legally he is no longer the president. His term of office has expired, new elections should have taken place by now. But in a dictatorship that is of course not necessary.
Not true, The Ukrainian constitution and martial law legislation clearly prohibit presidential, parliamentary, and local elections from taking place under martial law. Ukraine is under martial law.
I often disagree with you Sal, but I appreciate that you usually take the high road.. Im so tired of the you’re-wrong-because-fuck-you-you-kike-fed-whore type responses.
Ive just had two arguments in the last 24 hrs— one with someone who insisted that Elon was a jew, another who insisted that Michelle Obama was a man. Im sure there are equally silly beliefs passed around on Bluesky or wherever liberals go. Putin eats Ukrainian babies or whatever. People are really open to silly narratives if they are beneficial to them personally or at least if they think its beneficial to them personally. Look at the Q phenomenon ffs.
What does the Ukraine constitution say about the timeline of the Martial law that was imposed - hadn't it expired and was renewed somewhat recently = while little zels actual presidential mandate/ Authority has expired under the constitution? (plot twist - does the president get to extend his lawful authority because of the imposition of martial law under the constitution?)
Why would any real man sit down and talk with a little manlet jew who played piano with his tiny jewish dick on TV? That's embarrassing and how could anyone ever take the pedo seriously? Once they are done with his stupid little ass he will run to his mansion in Florida but little does he know how (((TPTB))) do business with used up assets.
He’s a fucking puppet and his masters have abandoned him. As far as I can tell, Ukraine was run by the CIA or the State Dept. and it seems as though theyve had their legs temporarily cut out from under them
It's more than just the US, Canada was directly involved in the 2014 "revolution". If we're involved along with the US, the UK is definitely in the mix as well.
Not sure if you heard but Global Affais Canada bleached their website of all programs they were funding right after DOGE started the USAID audit, luckily some guy downloaded the data through the API access before they wiped the entire database. Global affairs funded certain USAID programs, it's a huge international web of money laundering, kickbacks & bribes.
They have all the business, considering they are providing the rump of the financial funding and munitions support (All of Ukraine's Govt operating costs, salaries, civilian pensions and social services are being paid for because ukraines economy basically doesn't exist to even run the country without bankruptcy) to prop up this sorry excuse of a corrupted regime. With no US funding and military aid - the war would be over in a number of weeks - even if the EU aid still continued. As it would have been at the very outset of 2022.
So the USA has every right to begin discussions as an interested third party
You're absolutely and intentionally choosing to miss the point; of course the war would have been over in 2022 if the US hadn't provoked it or funded it.
The United States has no right to negotiate on behalf of a sovereign nation. They can stop funding Ukraine. They can stop supplying Ukraine. They can choose to stop acting in a completely lawless manner within Ukraine. They can stop spending over a trillion dollars destabilizing the region - and attacking Russia for pure domestic partisan criminal benefit. And THAT is their right. But the United States has no right to claim dominion over Ukraine because it forced a war upon it. Ukraine paid in the lives of it's men who were forced to die in order to make room for the jewish migrants that are moving there.
Nope, They have every right to hold discussions about an end to conflict with one of the Nations involved.
Especially when ukraine has been held 'peace discussions and setting forth how negotiations should look like' with the EU several times in the last two years while purposely excluding Russia from attending.
Nor are the US specifically negotiating on Ukraine's behalf - they are holding discussions concerning the future relationship between the US and Russia that also includes the Ukraine situation.
Love the reeeeeing from nAFO's getting a taste of their own hypocrisy.
EDIT:
But the United States has no right to claim dominion over Ukraine because it forced a war upon it.
Unfortunately, for the poor civilians, the corrupt Ukraine regime purposely went along with it and got them all into this mess. FAFO.
My bad. Misunderstood the character of the interaction. I'm talking about the legitimate nature of the involvement and the overreach and you're just not that interested in that. All good. Take care.
Yeah, no problem. I'm well aware of the underlying geo-political interference of past administrations and unelected international movers and shakers. I was simply focusing on the here and now. Take care yourself.
[ - ] dassar 1 point 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 14:41:28 ago (+1/-0)
And stand by and let the ethnic Russian speaking people of eastern Ukraine be annihilated?
You realize the US State dept funded illegitimate violent coup precipitated the eastern Ukraine oblast's desire for greater autonomy within the Ukraine sphere, as those areas lost all confidence in the so called 'democratic' process of Ukraine, even more so after the US installed a handpicked (anti-Russian) regime immediately after.
Ukraine stopping all payments for local Govt administration, social services, salaries of officials and civilian pensions of those areas in 2022 always meant those areas where less inclined to go back under actual Ukraine Authority so held referendums for admittance to the RF after failures of minsk one and two - of which the RF took over all payments for the local govt administration of those areas .
Ukraine is never getting those areas back. Hope all the azov, Banderites and good goy kike coomers become paste.
Russian millitary and government backed militant groups in Ukraine. Any resistance against it was called "attacks against Russians". Since 1997 their plan for Ukraine were know. Annex the east.
Since 1997 their plan for Ukraine were know. Annex the east.
You must mean the NATO/ Western expansion into the Russian sphere of influence and direct threat to their National security.
Ukraine became a partnership for peace member of nATo in 1994. NATo Partnership for Peace was developed — not as an alternative to membership, but to help nations make the reforms necessary to be considered credible candidates for membership once NATO enlargement got underway.
Then Ukraine became a EOP (Enhanced opportunities Partner of NATO in 2020 - two full years before the SMO). As an Enhanced Opportunities Partner, Ukraine benefits from tailor-made opportunities to help sustain contributions to NATO-led operations and missions. This includes enhanced access to interoperability programmes and exercises, and more sharing of information (ie, satellite/ gps targeting and intelligence for deep strike Western manufactured missile munitions).
Finally, after being indirectly snubbed on the issue, zelensky submitted a formal application demanding immediate fast tracked full MAP status to Nato (allowing article 5) at the end of 2022 or 2023.
All the while him and msm repeatedly telling everyone for months 'Ukraine has no and has never had any desire to join NATo!!'
Ok, so they didn't apply to join until long after they were invaded. And they knew that application would be rejected. Why was it ok for Finland to join? 200 miles from St Petersburg.
No, they have been on the pathway since 1994, and have been constantly begging ever since. Like the corrupt basket case they are.
The only thing stopping full MAP membership is because of internal corruption. THe NATO process from Partnership, EOP and MAP membership - is to among other things reorganize systems of military organization and communication and supply / logistics to be able to operate within the NATO framework of Warfare /defense doctrine and co-operability with NATO partners - there are parameters that must be meet at each stage of partnership to then progress to the next stage including anti-corruption procedures -Ukraine has repeatedly failed each time, so is why he jumped the shark for requesting a full MAP nomination.
If You're so invested in the ukr narrative you must be purposely deceitful to not know any of this.
Didnt know you decide Russian policy and what is or isn't important to them?.
Nor are any of those places a large flat open plain directly into the Russian underbelly - and historically the direction of several past invasions. Plus none of those nations are directly killing their own Russian speaking population.
Grow up and read some actual non-biased/ non Western centric material about the issue.
You are fcking boring - asking questions that anyone actually honestly interested in the topic would already know.
Browser just ate my five paragraph response. TLDR — no youre wrong. America was the aggressor. You were conned.
Liberals like you were sold a simplistic narrative, something you wanted to believe (sound familiar?). You can’t have the CIA fuel a coup in Ukraine and then act like you’re protecting democracy! US/NATO economic and military expansionism into the Russian geo/political sphere is aggressive and ongoing for several decades. We have no business blowing up Russian pipelines and building missile bases in Ukraine. This expansionism is an existential threat to Russia and its certainly not democratic or grass roots in anyway. The aim is regime change in Russia to their pre-approved Russian puppets. Liberals simultaneously rail against Russian interference while supporting CIA fuckery and Burisma grafts.
Im sure Chechnya involved the same sort of fuckery. The balkan war did too. We’re the baddies.
Expansion of the US empire is unsupportable. We should be dismantling it, not growing it. Do you want us to believe that Ukraine should be a US colony rather than a Russian one? Or are you so naive as to think Ukraine isn’t a colony, isn’t a satellite state? Thats what this is about. Ukraine is useful to american oligarchs as a strategic asset geographically. And it was a convenient way to fuck around with Russia’s energy sector.
Its all about money. The people pushing this war don’t care about democracy. They stirred up the jingoism in this region by exploiting centuries old conflicts. Its what they do. Its the fucking purpose of the CIA.
Thank god some liberals are starting to wake up to this particular psyop. You should too. This is a shit war that never should have happened. And it wouldn’t have had US expansionism not poked the Russian dragon 37 times in the last 3 decades. Why are the fucking baltics in NATO, a millitary alliance who’s mission is the destruction of Russia’s military advantage? Thats not provocative?
Putin is the next Hitler!
A common refrain from the left. Hitler wasn’t even Hitler. They use an overly simplistic false dichotomy to manipulate populations. Manufactured consent! Liberals aren’t more rational or immune to this manipulation. This was a terrible war that never should have happened. It was about grabbing Ukraine as a strategic advantage and drumming up business for Blackwater type security companies and drone manufacturers. Nothing altruistic about why the US government pursued this confrontation. Wake up.
[ + ] boekanier
[ - ] boekanier [op] 8 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 09:28:29 ago (+8/-0)
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 17:12:43 ago (+1/-0)
They were never promoted by judeo-satanists to give goyim representation.
But to give the illusion of representation and people power to prevent goyim revolts.
Soft shackles vs hard.
I for one welcome a nationalist dictator over frauds any day.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 20:31:55 ago (+1/-0)
Someone that gets shit done over pandering to queers, kikes and tards.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -9 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:00:15 ago (+1/-10)
[ + ] Bottled_Tears
[ - ] Bottled_Tears 7 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:20:47 ago (+7/-0)
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -6 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:25:24 ago (+0/-6)
That's fine, you'll fit in well here
[ + ] Bottled_Tears
[ - ] Bottled_Tears 2 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 19:28:48 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:48:18 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -5 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:03:26 ago (+0/-5)*
The irony is, Putin being leader of Russia since 1999 is apparently perfectly fine
[ + ] Bottled_Tears
[ - ] Bottled_Tears 2 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 19:30:38 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena -2 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:31:20 ago (+1/-3)
Ive just had two arguments in the last 24 hrs— one with someone who insisted that Elon was a jew, another who insisted that Michelle Obama was a man. Im sure there are equally silly beliefs passed around on Bluesky or wherever liberals go. Putin eats Ukrainian babies or whatever. People are really open to silly narratives if they are beneficial to them personally or at least if they think its beneficial to them personally. Look at the Q phenomenon ffs.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:57:34 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] Bottled_Tears
[ - ] Bottled_Tears 2 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 02:38:12 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena -2 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 18:40:56 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:39:40 ago (+1/-1)
Ive hewrd this enough times that i have now read the Ukrainian constitution.
It says nonsuch thing.
It does how ever say.
- Ukrainian gov cant give away mineral or resource rights (they belong to ukranians only)
- and that any change to territory can be via all-ukranian referendum
[ + ] Razzoriel
[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 14:25:14 ago (+0/-0)
the post
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 14:46:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 5 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 10:10:52 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 17:13:08 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 4 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:25:35 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] Shitstartercarter
[ - ] Shitstartercarter 3 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 15:56:03 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 3 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:51:21 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Rotteuxx
[ - ] Rotteuxx 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 18:26:31 ago (+0/-0)
Not sure if you heard but Global Affais Canada bleached their website of all programs they were funding right after DOGE started the USAID audit, luckily some guy downloaded the data through the API access before they wiped the entire database. Global affairs funded certain USAID programs, it's a huge international web of money laundering, kickbacks & bribes.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 18:38:20 ago (+0/-0)
Good!
[ + ] Bottled_Tears
[ - ] Bottled_Tears 1 point 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 11:12:37 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Indoctrinated_USA
[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 17:34:03 ago (+0/-0)
If you ever wanted proof this was a proxy war being waged by the United States; this is it.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 20:41:53 ago (+0/-0)
With no US funding and military aid - the war would be over in a number of weeks - even if the EU aid still continued.
As it would have been at the very outset of 2022.
So the USA has every right to begin discussions as an interested third party
[ + ] Indoctrinated_USA
[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 0 points 2 monthsFeb 19, 2025 01:47:04 ago (+0/-0)
The United States has no right to negotiate on behalf of a sovereign nation.
They can stop funding Ukraine.
They can stop supplying Ukraine.
They can choose to stop acting in a completely lawless manner within Ukraine.
They can stop spending over a trillion dollars destabilizing the region - and attacking Russia for pure domestic partisan criminal benefit.
And THAT is their right.
But the United States has no right to claim dominion over Ukraine because it forced a war upon it.
Ukraine paid in the lives of it's men who were forced to die in order to make room for the jewish migrants that are moving there.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 19, 2025 02:12:58 ago (+0/-0)*
Especially when ukraine has been held 'peace discussions and setting forth how negotiations should look like' with the EU several times in the last two years while purposely excluding Russia from attending.
Nor are the US specifically negotiating on Ukraine's behalf - they are holding discussions concerning the future relationship between the US and Russia that also includes the Ukraine situation.
Love the reeeeeing from nAFO's getting a taste of their own hypocrisy.
EDIT:
Unfortunately, for the poor civilians, the corrupt Ukraine regime purposely went along with it and got them all into this mess. FAFO.
[ + ] Indoctrinated_USA
[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 0 points 2 monthsFeb 19, 2025 03:54:51 ago (+0/-0)
Misunderstood the character of the interaction.
I'm talking about the legitimate nature of the involvement and the overreach and you're just not that interested in that.
All good.
Take care.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 19, 2025 04:12:02 ago (+0/-0)
I'm well aware of the underlying geo-political interference of past administrations and unelected international movers and shakers.
I was simply focusing on the here and now.
Take care yourself.
[ + ] con77
[ - ] con77 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:33:32 ago (+0/-0)
He ought to take the money and run.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:06:40 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:34:04 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 12:59:59 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 14:41:28 ago (+1/-0)
You realize the US State dept funded illegitimate violent coup precipitated the eastern Ukraine oblast's desire for greater autonomy within the Ukraine sphere, as those areas lost all confidence in the so called 'democratic' process of Ukraine, even more so after the US installed a handpicked (anti-Russian) regime immediately after.
Ukraine stopping all payments for local Govt administration, social services, salaries of officials and civilian pensions of those areas in 2022 always meant those areas where less inclined to go back under actual Ukraine Authority so held referendums for admittance to the RF after failures of minsk one and two - of which the RF took over all payments for the local govt administration of those areas .
Ukraine is never getting those areas back.
Hope all the azov, Banderites and good goy kike coomers become paste.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -2 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 15:06:34 ago (+0/-2)
Russian millitary and government backed militant groups in Ukraine. Any resistance against it was called "attacks against Russians". Since 1997 their plan for Ukraine were know. Annex the east.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 20:30:45 ago (+0/-0)*
You must mean the NATO/ Western expansion into the Russian sphere of influence and direct threat to their National security.
Ukraine became a partnership for peace member of nATo in 1994.
NATo Partnership for Peace was developed — not as an alternative to membership, but to help nations make the reforms necessary to be considered credible candidates for membership once NATO enlargement got underway.
Then Ukraine became a EOP (Enhanced opportunities Partner of NATO in 2020 - two full years before the SMO).
As an Enhanced Opportunities Partner, Ukraine benefits from tailor-made opportunities to help sustain contributions to NATO-led operations and missions. This includes enhanced access to interoperability programmes and exercises, and more sharing of information (ie, satellite/ gps targeting and intelligence for deep strike Western manufactured missile munitions).
Finally, after being indirectly snubbed on the issue, zelensky submitted a formal application demanding immediate fast tracked full MAP status to Nato (allowing article 5) at the end of 2022 or 2023.
All the while him and msm repeatedly telling everyone for months 'Ukraine has no and has never had any desire to join NATo!!'
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -2 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 04:12:11 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 14:21:22 ago (+0/-0)
The only thing stopping full MAP membership is because of internal corruption. THe NATO process from Partnership, EOP and MAP membership - is to among other things reorganize systems of military organization and communication and supply / logistics to be able to operate within the NATO framework of Warfare /defense doctrine and co-operability with NATO partners - there are parameters that must be meet at each stage of partnership to then progress to the next stage including anti-corruption procedures -Ukraine has repeatedly failed each time, so is why he jumped the shark for requesting a full MAP nomination.
If You're so invested in the ukr narrative you must be purposely deceitful to not know any of this.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -2 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 14:39:19 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 2 monthsFeb 18, 2025 14:49:55 ago (+0/-0)*
Nor are any of those places a large flat open plain directly into the Russian underbelly - and historically the direction of several past invasions. Plus none of those nations are directly killing their own Russian speaking population.
Grow up and read some actual non-biased/ non Western centric material about the issue.
You are fcking boring - asking questions that anyone actually honestly interested in the topic would already know.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2 monthsFeb 17, 2025 15:09:34 ago (+0/-0)
Liberals like you were sold a simplistic narrative, something you wanted to believe (sound familiar?). You can’t have the CIA fuel a coup in Ukraine and then act like you’re protecting democracy! US/NATO economic and military expansionism into the Russian geo/political sphere is aggressive and ongoing for several decades. We have no business blowing up Russian pipelines and building missile bases in Ukraine. This expansionism is an existential threat to Russia and its certainly not democratic or grass roots in anyway. The aim is regime change in Russia to their pre-approved Russian puppets. Liberals simultaneously rail against Russian interference while supporting CIA fuckery and Burisma grafts.
Im sure Chechnya involved the same sort of fuckery. The balkan war did too. We’re the baddies.
Expansion of the US empire is unsupportable. We should be dismantling it, not growing it. Do you want us to believe that Ukraine should be a US colony rather than a Russian one? Or are you so naive as to think Ukraine isn’t a colony, isn’t a satellite state? Thats what this is about. Ukraine is useful to american oligarchs as a strategic asset geographically. And it was a convenient way to fuck around with Russia’s energy sector.
Its all about money. The people pushing this war don’t care about democracy. They stirred up the jingoism in this region by exploiting centuries old conflicts. Its what they do. Its the fucking purpose of the CIA.
Thank god some liberals are starting to wake up to this particular psyop. You should too. This is a shit war that never should have happened. And it wouldn’t have had US expansionism not poked the Russian dragon 37 times in the last 3 decades. Why are the fucking baltics in NATO, a millitary alliance who’s mission is the destruction of Russia’s military advantage? Thats not provocative?
A common refrain from the left. Hitler wasn’t even Hitler. They use an overly simplistic false dichotomy to manipulate populations. Manufactured consent! Liberals aren’t more rational or immune to this manipulation. This was a terrible war that never should have happened. It was about grabbing Ukraine as a strategic advantage and drumming up business for Blackwater type security companies and drone manufacturers. Nothing altruistic about why the US government pursued this confrontation. Wake up.