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Faith Without Works Is Dead

submitted by AugustineOfHippo2 to RomanCatholicism 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 09:42:50 ago (+11/-3)     (RomanCatholicism)

since the hateful coward @Love240 banned me from the Christian sub...


James 2:14-26
New King James Version
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


48 comments block


[ - ] GeorgeBailey 3 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:51:04 ago (+3/-0)

Jesus is my king. I am saved. Therefore I live a life to bring glory to God.

Everyday I sin and fall short and every day I'm forgiven.

We don't do good works to get into heaven we do good works because we are inspired to bring glory to God in thanksgiving for our salvation.

[ - ] Clubberlang 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:46:01 ago (+1/-0)

Man isn't inherently good.

[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:54:58 ago (+0/-0)

Amen.

[ - ] Reawakened 3 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 09:54:20 ago (+3/-0)

It's a subtle point. Are works the result of faith, therefore subsidiary or are works necessary to confirm faith and therefore part of the package? Do you have to make sure you do works, or are works a natural outgrowth of faith? I believe that works are the natural outgrowth of faith. What works did the thief on the cross do?

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 10:29:50 ago (+1/-1)

The good thief had repentance in his heart, and did verbally defend Jesus against the other thief.

[ - ] jfroybees 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 17:01:06 ago (+0/-0)

This exactly. These passages being weaponized leads to "civilizational juicidal empathy." It is one example of the Word being used against us.

[ - ] Master_Foo -4 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 10:04:45 ago (+0/-4)

It's possible to do good works without involving a Jewish-God.
But, the Jewish-God will never tell you this because he is a Jealous-God.

Try White Nationalist Paganism instead.
The White-Gods aren't Jealous Gods.
The Free Volk are not burdened by sin, so we can focus on Good works alone and save ourselves.

Heil Odin! o/

[ - ] Reunto 2 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 10:47:51 ago (+2/-0)

It's possible to do good works without involving a Jewish-God.

I'll meet you half-way on this one. It is possible to do good works without being conscious of who God is.

Biblically this follows from the premise that some Greeks worshipped God without knowing who He is (c.f. Acts 17, altar of the "Unknown God")

[ - ] Master_Foo -4 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:00:25 ago (+0/-4)

Greeks aren't burdened by sin.
So, Jesus is absolutely irrelevant regarding Greeks.
Greeks don't need salvation.

You are probably thinking about "Hellenized Jews" (AKA the Ashkenazi/Sephardic version of Jews in Greece), who are burdened by sin by virtue of being Jews.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:00:52 ago (+2/-1)

It's possible to do good works without involving a Jewish-God.

yes, but you are only saved from hell through faith AND good works.

[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:52:29 ago (+0/-0)

This is completely against the Gospel of Christ.

Read Romans 4 and tell me how Paul intended the reader to come away believing the heresy you have professed.

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 21:01:46 ago (+0/-0)

That's a trap. How many good works do I need to do? Is there a minimum amount necessary? Do I have to do some everyday? What happens if I miss an opportunity to do a good work? How do they work with faith to ensure salvation? What's the metric? Is one enough?

My real objection is that it suggests Jesus needs our help to bring us to salvation. His sacrifice is just not quite enough, almost, but not quite. He needs our works to get us over the line.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 21:13:52 ago (+0/-0)

Bible says faith without works is dead. Bible says you need both. Look at what Jesus says to the rich man, there was more to do, give up his wealth and follow Jesus. The rich man still had more to do, and could have gained salvation but walked away instead.
The amount of good works is what God calls you to do. That is individual to each person as we all have different callings. You need to work that out with God.

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 21:37:43 ago (+0/-0)

I have worked it out with God. Jesus is enough. I am unable to save myself or even participate in my salvation. All I can do is live for Him and produce the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, I often fall short.

However, I am not as militant as Love. If you believe in Christ and you want to believe that your working is making a difference, I don't think that will affect your salvation. I think the notion is incorrect. Nonetheless, I believe you are saved because put your faith in Christ Jesus.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 2, 2025 12:15:42 ago (+0/-0)

If you're cool with God, you're cool with me :)
I'm ok with any Christian who tries their best to be a good person. What bugs me is when people say they are "saved" and then continue to act like a criminal with no intent to change their behavior.

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 3 monthsMar 2, 2025 12:41:28 ago (+0/-0)

People lie sometimes.

[ - ] Master_Foo -2 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:05:00 ago (+0/-2)

Whites don't have sin.
Salvation is irrelevant to Whites, it only applies to Jews who do have sin.
Which is why Jesus preached exclusively to the Jews and not the Free Volk.

Jesus is irrelevant to Whites.
We have the capability to save ourselves.

[ - ] dassar 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 15:26:19 ago (+0/-0)

LOL, your White gods arnt jealous gods because they are made up and false.

"Even gay niggers and street shitters can have their own 'ethnic/ tribal ' gods.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -4 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:12:04 ago (+0/-4)

Are works the result of faith

Work implies energetic origin; faith implies holding for outcome. The result of faith implies ones regression within energy.

It's a subtle point.

Life implies a sentence towards point of death, hence within a working process.

are works necessary to confirm faith

Faith represents the temptation to ignore necessity of work. Work doesn't necessitate confirmation...it forces adaptation.

Do you have to make sure you do works

Ones heart adapts to work while ones mind works in devious ways when putting faith in assurances.

are works a natural outgrowth of faith

Energy (work) implies internal power of loss (inception towards death) generating growth (life)...it's faith which tempts one OUT of ones position within. Faith doesn't grow...it consumes those filling themselves with it aka the faithful, who gorge themselves on reconfirmation of faith by one another.

What works did the thief on the cross do?

To be anointed (christ) implies being (life) moved a-cross (inception towards death)...that's how employment of being works.



[ - ] dassar 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 15:28:50 ago (+1/-0)

Oh do fck off wth your garbage chatgpt.

[ - ] goatfugee12 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 17:24:58 ago (+1/-0)

thus is the problem with retards who believe fairy tales.

oh your belief is different, you're a fake christcuck but im a real christian.

you all worship a semetic faggot hippie passifist and quarell over who is more right and more wrong, you're all wrong and deep down you know its all bullshit, just too cowardly to admit it.

[ - ] Love240 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:53:46 ago (+1/-0)

Pagans who blaspheme the Gospel of Christ are not welcomed in that sub.

You were given fair warning and chose to ignore the calls to repent from catholic posting.

If you would like to repent from catholic posting, I would gladly un-ban you and give you another chance.

[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 16:01:23 ago (+1/-0)

@Love240 is the only true Christian.
All other Christians are fake Christians.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 17:35:52 ago (+0/-0)

The scripture quoted is in no way ambiguous. Sola Fides is umbilical. Repent heretic, and accept the One True God.

[ - ] Puller_of_Noses 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 12:26:49 ago (+1/-0)

Dubiety, if anything, is a gift from God, not faith.
Faith is blind. Dubiety evaluates what it sees and hears.
In the religious context, faith is a gift from you to the person that claims to represent God. Faith is belief in their belief without evidence or proof.
I'd have a lot more faith if those ancient scriptures were found in a clay pot while excavating a lost city, but they were found on a zip drive instead of a crumbling papyrus scroll.
Until then, I'll remain dubious, thank God.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 09:49:31 ago (+2/-1)

This seems common sense to me.

@Master_foo tries to argue this point as well.

If you actually believe that there is an all knowing, all powerful, God, and you believe is Christ as your savior, it would shine through in your works. You certainly don't have to be perfect, or sinless, but you clearly can't be a believer while simultaneously and intentionally harming others and doing evil.

You'll know them by their fruits.

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Matthew 7

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 10:34:47 ago (+0/-0)

Exactly, faith is a gift, but if you don't follow through by doing (or at least trying to do) the will of God then your faith is dead.

[ - ] Love240 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:58:39 ago (+1/-0)

Your life is a gift, salvation is a gift.

Every man has been given a measure of faith, and it is up to man whether he will heed his conscious or if he will sear it.

You pagans constantly attempt to muddy the waters and call 'faith' works or a gift rather than the Lord Jesus Christ, who was given for us that we may LIVE, for HE is our salvation and rest.

It's wicked and comes from an evil heart of unbelief.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 09:59:47 ago (+1/-1)*

I am also banned from /v/Christian.

Salvation is through belief in Christ alone.
Everything after that, including good works, is window dressing.

Instead of trying to square the Jewish Circle and make excuses for a morality originating from a Jewish-God for the sake if Jews, try White Nationalist Paganism instead.

The goal of White Nationalist Paganism is pretty straight forward, "Advance the agenda of White Blood and White Soil".
Our White Gods aren't (((Jealous Gods))).
You can concentrate on Good Works alone and never even slow yourself down with matters of faith.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 10:59:05 ago (+2/-1)

Everything after that, including good works, is window dressing.

so as long as I believe, I can murder and rape and pillage and steal and fornicate and whatever and I'm still saved because I believe. definitely not how it works.

and how cowardly is it to ban people? I didn't even know I was banned until I tried to reply to a post. If someone is such a snowflake they can't handle the discussion, then they shouldn't be a moderator.

[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:12:28 ago (+1/-0)

so as long as I believe, I can murder and rape and pillage and steal and fornicate and whatever and I'm still saved because I believe. definitely not how it works.
That is how if works.
You worship a Jealous-Jew-God.

You are conflating your White Compassion (the source of good works) and are trying to make it fit with the nature of a fundamentally corrupt Jewish-God.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:13:39 ago (+0/-0)

did your bloody dirt god tell you this?

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:19:07 ago (+0/-0)

The Free Volk don't need a God to tell us anything.
We are White. We are capable of figuring it out for ourselves.

BTW, what quality of information are you expecting go gain from a Jewish-God?
Surely you understand that everything a trickster-God tells you is suspect, right?

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:25:47 ago (+0/-0)

oh, so you made yourself a god. I guess that is why you think raping and killing and stealing are ok and that everything in the world should bow to you. that is not what the free volk believed. why don't you look up Frederick Barbarossa.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 11:50:20 ago (+0/-0)

I guess that is why you think raping and killing and stealing are ok
I never said that.
Guess what your Jewish-God thinks about raping?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV

You will never acknowledge this.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 12:37:29 ago (+0/-0)

So forcing a man to take responsibility for his actions is a bad thing?

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 12:43:10 ago (+0/-0)

White Nationalist Pagans wouldn't give a rapist the opportunity to "take responsibility" for his actions.
He would be tied to a wicker frame and drowned face down in the bog.

Why are Jews opposed to this?
Hint: It's because you know that you will be tied to a wicker frame and drowned face down in the bog.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:08:16 ago (+0/-0)

you are the one pretending to be a god and accepting the rape and pillage and murder. pretty ironic that you claim to be "virtuous" when you have no morals.

[ - ] Clubberlang 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:51:21 ago (+1/-0)

and how cowardly is it to ban people?

Yep this needs to change in our society. Unfortunately the men have been emasculated by 60 years of feminism and now act like women when confronted with differing opinions.

[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 14:01:41 ago (+0/-0)

The sub rules are clear.

No catholic posting.

Pagans don't just get to shit on the table and call it food.

[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 14:00:48 ago (+0/-0)

so as long as I believe, I can murder and rape and pillage and steal and fornicate and whatever and I'm still saved because I believe. definitely not how it works.

Really? Explain David.

Simple answer: You are wrong; If you steal or whatever sin, you are still saved; God will punish his own, else you are a bastard and no child of his.

You catholics are utter heretics; denying the power of God unto salvation.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 18:31:55 ago (+0/-0)

Really? Explain David.

I already explained David to you, and how his story completely disproves sola fides. David sinned, recognized he was separated from God due to his sin, and then repented with sack cloth and ashes and asked for God's forgiveness.

You protestants really should read the Bible more.

[ - ] Love240 1 point 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 20:32:46 ago (+1/-0)

and then repented with sack cloth and ashes and asked for God's forgiveness.

See, that's your problem, you think he 'lost' his salvation then he 'had to do something' to get it back.

He did not, because there is no power we have to remove ourselves from the Father's hand once he has us.

You protestants really should read the Bible more.

Once again, I am not a protestant; protestants protest the doctrine of the pagan RCC and want them to come back into fellowship.

This is not what Baptists do.

We believe God's Word alone.

This is impossible for you to understand because you have a vested interest in continuing your pagan syncretism.

I would tell you to 'read your Bible more', but it wouldn't matter because it is coupled with your unbelief.

Tell me Romans 4 doesn't preach 100% against your 'salvation is by faith + works' heresy.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 20:59:47 ago (+0/-0)

Tell me Romans 4 doesn't preach 100% against your 'salvation is by faith + works'

I already have. That is exactly what this post is.

Scripture cannot contradict itself. What you are saying contradicts the quote in this post, and therefore your interpretation cannot be true. You cannot reconcile sola fides with James, and so your interpretation is totally incorrect. And as I have said before, even Jesus has said you must DO the will of the father, so again your interpretation of Romans contradicts even Jesus Himself. Paul is not greater than Jesus. Read your Bible protestant heretic.

[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 monthsMar 2, 2025 01:10:36 ago (+0/-0)

I already have. That is exactly what this post is.
No, this post is James 2, which preaches about profiting your brethren in Christ, that if you say to someone “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, that it does not profit them.

Scripture cannot contradict itself
100% Scripture cannot contradict itself, which is why salvation is by faith through grace, it is not of works, lest any man should boast.

What you are saying contradicts the quote in this post, and therefore your interpretation cannot be true.

No, what you are saying is a heresy of the RCC and is not the Gospel of Christ.

You cannot reconcile sola fides with James, and so your interpretation is totally incorrect.
I just did.
This is not 'my' interpretation; the Holy Spirit bears witness to this as well as the Word.

And as I have said before, even Jesus has said you must DO the will of the father, so again your interpretation of Romans contradicts even Jesus Himself.
I've already explained to you what the will of the father is from scripture, but in the off chance it was another pagan I explained it to;

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:39-40
Gee.. I don't see the part about works and the RCC heresies... Oh that's right, because it's not there.
Salvation is by faith through grace in Jesus Christ alone.

Paul is not greater than Jesus. Read your Bible protestant heretic.
Paul is speaking in Jesus' authority, that of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ.
I must inform you pagans again, Bible believing Baptists aren't protestants, we're Christians.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason 0 points 3 monthsMar 2, 2025 06:05:01 ago (+0/-0)

Scripture cannot contradict itself.

Scripture; from scribere (to write) and skribh (to cut). A cut in-between writer and written permits the writer to contradict the written. Viewing scripture as the written in itself...ignores the writer, hence establishing a contradiction.

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 21:26:28 ago (+0/-0)

If you believe, you generally won't, but you may. We are sinful. We're going to sin. That's not an excuse, it's just the way it is.

[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 3 monthsMar 1, 2025 13:49:03 ago (+0/-0)

Sorry to hear that. The point of delivering the message no matter who it is or wether they believe or not should never end in silencing someone because of opposing views.

Unfortunately some are of the mind that if they disiple to their own that's enough. But that's not what the scripture teaches.