Remember if a new car has a 7-year warranty that's exactly how long you can expect it to last before it is basically unfixable. This means you must amortize that new car cost over a mere 7 years and not 20 or 30 like cars from the 70s.
This fact alone means your cost of transportation for the machine itself not including gas oil or any other kind of maintenance immediately goes up to at least $5,000 a year or about $400 a month whereas even adjusted for inflation a 1970s style car which could be expected to run for 20 or 30 years or even 50 would have an actual vehicle cost inflation adjusted of less than $50 a month.
This is why you should buy any used car you can that was built before the 1990s when they started putting too many computers in them and they become unrepairable
Many older cars are unrepairable because of OEM part availability. Aftermarket parts are more often than not of lower quality and don't last nearly as long.
There is some truth to your overly broad statement, though. Modern cars are way too complex and there's a chip in everything.
I've been repairing luxury imports part time recently. When something goes wrong, the car becomes a brick due to all the computers and electronic control. To even move a dead Mercedes (even if it has electrical power), you have to bypass the electronic shift (sometimes by crawling under the car, removing panels, and turning bolts), and sometimes you even have to manually override the electronic parking brake using a special tool inserted into the spare tire holder.
Even basic maintenance like changing the starter is a nightmare that involves unbolting the engine cradle, loosening motor mounts, disconnecting the steering linkage, removing suspension components, and then using a long pry-bar to shift the motor a couple inches to squeeze the starter out through a small gap in the wheel well.
They have dual-battery setups in some with an engine battery and a cabin battery joined together by a computerized distribution black box. That box decides if it wants to let you use one of the batteries, and putting in a new battery sometimes requires telling that box it's ok to accept the new battery. If both batteries go dead, you might have to re-teach the car how to be a car. It's stupid.
I you drive a car like a fuckhead you can kill it in 10 minutes and if you drive it like tou want to keep it ,it will last for years.
Ive only ever bought 1 new car and that was a diesel Ranger in 2007 and it is still driving without a single issue . I have towed a jayco around australia twice and done cape york , gibb river and great central road .
This car is nearly 18 years old and although its got scratches ,chips and dents its mechanicals are A+ . I cant justify buying a new car and im pretty sure i can get another 5 years out of this one .
Its more about how you drive and maintain a car , that being said they arent built as sturdy today and smaller engines that develop more power will never last as rpm is wear in action as each stroke is wearing an engine.
It depends as well on the make/model/brand/year/chinese slave-child that made it.
After, IIRC, about 2006~2009 most cars started to get real bad. Masses of cludged-in cheap(and fiery!) electronics, bad parts, worse designs, badly made and poorly transported showed up on the market and they haven't been getting any better. Depending on the above OFC.
I enjoy my 2006 wagon. It pulls my boat, my trash trailer, and I can fit my dog and my mountain bike in there. It's a basic manual with minimal electricals. Basically just a radio and power windows. I really wouldn't want to get something any later than that though.
My sister has a '22 or '23 car and that thing is all sorts of fucked. It keeps trying to adjust the brakes, wheel, and gas to keep her driving 'correctly' only to keep fucking things up. You end up fighting the car more than the traffic around it to keep it on the road. It never stops dinging, beeping, and doing it's own thing either, making for a wonderful distraction. God only knows what she'll have to do once that shit starts to fail. It started off wonky and it'll only get worse with time.
Of course a lot of that shit is new regulations. Like the EPA one that basically removed all small trucks. Simple cars may simply not be allowed any more. And the government/mega-corps are doing everything they can to get rid of older cars/trucks.
Fuckin' jews man. Can't even get a bare-bones basic machine anymore.
This fact alone means your cost of transportation for the machine itself not including gas oil or any other kind of maintenance immediately goes up to at least $5,000 a year or about $400 a month
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, do you?
[ - ] germ22 1 point 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 09:46:28 ago (+1/-0)
Cars in the 70 would not last near to 20 years. Expected life was 10 years at most, usually after 6 or 7 years the car was done. It was normal to get the engine rebuilt after 100k miles, they would rarely last longer. Modern cars can go over 160k miles easily and 200k miles with care is achievable.
[ - ] Cunty 1 point 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 07:42:58 ago (+1/-0)
I'm running a 2007 1.5dci, very well looked after by me , oil changes every 5to6k and suspension checked over by me every 3 months or so. Basic maintenance is all it has ever had, up to about 65+ mpg in the summer driven carefully. Been a fantastic car and have no thoughts of changing in near future.
SCORES of auto mechanics are leaving the repair trades out of frustration. There are lots of recent videos about this. Most cars made in the last 5-10 years are nearly impossible to repair. Non-availability of parts is a huge problem. SHIT quality parts are another. ACCESS to these parts is another. On some cars, you gotta take half the motor apart to swap the spark plugs. There are countless examples of automotive shit design. Keep your pre-2000 vehicles, niggers!
I selling all my CANbus cars, and so far couldn't be happier. Replaced a 2019 with a 1965. Next we have a 2006 and a 1992, all will be replaced with pre 1975 vehicles9 i don't even want electronic ignition anymore). I have had very few issues with replacement parts on the "65. The only issues I have had was a set of bad points out of the box but, I found a reliable brand, now have no issues, and I have heard from my hot rodding friends to test the hardness of cam shafts before installing new ones.
Now that isn't true in the least. Ford's come straight from the factory with critical design mistakes that render the car unusable before you finish your test drive. I picked up a 2015 Fusion with 12k milea on it and had to replace the long block and the flexplate twice now. Also had the injectors fail, the ac pump fail, as well as no fewer than 5 recall items including the brakes. Also one of my rotors is warped, still need to get it planed...
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 7 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 06:10:43 ago (+7/-0)
What kind of boomer tier claim is this?
[ + ] hylo
[ - ] hylo 5 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 10:16:36 ago (+5/-0)
There is some truth to your overly broad statement, though. Modern cars are way too complex and there's a chip in everything.
[ + ] oyveyo
[ - ] oyveyo 3 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 14:02:12 ago (+3/-0)
Even basic maintenance like changing the starter is a nightmare that involves unbolting the engine cradle, loosening motor mounts, disconnecting the steering linkage, removing suspension components, and then using a long pry-bar to shift the motor a couple inches to squeeze the starter out through a small gap in the wheel well.
They have dual-battery setups in some with an engine battery and a cabin battery joined together by a computerized distribution black box. That box decides if it wants to let you use one of the batteries, and putting in a new battery sometimes requires telling that box it's ok to accept the new battery. If both batteries go dead, you might have to re-teach the car how to be a car. It's stupid.
[ + ] Imnotajoo
[ - ] Imnotajoo 3 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 06:04:27 ago (+4/-1)
Ive only ever bought 1 new car and that was a diesel Ranger in 2007 and it is still driving without a single issue . I have towed a jayco around australia twice and done cape york , gibb river and great central road .
This car is nearly 18 years old and although its got scratches ,chips and dents its mechanicals are A+ . I cant justify buying a new car and im pretty sure i can get another 5 years out of this one .
Its more about how you drive and maintain a car , that being said they arent built as sturdy today and smaller engines that develop more power will never last as rpm is wear in action as each stroke is wearing an engine.
Get a diesel lower rpm and its self lubricating .
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 13:50:37 ago (+0/-0)
After, IIRC, about 2006~2009 most cars started to get real bad. Masses of cludged-in cheap(and fiery!) electronics, bad parts, worse designs, badly made and poorly transported showed up on the market and they haven't been getting any better. Depending on the above OFC.
I enjoy my 2006 wagon. It pulls my boat, my trash trailer, and I can fit my dog and my mountain bike in there. It's a basic manual with minimal electricals. Basically just a radio and power windows. I really wouldn't want to get something any later than that though.
My sister has a '22 or '23 car and that thing is all sorts of fucked. It keeps trying to adjust the brakes, wheel, and gas to keep her driving 'correctly' only to keep fucking things up. You end up fighting the car more than the traffic around it to keep it on the road. It never stops dinging, beeping, and doing it's own thing either, making for a wonderful distraction. God only knows what she'll have to do once that shit starts to fail. It started off wonky and it'll only get worse with time.
Of course a lot of that shit is new regulations. Like the EPA one that basically removed all small trucks. Simple cars may simply not be allowed any more. And the government/mega-corps are doing everything they can to get rid of older cars/trucks.
Fuckin' jews man. Can't even get a bare-bones basic machine anymore.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 2 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 08:04:58 ago (+2/-0)
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, do you?
[ + ] germ22
[ - ] germ22 1 point 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 09:46:28 ago (+1/-0)
Modern cars can go over 160k miles easily and 200k miles with care is achievable.
[ + ] Stonkmar
[ - ] Stonkmar 1 point 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 15:25:15 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Cunty
[ - ] Cunty 1 point 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 07:42:58 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 18:07:13 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Trope
[ - ] Trope 0 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 16:10:37 ago (+0/-0)
Part of me wants to buy an old shitty 2 door Jeep Wrangler but there is another desire to not have anything shitty sitting on my property.
[ + ] gardella
[ - ] gardella 0 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 14:29:19 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] SundayMatinee
[ - ] SundayMatinee 0 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 14:03:14 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] beece
[ - ] beece 0 points 4 monthsJan 23, 2025 09:48:35 ago (+0/-0)
Enjoy