Great question and my answer is working on it. I quit alcohol 2+ years ago after several failed attempts. Did not use aa or the church. Fuck everything about those two. I just decided I was sick and tired of waking up with hangovers. I'm still addicted to coffee. Planning to stop it for a New Years res. Wish me luck as I love a good cup of coffee with some french vanilla creamer. Anyway, whatever you're fighting good luck and never give up. You might fail once or twice or even a dozen times. Keep getting up and try again. That's how I did it.
Good luck. I used to consume obscene amounts of coffee and diet coke. And I drank alot of that fake creamer too. I weaned myself down and then switched to decaf coffee ( still has significant caff) and then to decaf green tea (has very little caff). I was tired for a few weeks. Wanted to take naps in the day. But it went away. Im in a much better mood in the morning now. Im not more tired on average. I experience less highs and lows. It was a great decision to quit caffeine — I feel there was a big emotional payoff for me. The consequences of caffeine addiction are totally minimized. Its an insidious drug. Its not harmless.
I feel like drinking years of coffee has left my brain permanently altered somehow, because I'm unable to function on the same intellectual level without it.
[ - ] DoughGoy 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 23:59:19 ago (+1/-0)
What did it feel like before you would drink? For instance, say you woke up with a hangover and said you weren't gonna drink again, how would you start feeling that would make you say, "fuck it, I'm getting drunk"? Was it just boredom or actual bad physical pain?
Yeah I was a binge drinker and at about age 32 started suffering dreadful hangovers .. thus I would stay away from alcohol for six weeks at a time then start off again .. on days one, two and three I would be quaffing all day, on the fourth day I would be so sick I couldn't get out of bed.
This is what happened on the last binge .. I hit the bars and in Paul Simon's words "a friend could not be found," I became abusive, the police came and into the drunk's tank I went. That was the Thursday night, on Friday I stayed in bed sick as a dog all day.
Then on Saturday I went to take a drink of water from the jug beside the bed there were two snakes swimming around in it .. I was in Delirium Tremens .. that was it for drinking, it was in 1982 and I have never been affected by alcohol since .. I do coffee sometimes but no tobacco or sugar, I began smoking marijuana when I went to Vietnam in 1969 and haven't stopped .. porn makes me sick.
Learned early about alcohol so no problem. 2years of coke and crystal cranko. Went into the woods for two weeks and that was the end of that. Was 19 20 years old. You have to change your whole circle of friends. Some people I know do the MMP,(marijuana maintenance program) for the booze and drugs. Seems to work for some and half of them don't smoke anymore.
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 17:45:55 ago (+1/-0)
Being sober means different things to different people. However, one of the main goals in sobriety is to live life without the assistance of any substance in the body. (MMP)
Someone should tell them that no substances in the body equals instant death.
I don’t drink or use any psychoactive drugs like caffeine or weed or pills. I quit that shit years ago and I quit nicotine too. I never was very into porn. I haven’t looked at it in years (except when one of you pervs sends it to me.) Sometimes I use honey in my (decaf) tea. I don’t really eat sugary foods like pastries or ice cream. Im still addicted to watching jew movies and also swearing. Maybe Ill be able to give those up one day.
[ - ] TALKLOL 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 21:41:09 ago (+1/-0)*
I don't do anything. I hung out with so many people that did all these things when I was younger and watched from the outside. I look back and see now what a waste of life, time, money, health it all is. And now I see these people and look at where they are in life and see what they've done. I am very, very glad I never got into all that. My parents taught me well. I see how society is completely degraded because of the normalization of drugs. The whole "weed is cool" culture is just pathetic. I just have to roll my eyes. The sorriest, laziest people I work with are the same ones who do this crap. Even in my personal life I completely avoid anyone who does this stuff and unfortunately so many people are doing these things that I avoid EVERYONE and have no friends. I'm better off for it though. People that do this stuff are just plain losers. They have lost in life. I know that's a blanket statement and there are exceptions but this is my experience. Edit: Just to add, you have to be very careful of what you put into your body. You may have done something 1000 times but that next time can ruin your life health wise and spend the rest of your life in pain, discomfort, lower quality of life, and in regret.
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:15:20 ago (+1/-0)
"Best Comment"
I guess I do - yep, goody-two-shoes. I suggest the secret is to love yourself. If you do, you won't poison your body with substances. After all, your body is trying to keep you alive.
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:12:05 ago (+1/-0)
Many years ago my schoolteacher Uncle said that to me and my mate (two pimply teenagers). He said 95% of males masturbate and I thought, somewhat embarrassed: "good, I can fall into the 5%" and he went on: "and the other 5% are liars".
[ - ] germ22 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 18:02:42 ago (+1/-0)
Never drank alcohol once (it tasted disgusting), do not do any drugs (no idea how to get them and have no desire to find out or do drugs), never smoked (why the hell would I want to inhale smoke on purpose), never drank coffee (biter liquid that look like mud). Sugar, I do like my sugars every now and then, but can go sugar free if I want to. It comes easy to me to resist peer pressure. Like I assume most here on voat, I think for my self.
[ - ] lolxd 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:19:27 ago (+3/-2)
Addiction: a compulsive, chronic, physiological or psychological need for a habit-forming substance, behavior, or activity having harmful physical, psychological, or social effects and typically causing well-defined symptoms (such as anxiety, irritability, tremors, or nausea) upon withdrawal or abstinence : the state of being addicted
Have you tried understanding the meaning of addiction?
Anything you can sit down and ignore at will without being compulsively needing it isn't an addiction. It's a habit. What constitutes a bad habit is also subjective.
Now on topic, I've genuinely never felt addicted to anything in my life. How you manage that is genuinely an individual journey.
I'd say just go cold turkey and quit. You shouldn't do anything important in life half-assed. And if you have to settle for only going halfway on things, are you even trying?
Habit: a routine of behavior that is repeated regularly and tends to occur subconsciously.
Agreed. I've had habits (alcohol) that were basically just my routine, and was able to end or modify it upon reflection. I didn't break an addiction, I became conscious of an excessive habit and stopped or modified it.
I'm two years sober. I drink 1/2 cup of coffee, black. Used to smoke, quit 20+ years ago. Spend lots of time working out, learning an instrument, working, and volunteering. Finding if i help others, it takes me out of myself. Finding I'm more in tune with "life" good, bad, or in different. Getting/staying sober does not mean you don't have problems, you have a different mindset to deal with them. Have i thought about drinking? Yes, i have. Then i think about how much i feel like shit if i do.
You basically need to find a healthy replacement. Cold plunging will give you the dopemine hit you want without the letdown. It is a "healthy" alternative.
Fill up your tub with cold water and take a bath for 15 minutes. Do not add any hot water. You will feel great. My best was 25 min at 45°. I would need to get in shape to do that again. Good for cardio, gets rid of sickness, burn fat, raises t, huge hit of dopemine... It really can't be beat. Start with a bath though.
I am completely substance free and have been my whole life. But I watch a lot of porn. Like a lot.
I spent a lot of my life struggling with it.. but now I've embraced it. Modern neo-puritanism is a mistake. I just want to live in a society where everyone is every kind of realist. Race-realist, political-realist (the government is not your friend), gender realist, and sex realist. It's hard to find any group of people who have taken any more than two red-pills when there are so many others to take. Every group still has childish narratives about one subject or another bouncing through the collective mind. If it's not "all people are biologically equal" then it's "sex is scary and society is suddenly getting perverted, and that's bad" when the reality is we are glowingly puritan, tits were in like every movie back in the day and our society used to have full fledged brothels in your parents' lifetime. It just feels like things are getting overly sexual because that's what the neo-puritan mass-psychosis victim sees.
I'm for ending all mass-psychoses. That includes bs race views that don't match reality, and failure to embrace human-sexuality as something that isn't scary and honestly you should be embarrassed if you think it is.
Humanity is supposed to be pervy you retards. That's what humanity is. Either you embrace humanity or you don't.
It's also normal that I would take interest. 96% of men watch porn. So I'm not on any more lonely a road that pretty much the whole rest of the population. This also includes 96% of people here. The only difference is I'm not going through some self-abusive struggle failing to come to terms with something society is simultaneously telling me is weird and unhealthy and shoving down my throat at the same time. This disconnection from reality that group psychology imposes on its members is unhealthy.
The reality is that you and everyone else looks at porn. But society tells you you need to put on a face that you don't. What did Jesus tell us about putting up false fronts? I've just come to terms with how unhelthy it is for society to do one thing and say it's doing another.
Is English your first language? That is the exact opposite of what I directly stated. We are not perfect, but being an adult in navigating your way through life, flaws and all and not being ruled by your vices. If you see candy in the supermarket, do you have to buy them, or can you act like a responsible adult and say, nah I don't want to be a fat cunt today?
[ + ] ProudRebel
[ - ] ProudRebel 8 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:01:40 ago (+9/-1)
I'm still addicted to coffee. Planning to stop it for a New Years res. Wish me luck as I love a good cup of coffee with some french vanilla creamer. Anyway, whatever you're fighting good luck and never give up. You might fail once or twice or even a dozen times. Keep getting up and try again. That's how I did it.
[ + ] xmasskull
[ - ] xmasskull 5 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:43:20 ago (+6/-1)
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 07:11:52 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 2 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:44:50 ago (+2/-0)
That is exactly the way it needs to happen. If you don't want to remain sober, then it isn't going to happen for any meaningful period of time.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:38:01 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 00:07:46 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] hylo 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 06:33:12 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] DoughGoy 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 23:59:19 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 6 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:00:09 ago (+6/-0)
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[ - ] Special_Prosecutor 4 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 20:01:42 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] kammmmak
[ - ] kammmmak 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 23:44:15 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] JudyStroyer 2 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 00:20:09 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] albatrosv15
[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 01:32:09 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] Indoctrinated_USA
[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 2 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 04:31:46 ago (+2/-0)
To say nothing of it's food and pharmaceuticals.
That question is shit.
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 05:04:48 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 2 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 06:24:27 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 13:20:24 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MartinTimothy
[ - ] MartinTimothy 3 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 18:26:18 ago (+3/-0)*
This is what happened on the last binge .. I hit the bars and in Paul Simon's words "a friend could not be found," I became abusive, the police came and into the drunk's tank I went. That was the Thursday night, on Friday I stayed in bed sick as a dog all day.
Then on Saturday I went to take a drink of water from the jug beside the bed there were two snakes swimming around in it .. I was in Delirium Tremens .. that was it for drinking, it was in 1982 and I have never been affected by alcohol since .. I do coffee sometimes but no tobacco or sugar, I began smoking marijuana when I went to Vietnam in 1969 and haven't stopped .. porn makes me sick.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:41:10 ago (+1/-0)
Wow. Thats crazy. I didn’t drink enough to have the DTs but it was a real problem. Glad you quit.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 3 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:15:41 ago (+4/-1)
I have a bottle of Jagermeister in my freezer that just sits there taking up space.
I love Jagermeister, but I just don't care to touch it.
Now, give that to @Love240's feather nigger's ass and it's not lasting more than a few hours.
The difference is, the Volk used alcohol to purify drinking water for thousands of years, and the alcoholics all got weeded out of the gene pool.
Meanwhile, @Love240's genes have never encountered alcohol, so he has no genetic defense against it.
[ + ] albatrosv15
[ - ] albatrosv15 2 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 01:26:33 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Looneyskiprooney
[ - ] Looneyskiprooney 2 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 17:24:32 ago (+2/-0)*
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 17:45:55 ago (+1/-0)
Someone should tell them that no substances in the body equals instant death.
[ + ] oyveyo
[ - ] oyveyo 2 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:45:49 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 2 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 18:50:32 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 00:06:11 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:47:44 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:18:52 ago (+1/-0)
It was fueled by straight hatred
[ + ] TALKLOL
[ - ] TALKLOL 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 21:41:09 ago (+1/-0)*
Edit: Just to add, you have to be very careful of what you put into your body. You may have done something 1000 times but that next time can ruin your life health wise and spend the rest of your life in pain, discomfort, lower quality of life, and in regret.
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 21:57:40 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 0 points 4 monthsJan 1, 2025 17:21:54 ago (+0/-0)
(only temporarily on my old account, due to clicking a voat link. Am Sector2 now.)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:15:20 ago (+1/-0)
I guess I do - yep, goody-two-shoes. I suggest the secret is to love yourself. If you do, you won't poison your body with substances. After all, your body is trying to keep you alive.
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 20:05:46 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 21:42:15 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] SirNiggsalot
[ - ] SirNiggsalot 3 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:14:04 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 18:56:35 ago (+1/-0)
Those that do
Those that lie
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:12:05 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] JudyStroyer
[ - ] JudyStroyer 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 08:44:39 ago (+1/-0)
“Now you boys put yout pants back on.”
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 18:43:27 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:12:55 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 05:34:15 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] JudyStroyer
[ - ] JudyStroyer 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 08:45:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:07:38 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:10:45 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 19:13:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] germ22
[ - ] germ22 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 18:02:42 ago (+1/-0)
It comes easy to me to resist peer pressure. Like I assume most here on voat, I think for my self.
[ + ] lolxd
[ - ] lolxd 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:19:27 ago (+3/-2)
Have you tried understanding the meaning of addiction?
Anything you can sit down and ignore at will without being compulsively needing it isn't an addiction. It's a habit. What constitutes a bad habit is also subjective.
Now on topic, I've genuinely never felt addicted to anything in my life. How you manage that is genuinely an individual journey.
I'd say just go cold turkey and quit. You shouldn't do anything important in life half-assed. And if you have to settle for only going halfway on things, are you even trying?
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 3 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 17:39:37 ago (+3/-0)
Agreed. I've had habits (alcohol) that were basically just my routine, and was able to end or modify it upon reflection. I didn't break an addiction, I became conscious of an excessive habit and stopped or modified it.
[ + ] boekanier
[ - ] boekanier 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 05:08:17 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:03:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 17:51:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 20:08:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 07:08:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 07:15:18 ago (+0/-0)
(I don't stay sober, coffee and cannabis is good).
So, tea and coffee are on the list, but are the most socially acceptable options.
I'm in the camp of "if it grows from dirt, should be alright to consume"...some choose to be far more restrictive.
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 08:28:50 ago (+0/-0)
everything you consume alters self.
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:50:28 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:27:18 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:30:27 ago (+0/-0)
Do not add any hot water. You will feel great. My best was 25 min at 45°. I would need to get in shape to do that again. Good for cardio, gets rid of sickness, burn fat, raises t, huge hit of dopemine... It really can't be beat. Start with a bath though.
[ + ] JudyStroyer
[ - ] JudyStroyer 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 08:42:21 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 11:01:40 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 4 monthsDec 24, 2024 08:20:25 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] 2Drunk
[ - ] 2Drunk 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 16:39:12 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 -1 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:21:57 ago (+0/-1)
I spent a lot of my life struggling with it.. but now I've embraced it. Modern neo-puritanism is a mistake. I just want to live in a society where everyone is every kind of realist. Race-realist, political-realist (the government is not your friend), gender realist, and sex realist. It's hard to find any group of people who have taken any more than two red-pills when there are so many others to take. Every group still has childish narratives about one subject or another bouncing through the collective mind. If it's not "all people are biologically equal" then it's "sex is scary and society is suddenly getting perverted, and that's bad" when the reality is we are glowingly puritan, tits were in like every movie back in the day and our society used to have full fledged brothels in your parents' lifetime. It just feels like things are getting overly sexual because that's what the neo-puritan mass-psychosis victim sees.
I'm for ending all mass-psychoses. That includes bs race views that don't match reality, and failure to embrace human-sexuality as something that isn't scary and honestly you should be embarrassed if you think it is.
Humanity is supposed to be pervy you retards. That's what humanity is. Either you embrace humanity or you don't.
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:35:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 04:55:54 ago (+0/-0)
The reality is that you and everyone else looks at porn. But society tells you you need to put on a face that you don't. What did Jesus tell us about putting up false fronts? I've just come to terms with how unhelthy it is for society to do one thing and say it's doing another.
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 07:07:38 ago (+1/-0)
great.
why wouldn't you treat your mind in the same manner?
society doesn't give one fuck about how you feel things should be.
[ + ] drhitler
[ - ] drhitler -1 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 20:29:40 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug -2 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 20:16:15 ago (+0/-2)
When I read these posts, I have a really hard time respecting users on this forum, as you come across as broken, absolutist and infantile.
[ + ] AnmanIndustries
[ - ] AnmanIndustries 1 point 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 05:53:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 07:47:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 4 monthsDec 22, 2024 22:33:12 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 4 monthsDec 23, 2024 01:44:19 ago (+0/-0)