Only 16% of the global population is the greatest existential threat to the other 84% ? Mathematics was never my strongest suit but strength of numbers should prevail on the battlefield, unless that 16% has some sort of advantage... Gee, I wonder what such an advantage might be, if true.
They’re commanded to conquer the entire world and slaughter everyone that isn’t a Muslim. This is repeated throughout even the earliest extant manuscripts.
FREEDOM OF RELIGION: "There is no compulsion in religion" [2:256] "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [109:6] "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills—let him believe; and whoever wills—let him disbelieve." [18:29] "But if they turn away—We have not sent you as a guardian over them. Upon you is only the duty of conveyance..."[42:48] "And had your Lord willed, all those on earth would have believed entirely. Then, O Prophet, would you compel the people in order that they become believers?" [10:99]
COMMAND OF PEACE: "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors." [2:190] "And if they incline to peace, then incline to it also. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing." [8:61] "Whoever kills a soul—unless for a crime or corruption in the land—it is as if he had killed all of mankind." [5:32] "Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and justly with those who have not fought you because of your religion nor expelled you from your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." [60:8]
I won't pretend like Muslims historically had acted according to these verses. But then, i'm not here to defend the actions of Muslims. You said the holy book of Muslims commanded religious intolerance and aggression, which is clearly not the case.
“If you [have reason to] fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty] back to them, [putting you] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors.” ~ Quran Al-Anfal 8:58
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” ~ Surah 9:29
“Muhammad said: ‘I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.’” ~ Sahih Muslim 4366
“Muhammad said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.’” ~ Sahih Muslim 30
“O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” ~ Quran 5:51
“Muhammad said: ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illallah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.’” ~ Sahih al-Bukhari 6924
“Muhammad said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?’ Muhammad said, ‘Yes,’ Muhammad bin Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).’ Muhammad said, ‘You may say it.’” ~ Bukhari 59:369
The Prophet [SAW] said: "I have been commanded to fight the idolators until they bear witness to La ilaha illallah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah) and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. If they bear witness to La ilaha illallah and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger, and they pray as we pray and face our Qiblah, and eat our slaughtered animals, then their blood and wealth becomes forbidden to us except for a right that is due.” ~ Sunan an-Nasa’i 3966
Fight against them until there is no more persecution—and ˹your˺ devotion will be entirely to Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is All-Seeing of what they do. ~ Quran 8:39
Did you even bother reading these, or did you copy paste the first link you found? Half of these aren't even from Quran, ahaha... 8:58 - Says that if you know for certain that your enemies will betray and attack you, then you can nullify your treaty with them, how is this a bad thing? It even mentions being on equal terms. 9:29 - Refers to the instance where the Arab Ghassanids attacked Muslims unprovoked during the 3 holy months where no Arab is allowed to fight, hence they didn't "hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden". 5:51 - Refers specifically to those Jews and Christians who abandoned their Muslim allies in the battle of Badr. Taking it out of context and generalizing it is dishonest. Plenty of other verses encourage keenship with Jews and Christians, even permitting marriage with them. 8:39 - Opens with mentioning that Muslims are fighting to stop their persecution, it's solely defensive in nature.
As you can see every "violent" verse has its justification mentioned in its context. They all refer to the wars started by Meccan polytheists who thought Muhammad's new religion threatened their polytheism based economic scheme. As such there's no verse which explicitly calls for the harming of non-Muslims on religious grounds. Quite the contrary... "Indeed, the Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve" [2:62]
Great, so you defend white genocide. Good to know. Go suicide bomb a synagogue, dune coon.
8:58 - Says that if you know for certain that your enemies will betray and attack you
Translation: “I attacked them because they totally looked like they would attack me first, because I say they did!”
Whites don’t behave this way.
unprovoked
I’m sure. Dindu nuffin, inshallah.
they didn't "hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden”.
Except that’s true of all non-muslims at all times, so muslims are justified in attacking them… at all times. Oh, by the way.
“Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” ~ Quran 9:5
“Literally kill them all anyway, even after our fake ‘peaceful time’!”
Plenty of other verses encourage keenship with Jews and Christians, even permitting marriage with them.
During times when Muslims are too weak to fight and win. Don’t pretend other verses apply otherwise. Abrogation is doctrine.
it's solely defensive in nature.
Amazing that you think we’re unaware of what muruna is.
As you can see every "violent" verse has its justification mentioned in its context.
Oh wow! They justify their violence *no matter the context! That must mean they’re totally peaceful, goyim!
As such there's no verse which explicitly calls for the harming of non-Muslims on religious grounds.
Literally quoted them directly.
Taqiyya
“Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.” ~ Surah 3:28
“When not possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.” ~Reliance of the Traveler, R8.2
“Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream. Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.” ~Al Taqiyya fi al Islam, p. 7; Sami Makarem
Tawryia
“If one swears, ‘I will not eat this wheat,’ but then makes it into flower or bread (A: and eats it), one has not broken one’s oath. If one swears, ‘I will not drink from this river,’ but then drinks its water from a jug, one has broken one’s oath. If one swears, ‘I will not eat meat,’ but then eats fat, kidneys, tripe, liver, heart, spleen, fish, or locusts, one has not broken one’s oath.” ~Reliance of the Traveler, O19.1
“When a person swearing an oath about something (O: in the future, affirming or denying that it will occur) includes the expression ‘in sha’ Allah’ (if Allah wills) before finishing the oath, then the oath is not broken in any event if he thereby intends to provide for exceptions. But if he merely says it out of habit, not intending to make an exception to his oath, or if he says it after having finished swearing the oath, then the exception is not valid (O: because when an oath has been completed, its efficacy is established and not eradicable by a statement of exception).” ~Reliance of the Traveler, O19.5
Muruna
“If we abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We will replace it by a better one or similar.” ~ Surah 2:106
Kitman
“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.” ~ Surah 2:256, Early Medina
“Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willing or by compulsion?” ~ Surah 3:83*, Later Medina
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"There is no compulsion in religion" [2:256]
"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [109:6]
"The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills—let him believe; and whoever wills—let him disbelieve." [18:29]
"But if they turn away—We have not sent you as a guardian over them. Upon you is only the duty of conveyance..."[42:48]
"And had your Lord willed, all those on earth would have believed entirely. Then, O Prophet, would you compel the people in order that they become believers?" [10:99]
COMMAND OF PEACE:
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors." [2:190]
"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it also. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing." [8:61]
"Whoever kills a soul—unless for a crime or corruption in the land—it is as if he had killed all of mankind." [5:32]
"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and justly with those who have not fought you because of your religion nor expelled you from your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." [60:8]
I won't pretend like Muslims historically had acted according to these verses. But then, i'm not here to defend the actions of Muslims. You said the holy book of Muslims commanded religious intolerance and aggression, which is clearly not the case.
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It. Clearly. Is. The. Case.
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8:58 - Says that if you know for certain that your enemies will betray and attack you, then you can nullify your treaty with them, how is this a bad thing? It even mentions being on equal terms.
9:29 - Refers to the instance where the Arab Ghassanids attacked Muslims unprovoked during the 3 holy months where no Arab is allowed to fight, hence they didn't "hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden".
5:51 - Refers specifically to those Jews and Christians who abandoned their Muslim allies in the battle of Badr. Taking it out of context and generalizing it is dishonest. Plenty of other verses encourage keenship with Jews and Christians, even permitting marriage with them.
8:39 - Opens with mentioning that Muslims are fighting to stop their persecution, it's solely defensive in nature.
As you can see every "violent" verse has its justification mentioned in its context. They all refer to the wars started by Meccan polytheists who thought Muhammad's new religion threatened their polytheism based economic scheme. As such there's no verse which explicitly calls for the harming of non-Muslims on religious grounds. Quite the contrary...
"Indeed, the Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve" [2:62]
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Yep.
Great, so you defend white genocide. Good to know. Go suicide bomb a synagogue, dune coon.
Translation: “I attacked them because they totally looked like they would attack me first, because I say they did!”
Whites don’t behave this way.
I’m sure. Dindu nuffin, inshallah.
Except that’s true of all non-muslims at all times, so muslims are justified in attacking them… at all times. Oh, by the way.
“Literally kill them all anyway, even after our fake ‘peaceful time’!”
During times when Muslims are too weak to fight and win. Don’t pretend other verses apply otherwise. Abrogation is doctrine.
Amazing that you think we’re unaware of what muruna is.
Oh wow! They justify their violence *no matter the context! That must mean they’re totally peaceful, goyim!
Literally quoted them directly.
Taqiyya
Tawryia
Muruna
Kitman
Don’t fucking play games.
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