops from NATO countries being stationed there before 2040, IF EVER.
So how could the US find a way around all of these limitations that we can actually protect Ukraine from future Russian invasion?
Diplomatic-legal chicanery: have US-domiciled companies running businesses that are considered vital to the national security interests of the US operating inside Ukrainian borders.
That way, if Russia considers future invasions, the USA can pre-empt the Russkies and say "our national security interests are at stake, so we would consider any such action on Russia's part an act of war against the US".
So this deal would have given Ukraine an IMPLICIT security guarantee from the USA itself. Not even weak-willed NATO, but the USA. And from day 1; not 10 years after all military conflicts are ended and all border conflicts have come to a legal conclusion.
Because Ukraine CANNOT have an EXPLICIT security guarantee.
Yet Trump figured out a way around all of this. Found a way to get Ukraine under its security umbrella. Almost immediately, in fact, if Ukraine wanted it: - declare a ceasefire; - get the US mineral deal signed; - make a peace with Russia; and - US companies with national security goals go in
Some of the dumbest pontificating I’ve heard in a long time. Not only is it completely retarded to even think that the US would try and do all that for Ukraine, without letting them know in someway, before having some big stupid blowout on live television. There isn’t a single rule about entering NATO that dummy just listed, that NATO hasn’t already broken. Literally nothing in that post represents reality Russia has probably killed a few thousand NATO troops inside Ukraine in the last two years They just call them something else, like advisors, or whatever the fuck. They killed a massive group of Swedish aviation instructors last year inside Ukraine. Every couple weeks, there’s a (not so well publicized) report of some European troops getting vaporized for being inside Ukraine for some reason.
Exactly. It's just like the Vietnam War. We weren't at war with just Vietnam, but also China and the USSR. Lots of chinks fighting in combat. Lots of Russians flying fighter missions and directing artillery.
Following up on this very truthful post, I heard rumors recently, some more credible than I want to investigate, that there was a contingent of American soldiers that got gunned down in Ukraine by Russians. It could be a coverup, or maybe some kind of pre-theater tactic by Zelensky to claim that America was helping him and that Russia was showing evidence that they would not abide by the agreements that they were trying to create earlier.
Either way, the Ukrainian war will probably continue for a few more months, maybe a year or less, max, because without US aid, Europe is going to resort to Zelensky-style conscription methods just to have the numbers they need to send out to stand a chance. And there's NO chance; Putin will vaporize any opposition in Ukraine, like he's done already. Also, want to bet on the skin color that this so-called "random" conscription group is going to be? All this would end up going nowhere but creating a larger graveyard.
The greatest outcome for Zelensky after that would be that Zelensky is captured alive and then killed on video by Russia. And everyone in the world should laugh.
Russia and the Ukie governments are working in concert to genocide the White population of the region to clear space for jews to flee to if things get too bomby in the middle east. Jewlensky knows exactly what he's doing. DrumpfTrumpOrangeHitlerMan was to be remembered as a peacemaker, and the jews can't let that happen.
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LOL who's the blowhard that came out with this cockamamie fantasy? You think Nuland, Blinken, Rice, Vindman would have met with Zelenskyy before his visit to the WH and coached him to stall any agreements with the Trump admin, if a rare earths / minerals deal was a path to US protection? Our government (under Trump 1.0) was building out Raytheon manufacturing for Patriot batteries in Poland to prep for this in 2018. The fact of the matter is that the writing is on the wall. Ukraine was bungled, the corruption too great, the ineptitude of our intelligence apparatus too disastrous (paying Ben Stiller and Sean Penn for photo ops? jeeeeeesh..), the grift was too large. A poorly executed gamble that has doomed the western ruling financial oligarchy. They lost but are in denial and willing to risk global annihilation instead of facing reality
Comments on here are as stupid as always. Yeah, that is basically what Trump was offering. I'm fairly certain Zelensky called Trump's bluff though: America wouldn't actually risk defending those mining sites if it came down to it, and Putin isn't so dumb to fall for it either and never attack. Iran already attacks America's shit in Iraq. So Trump had a hissy fit.
Sure but for him its not about the country, its about grifting money hard and fast, way easier to do in a war.
Years ago he said it already, the if he ever was to be president, he would take the money and fuck off, the debts will be for future generations to pay.
Seems like a cope. Trump got impeached because Zelensky wouldn't help him. Despite Trump arming Ukraine when Obama refused. Zelensky betrayed Trump. Hopefully, Zelensky will wake up with a bullet hole in his dead in the next 2 weeks.
Does the US even need to produce an extra excuse to go to war with Russia? Alternatively how can Ukraine count that this is good enough of a motivation for the US to declare an all-out war with Russia? I feel like there's an alternative explanation to whatever shenanigan Trump is pulling under the hood, likely with Russia's acknowledgment.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 1 monthMar 1, 2025 21:50:15 ago (+1/-0)
The US can't beat Russia and China in a war, and China would gladly stop trade with the US and void it's $2T debt if we tried to fight Russia. We couldn't beat Russia on the Russian border if we used US troops and actually tried.
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[ - ] 3Whuurs 8 points 1 monthMar 1, 2025 21:59:18 ago (+9/-1)
Not only is it completely retarded to even think that the US would try and do all that for Ukraine, without letting them know in someway, before having some big stupid blowout on live television.
There isn’t a single rule about entering NATO that dummy just listed, that NATO hasn’t already broken.
Literally nothing in that post represents reality
Russia has probably killed a few thousand NATO troops inside Ukraine in the last two years
They just call them something else, like advisors, or whatever the fuck.
They killed a massive group of Swedish aviation instructors last year inside Ukraine.
Every couple weeks, there’s a (not so well publicized) report of some European troops getting vaporized for being inside Ukraine for some reason.
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Either way, the Ukrainian war will probably continue for a few more months, maybe a year or less, max, because without US aid, Europe is going to resort to Zelensky-style conscription methods just to have the numbers they need to send out to stand a chance. And there's NO chance; Putin will vaporize any opposition in Ukraine, like he's done already. Also, want to bet on the skin color that this so-called "random" conscription group is going to be? All this would end up going nowhere but creating a larger graveyard.
The greatest outcome for Zelensky after that would be that Zelensky is captured alive and then killed on video by Russia. And everyone in the world should laugh.
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A: look in a mirror dick face
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Saying all that bullshit without one mention of israel shows he is lying by omission
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Years ago he said it already, the if he ever was to be president, he would take the money and fuck off, the debts will be for future generations to pay.
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[ - ] mikenigger 0 points 1 monthMar 2, 2025 05:39:52 ago (+0/-0)
if you don't spell out a security guarantee in the deal then it's yet another budapest memorandum/minsk agreement, kill yourself OP
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