Wing strike because he didn't land level. As soon as the right wing was destroyed all the lift is on the left wing and that caused the roll.
Why he landed unlevel was probably overcompensating for a crosswind. Why he came down too hard was probably because he was overshooting the runway and trying to come down too fast to overcompensate. Should have just did a go around and tried again but guys are too prideful to do go arounds.
Agreed. Judging by his lack of crabbing or wing dip it doesn't look like there was that much of a crosswind (relative to the size of the aircraft). His right main gear catastrophically failed for some reason.
Ya it catastrophically failed because he came down right on it too hard because he wasn't level. All the weight hit that one wheel. Then the wing strike.
Not trying to be a smart ass, but you obviously don't have any experience piloting an airplane. If you really want to try and understand, research crosswind landings.
White men not so much, but look at that Korean Air, or whatever Korean carrier from years ago and yeah, that's a problem with too much pride. Captain didn't want to hear shit from his First Officer, and everyone dies.
Right gear landed first by a fair margin. Looks like a hard landing too. Weight and maintenance would have an impact too.
This appears to have caused the (right) main landing gear to fail, then the right wing to heavily clip and break off, then the plane rolled out of control.
Here's my theory so far: The plane this video is from, is on the hold short line of Runways 23/05, which is at the start of runway 23. That's the runway the incident aircraft is landing on. It's an 11,000 ft runway. (2 miles, 3.37km) Plenty long enough for a CRJ. From where it looks like they touched down, they still had over a mile and half of runway left. CRJ can usually land in less than a mile, so it doesn't suggest they were trying to force it down.
I'm going to guess a mechanical failure of the right main landing gear. Either a maintainence issue or manufacturing issue.
Wind was stronger than normal and gusty but originating from front. Look at the ground snow. Not extreme conditions and I've traveled in worse many times.
Normally a pilot would cut the final turn and approach more into the wind, angled to cross the runway, then yaw rudder it straight just above touchdown. They have the right to overrule tower and adjust. "Crabbing" they call it. A little tricky to get right but a common maneuver. 747's have landed almost sideways this way at low ground speeds dragging one wheel to turn.
This pilot went straight in with too much altitude and flew the aircraft right into the ground from what I saw. There may have been a strong downdraft at the last second. Waiting to hear more.
Never been to an airport just to observe, but did spent a lot of time flying for vacations as a kid. Definitely looked like they went in too hard and heavy, and wound up eating shit really bad.
Haven't reviewed conditions, but it looks like they had significant headwinds. Aircraft also looks like its coming in long on the runway, but I have no idea were that taxiway is in relation to the touchdown zone.
When the plane touched down, it slammed into the ground hard. So his descent rate was way too high. I'm guessing that he wasn't properly in the glide slope, so he likely failed to descend at the VOR beacon for the approach like he was supposed to, and decided not To Go Around (TOGA).
The head wind may have contributed to the crash by making them throttle up to maintain their airspeed, causing them to overshoot the glidepath and descend too fast.
The entire approach should have been aborted long before he got that close
The higher the headwind, the lower the groundspeed necessary. There is no throttle up needed. I've taken off and landed in around 50 feet on a super windy day.
With a high enough headwind, you could take off from a stationary position.
Once when I was on a solo training flight I was flying parallel over an interstate highway. I was bucking a strong headwind, and decided to throttle back to see just how slow I could go without stalling. I looked down at the ground at one point and noticed the cars were passing me (I was in a C152). I continued to slow down and eventually realized that I was actually moving backwards in relation to objects on the ground. I was still well above stall speed.
It looks like one of the landing gear collapsed causing that side of the plane to drop which sheered off the wing, and then the plane just kept rolling until it was upside down.
Certainly looks like wind shoved the right side down hard right at the last moment. Something that good pilots know to feel for when on the stick. I'm curious if the pilot was a woman or DEI. I have my suspicions.
In a crosswind landing you typically put the 'upwind main gear' down first. You can tell by angle of the snow drifting across the taxiway that there was a crosswind.
I've seen harder landings than this. Didn't someone post here yesterday the plane had maintenance done on the landing gear a few weeks ago? A compromised landing gear and a harder than usual landing, with strong crosswinds.
My guess is that something failed with the right main landing gear. For example, the brakes on that strut could have been locked up/frozen when the plane touched down. The tires melted and exploded from the heat generated by the friction of dragging along the runway. Once the wheel assemblies blew apart the gear strut would start dragging on the runway resulting in the entire strut assembly tearing off the plane. That failure could have been so catastrophic that the wing spar itself was severely damaged, and would explain why the wing collapsed and broke away. It's also possible that the gear itself simply failed for some reason.
The landing was nowhere near hard enough to cause this crash, however. That doesn't mean the conclusions reached by investigative agencies won't say otherwise. Most of the time they are guessing or outright lying when it comes to investigating aircraft accidents. They're better with incidents.
God damn Canadians. They can't even crash planes right.
Zero fatalities? Oh come on, Canadians! We American know how to crash a damn plane with greater effect, bigger fires and huge losses of life. It's a fucking PLANE CRASH, but oh no, Canada is way behind the US even in fucking up. We Americans get worse injuries in onboard fist fights than this.
Please Trump, don't annex Canada. Not until they learn to get the simple things right.
But it's all true! And after crashing, where's the screaming and panic? These silly folks remained quiet and calmly, CALMLY departed the plane without a stampede. WTF?
What did America ever do to deserve having neighbors like this?
[ + ] dalai_llama
[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 11:24:23 ago (+0/-0)
Why he landed unlevel was probably overcompensating for a crosswind. Why he came down too hard was probably because he was overshooting the runway and trying to come down too fast to overcompensate. Should have just did a go around and tried again but guys are too prideful to do go arounds.
[ + ] Osmanthus
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[ + ] dalai_llama
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[ + ] Consensus_Reality
[ - ] Consensus_Reality 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 18:59:49 ago (+0/-0)
Here's a place to start:
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/maneuvers/how-to-make-a-perfect-crosswind-landing-every-time-touchdown-on-centerline/
[ + ] dalai_llama
[ - ] dalai_llama 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 19:06:59 ago (+0/-0)
I'm not trying to be a smart ass but you really don't understand English.
Here's a place to start:
https://www.starfall.com/h/abcs/
[ + ] TheNoticing
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[ + ] MayhemInChief
[ - ] MayhemInChief 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 21:42:39 ago (+0/-0)
This appears to have caused the (right) main landing gear to fail, then the right wing to heavily clip and break off, then the plane rolled out of control.
[ + ] AngryWhiteKeyboardWarrior
[ - ] AngryWhiteKeyboardWarrior 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 22:13:32 ago (+0/-0)
The plane this video is from, is on the hold short line of Runways 23/05, which is at the start of runway 23. That's the runway the incident aircraft is landing on. It's an 11,000 ft runway. (2 miles, 3.37km) Plenty long enough for a CRJ. From where it looks like they touched down, they still had over a mile and half of runway left. CRJ can usually land in less than a mile, so it doesn't suggest they were trying to force it down.
I'm going to guess a mechanical failure of the right main landing gear. Either a maintainence issue or manufacturing issue.
[ + ] xmasskull
[ - ] xmasskull 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 22:16:34 ago (+0/-0)
Best guess.
[ + ] shitface9000
[ - ] shitface9000 1 point 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 11:18:41 ago (+1/-0)
if I were a betting man, I would short airline stocks, and every other company that is tied to the air travel industry.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 13:40:52 ago (+1/-0)
Who would endure the humiliation of airline travel these days? There's no place to go that's worth submitting to that.
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[ + ] 2plus2equals5
[ - ] 2plus2equals5 1 point 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 12:41:20 ago (+1/-0)
Normally a pilot would cut the final turn and approach more into the wind, angled to cross the runway, then yaw rudder it straight just above touchdown. They have the right to overrule tower and adjust. "Crabbing" they call it. A little tricky to get right but a common maneuver. 747's have landed almost sideways this way at low ground speeds dragging one wheel to turn.
This pilot went straight in with too much altitude and flew the aircraft right into the ground from what I saw. There may have been a strong downdraft at the last second. Waiting to hear more.
[ + ] TheNoticing
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[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
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[ + ] 9000timesempty
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[ + ] RobertJHarsh
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/17/world/delta-toronto-plane-crash
[ + ] SundayMatinee
[ - ] SundayMatinee 3 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 12:27:24 ago (+3/-0)
When the plane touched down, it slammed into the ground hard. So his descent rate was way too high. I'm guessing that he wasn't properly in the glide slope, so he likely failed to descend at the VOR beacon for the approach like he was supposed to, and decided not To Go Around (TOGA).
The head wind may have contributed to the crash by making them throttle up to maintain their airspeed, causing them to overshoot the glidepath and descend too fast.
The entire approach should have been aborted long before he got that close
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 4 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 13:35:01 ago (+4/-0)
With a high enough headwind, you could take off from a stationary position.
[ + ] Consensus_Reality
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[ + ] TheNoticing
[ - ] TheNoticing 1 point 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 12:51:48 ago (+2/-1)
Absolutely 100% agree.
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 1 point 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 14:50:54 ago (+1/-0)
Look at how low the front was. Too fast, too low, too long in landing.
[ + ] Osmanthus
[ - ] Osmanthus 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 14:17:29 ago (+1/-1)
Headwinds are ideal for landing.
Crosswinds not so much.
[ + ] pickingrinninspittin
[ - ] pickingrinninspittin 4 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 10:03:54 ago (+4/-0)
It looks like one of the landing gear collapsed causing that side of the plane to drop which sheered off the wing, and then the plane just kept rolling until it was upside down.
[ + ] Darwintroll
[ - ] Darwintroll 6 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 10:31:16 ago (+6/-0)
I'm curious if the pilot was a woman or DEI. I have my suspicions.
[ + ] Consensus_Reality
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[ + ] inaminit
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[ + ] Consensus_Reality
[ - ] Consensus_Reality 4 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 13:46:47 ago (+4/-0)*
The landing was nowhere near hard enough to cause this crash, however. That doesn't mean the conclusions reached by investigative agencies won't say otherwise. Most of the time they are guessing or outright lying when it comes to investigating aircraft accidents. They're better with incidents.
For anybody curious here is some referential information:
https://pilot-protection-services.aopa.org/news/2016/may/04/did-i-just-have-an-accident-or-an-incident
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[ + ] Panic
[ - ] Panic 12 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 10:53:55 ago (+12/-0)
Zero fatalities? Oh come on, Canadians! We American know how to crash a damn plane with greater effect, bigger fires and huge losses of life. It's a fucking PLANE CRASH, but oh no, Canada is way behind the US even in fucking up. We Americans get worse injuries in onboard fist fights than this.
Please Trump, don't annex Canada. Not until they learn to get the simple things right.
[ + ] BeholdTheLight
[ - ] BeholdTheLight [op] 2 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 11:11:47 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Panic
[ - ] Panic 5 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 12:00:45 ago (+5/-0)
What did America ever do to deserve having neighbors like this?