A lot of y'all already know I'm on probation for DUI, so consider that the refresher. Friday I get a call from the PO saying I pissed hot for extacy back in December. My options were to get violated or pay $180 to have it retested. So I leave work and get a money order, take it to the probation office. I get there and she won't take my money. Apparently they can only test it within two weeks of giving the sample, so I'm violated. I'll get a knock on my door or a cop at my job anytime after Monday to either serve a notice to appear or a warrant for my arrest.
Reasons this is fucked: 1. I don't do drugs, I damn sure didn't do extacy. 2. Extacy has the most false positives out of everything they test for 3. They should have told me back when I failed the test instead of four weeks later. I'm at that office every week for something, sometimes twice or three times a week. I wasn't afforded the opportunity to prove that they made a mistake, and I'm supposed to have that fucking opportunity.
I don't know what happens next. I'm at the mercy of the judge. My PO said I should get a lawyer to protect myself from their mistakes. Can't afford that, but I'm getting a hair follicle test done next week if they don't come get me before then. Any advice?
Parole Officers have a set of rules they must follow. Learn those rules. Be prepared to show the judge they violated their own rules. Convey to the judge that you are prepared to comply with the requirements, if they would follow them.
I know those rules and I've demonstrated willingness to do whatever it takes not to violate. I'm on record going above and beyond what was asked of me. Sometimes you can do everything right and still lose
That’s rough, you can’t win if the system doesn’t want you to win. My next piece of advice is something obvious that I’m guessing you are already doing, but document everything. Be meticulous, document times dates, conversations, record everything. Know what is legal to record and what is illegal to record but don’t hesitate to illegally record for yourself, it just won’t be admissible but you’ll have it to keep things straight.
3. Seek our free legal servcies Legal Services Corporation: https://www.lsc.gov National Legal Aid & Defender Association: https://www.nlada.org American Bar Association Free Legal Help Directory: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_services/flh-home Law Help (State-Specific Legal Aid): https://www.lawhelp.org State Bar Association Directory: Look up your state’s bar association for local pro bono services https://www.americanbar.org/groups/bar_services/resources/state_local_bar_associations ------------------------------- 4 Privately get a hair follicle test in case there is some medication causing false results - check the result carefully. They can attest the validity of the process.
------------------------------------ 5 Obtain the assistance of the Parole officer or document that they are overwhelmed and unable to respond. Submitting the Test Results: You can present the results to your probation officer, who may then communicate them to the court or help explain the situation. Assessing the Evidence: They can assist in evaluating whether the private test provides a reasonable explanation for the result, such as medication or a false positive. Acting as an Intermediary: They can act as a liaison between you and the court if needed, ensuring the court considers the private test when determining your case.
------------------------------------------------ 6 Request a hearing Contact the Court or Probation Officer: You can request a hearing through the court handling your case or ask your probation officer for instructions on how to formally request one. Submit a Written Request: This may be done in writing if directed by the court, including a clear explanation of your situation and why the hearing is necessary.
6.1 Obtain Character Witnesses for your hearing - request they attend your hearing to show your good standing, they can include employers, friends, family, others who can vouch for you behavior and efforts to comply with probation - if they cannot attend in person you could ask them to submit written letters of support ot the court - check with the court if letters would be sufficient or if the witnesses need to appear.
7. Obtain a public defender Contact the court handling their probation and ask for instructions on how to request a public defender.
What a public defender should bring Benefits of a Public Defender: - Legal Expertise: Experienced in the system and case procedures. - Resources: Access to investigators, experts, and negotiation leverage. - Sentencing Insight: Knowledge of how judges typically rule.
Steps for Self-Defense: - Understand the Charges: Research the charges and consequences. - Prepare Your Case: Gather evidence, test results, and character witness statements. - Learn the Legal Process: Familiarize with court procedures and presenting evidence. - Practice Statements: Prepare clear, concise, and respectful statements for the judge.
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A pro bono attorney is better than a public defender
A pro bono attorney generally offers a higher level of personalized attention than a public defender because: 1. Case Focus: Pro bono attorneys typically handle fewer cases at a time, allowing them to devote more attention and time to each individual case, while public defenders often juggle many clients due to high caseloads.
2. Expertise: Pro bono attorneys can specialize in specific areas of law, giving them tailored knowledge of the case type (e.g., criminal, drug violations). Public defenders usually have broad knowledge but may not specialize in one area due to their varied caseloads.
3. Advocacy: Since pro bono attorneys are not tied to a public office or caseload restrictions, they might be more inclined to push harder for your case and thoroughly explore all possible defense strategies.
I know I haven't responded to most people in this thread. I posted before work and I'm processing everything, even the jokes. I've been getting my ass kicked by this probation, this isn't the first time I've run into problems doing everything I thought was, and turned out to be right. Again, thank you.
The hair follicle test is a good idea and may save your ass here. Just speak calmly to the judge because he/she/they/them are the ones who can reinstate your parole. Keep a good attitude with them in spite of. Make sure and tell the judge that you would never put something like that in your body.
Meanwhile, every wetback in America is driving home Saturday morning on the wrong side of the freeway on their 6th DUI and it's just par for the course.
I thought you were a skinhead for some reason. Does it seem like the PO has your back? I had mine during covid so everything was done through the Internet (thankfully)
My hair drops 12" below my shoulders. Yeah, PO has my back but it's her fuck up. She's been out of the office more often than not and everytime I see her she's all piss and vinegar about how unorganized her office is.
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 3 monthsJan 26, 2025 17:06:53 ago (+1/-0)
My hair was over 2 feet long when I entered the army. All the barbers left their guys and stood around mine to watch. He had the biggest grin I've ever seen on a face.
All that, and then they canceled the war while I was still in AIT. Got sent to the east German border instead.
I had probation for a DUI 35 years ago. I walked into my POs office and she was a 300 lb sack of shit that had LITERALLY 50 Jesus things in an office the size of a walk in closet.
The most common assignment back then was shoveling sand on the beach for the Suncoast Seabird Sanctuary. Im thinking fuck that.
I had read their material and it said I could find my own public service. or whatever they called it. I brought this up and she said "I highly doubt anything you propose would get approved". I had long hair!
I went to the Largo Public Library and they were glad to have me! Bitch approved it too!
WHAT I DIDNT KNOW WAS THAT THE LIBRARY WAS A HUGE FAG PICKUP SPOT AT THE TIME. I HAD THOSE WEIRD BASTARDS FOLLOWING ME AROUND THE LIBRARY LIKE I WAS THE ICE CREAM TRUCK!
Doesn't matter where the hair comes from, really. Someone I know wanting to join the Army (yeah, I know) got the bright idea that if he shaved his head before going in, they'd never be able to tell he was a pothead. His buddy told him that they'll get a hair sample from your butthole if they have to, but they will get their sample.
Did you ask them if paying for and passing a hair follicle test would be your favor? If so do it. Other than that I would save the $ for court fees/fines. What's the minimum sentence for violating probation?
Move the fuck out of that DEI shithole full of fucking lazy ass piece of shit niggers and beaners who are too fucking stupid to do their jobs like test your pee.
And quit being a dumbass and playing their revenue game of drinking and driving, that's why you got married, so she can drive your dumbass.
Man, fuck cops. Fuck the whole kiked legal system. Make sure to avoid anything with poppyseeds in it too, because they can result in false positives for heroin/opium.
This is why a good lawyer can be priceless, or at least equal in value to 6 months of your life in this case.
I wasn't afforded the opportunity to prove that they made a mistake, and I'm supposed to have that fucking opportunity.
Document this with whatever paperwork you can put together. Same for any medications you may have taken that are "commonly or legally" acknowledged to cause false positives.
I'm getting a hair follicle test done next week
With a place where their tests are legally admissible in court? This would be the perfect time for your lawyer to file paperwork highlighting the delayed notice of the failed test, and asking for a court date to address it instead of issuing a bench warrant.
If this doesn't blow up, how much longer is your probation?
At the least, bring a printout of the false positives issue, and submit it to the judge. Not too long, just the basic facts, something he can read in a minute.
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Just let me and the fellow Florida cracker goats know so we can make some popcorn and brag a lawn chair to spectate…..
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[ + ] Cantaloupe
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1. Document - Record test and notification dates, what your PO said, and details about retesting. Keep receipts like the $180 money order.
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2. MDMA False Positives:
Tracked purchases (Sudafed, Bronkaid) last 2-3 years
OTC Medications: Pseudoephedrine, ibuprofen, dextromethorphan.
Bronkaid Max (which contains 25mg of ephedrine sulfate as a bronchodilator) could cause a false postive
Prescription Medications: Bupropion, sertraline, trazodone, venlafaxine, methylphenidate, amantadine.
Antihistamines: Diphenhydramine (Benadryl), loratadine (Claritin).
Supplements: Ephedra, weight-loss pills, some pre-workouts.
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3. Seek our free legal servcies
Legal Services Corporation: https://www.lsc.gov
National Legal Aid & Defender Association: https://www.nlada.org
American Bar Association Free Legal Help Directory: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_services/flh-home
Law Help (State-Specific Legal Aid): https://www.lawhelp.org
State Bar Association Directory: Look up your state’s bar association for local pro bono services
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/bar_services/resources/state_local_bar_associations
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4 Privately get a hair follicle test in case there is some medication causing false results - check the result carefully. They can attest the validity of the process.
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5 Obtain the assistance of the Parole officer or document that they are overwhelmed and unable to respond.
Submitting the Test Results: You can present the results to your probation officer, who may then communicate them to the court or help explain the situation.
Assessing the Evidence: They can assist in evaluating whether the private test provides a reasonable explanation for the result, such as medication or a false positive.
Acting as an Intermediary: They can act as a liaison between you and the court if needed, ensuring the court considers the private test when determining your case.
------------------------------------------------
6 Request a hearing
Contact the Court or Probation Officer: You can request a hearing through the court handling your case or ask your probation officer for instructions on how to formally request one.
Submit a Written Request: This may be done in writing if directed by the court, including a clear explanation of your situation and why the hearing is necessary.
6.1 Obtain Character Witnesses for your hearing - request they attend your hearing to show your good standing, they can include employers, friends, family, others who can vouch for you behavior and efforts to comply with probation - if they cannot attend in person you could ask them to submit written letters of support ot the court - check with the court if letters would be sufficient or if the witnesses need to appear.
7. Obtain a public defender
Contact the court handling their probation and ask for instructions on how to request a public defender.
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8. Inform yourself about the law - don't represent yourself - but learn how to.
1. Nolo's "Fight Your Ticket": https://www.nolo.com
2. LawHelp.org: https://www.lawhelp.org
3. FindLaw: https://www.findlaw.com
4. Justia: https://www.justia.com
5. NLADA: https://www.nlada.org
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What a public defender should bring
Benefits of a Public Defender:
- Legal Expertise: Experienced in the system and case procedures.
- Resources: Access to investigators, experts, and negotiation leverage.
- Sentencing Insight: Knowledge of how judges typically rule.
Steps for Self-Defense:
- Understand the Charges: Research the charges and consequences.
- Prepare Your Case: Gather evidence, test results, and character witness statements.
- Learn the Legal Process: Familiarize with court procedures and presenting evidence.
- Practice Statements: Prepare clear, concise, and respectful statements for the judge.
10 ----------------------------------------------
A pro bono attorney is better than a public defender
A pro bono attorney generally offers a higher level of personalized attention than a public defender because:
1. Case Focus: Pro bono attorneys typically handle fewer cases at a time, allowing them to devote more attention and time to each individual case, while public defenders often juggle many clients due to high caseloads.
2. Expertise: Pro bono attorneys can specialize in specific areas of law, giving them tailored knowledge of the case type (e.g., criminal, drug violations). Public defenders usually have broad knowledge but may not specialize in one area due to their varied caseloads.
3. Advocacy: Since pro bono attorneys are not tied to a public office or caseload restrictions, they might be more inclined to push harder for your case and thoroughly explore all possible defense strategies.
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I know I haven't responded to most people in this thread. I posted before work and I'm processing everything, even the jokes. I've been getting my ass kicked by this probation, this isn't the first time I've run into problems doing everything I thought was, and turned out to be right. Again, thank you.
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Best of luck to you mate. The system is bullshit
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[ + ] Sector2
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All that, and then they canceled the war while I was still in AIT. Got sent to the east German border instead.
[ + ] con77
[ - ] con77 2 points 3 monthsJan 26, 2025 12:41:17 ago (+2/-0)
The most common assignment back then was shoveling sand on the beach for the Suncoast Seabird Sanctuary. Im thinking fuck that.
I had read their material and it said I could find my own public service. or whatever they called it. I brought this up and she said "I highly doubt anything you propose would get approved". I had long hair!
I went to the Largo Public Library and they were glad to have me! Bitch approved it too!
WHAT I DIDNT KNOW WAS THAT THE LIBRARY WAS A HUGE FAG PICKUP SPOT AT THE TIME. I HAD THOSE WEIRD BASTARDS FOLLOWING ME AROUND THE LIBRARY LIKE I WAS THE ICE CREAM TRUCK!
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Move the fuck out of that DEI shithole full of fucking lazy ass piece of shit niggers and beaners who are too fucking stupid to do their jobs like test your pee.
And quit being a dumbass and playing their revenue game of drinking and driving, that's why you got married, so she can drive your dumbass.
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[ + ] Sector2
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Document this with whatever paperwork you can put together. Same for any medications you may have taken that are "commonly or legally" acknowledged to cause false positives.
With a place where their tests are legally admissible in court? This would be the perfect time for your lawyer to file paperwork highlighting the delayed notice of the failed test, and asking for a court date to address it instead of issuing a bench warrant.
If this doesn't blow up, how much longer is your probation?
[ + ] Anus_Expander
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[ + ] con77
[ - ] con77 0 points 3 monthsJan 26, 2025 12:24:27 ago (+0/-0)
sorry to hear it. good luck. I know youre not religious but Ill pray for you.
at least the foreign aid to israel will remain uninterrupted!
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
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