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How The USA Kept Provoking Russia With Repeated Lies: Which Got Us the Ukraine War.

submitted by beece to War 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 09:38:05 ago (+12/-1)     (mises.org)

https://mises.org/mises-wire/provoked-long-train-abuses-culminated-ukraine-war



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[ - ] con77 5 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 09:46:51 ago (+5/-0)

I keep telling people we're the bad guys in this situation and people get angry at me.

[ - ] glooper 2 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 14:31:02 ago (+2/-0)*

for all you "russian propaganda" fags: Go look up the:


UN security council meeting, march 11th, 2020.

(if you can still find it, lots have been scrubbed already in the west world)

Russia laid it all out, brought the receipts for the world to see. The US and the biden/obama admin was 110% in the wrong and put the entire world at risk. Half the council voted to censure the US and UK. Not many of you ass gobblers even know this meeting took place.

The US ambassador had to publicly apologize to the world on behalf of the US and was quickly fired three days later.


Don't be a neo-fag who shouts: "russia talking points" and go actually research what the fuck you are talking about, or you are just the propaganda mouthpiece. You really look like fools, to those who actually pay attention.


[ - ] dassar 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 14:39:57 ago (+0/-0)

IKR, go tell that to blueeyedmasterbaiter - he's totally down with everything slightly pro-Russian aor Anti/ West, US as 'muh russia bot propaganda'.

[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 19:08:47 ago (+0/-0)

The only record from 11 Mar 20 is about Africa.

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n20/064/32/pdf/n2006432.pdf

[ - ] JustALover 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 10:09:27 ago (+0/-0)

Let's not get too carried away here. It's not the US and Russia.

It's the western globalists vs the eastern globalists. They're both still globalists.

[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 1 point 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 15:29:49 ago (+1/-0)*

I think what you're trying to refer to is 'international monied jewish interests'.
But, despite that - in this case the aggressor was NATO, as an extension of US foreign policy.
Sometimes there really are bad guys and since we lost that war, we've become one.

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 13:13:16 ago (+0/-0)

Glenn Greenwald did a great interview with Horton.


https://rumble.com/v5s32zw-system-update-show-371.html

[ - ] HelenHighwater 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 17:46:12 ago (+0/-0)

"Not one inch"

[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 11:00:25 ago (+0/-1)

So, he's repeating kremlin propaganda.

[ - ] FreeinTX 3 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 13:14:28 ago (+3/-0)

And using well publicized documents, both governmental and organizational, to suppprt the claims.

Turns out, "propaganda" can be the absolute truth.

[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 13:21:46 ago (+0/-1)

It's the truth that the possibility of Ukraine joining nato is the reason for invasion? But they were ok with Estonia, Latvia, Finland and Poland joining? Nato borders are the only peaceful borders with Russia

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 13:27:10 ago (+1/-0)

Nigger, Ukraine joining NATO was the red line. Ffs, go listen to Putin fucking explain it. Even the leadership in NATO, Merkel, Trudeau, Macron, Obama, and Boris Johnson acknowledged, long before the incursion, that Ukraine joining NATO would cause a war.

Russia is under no obligation to consider the feelings and pocketbooks of the Ukrainian politicians when determining what's best for Russian sovereignty. No different than the US or Israel.

[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 13:37:55 ago (+0/-1)

You're forgetting that they didn't even apply to join nato. Funny how nato countries are the only ones safe from Russia on their western border. Congratulations Putin, NATO is stronger than every now, everyone sees why they have no choice but to join

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 14:39:45 ago (+0/-0)*

Nigger, They did apply to join NATO and several members within the Biden Administration and Johnson Administration were and still are openly and publicly calling for them to apply to join NATO or encouraging their membership in NATO both before and after the incursion and up until this month.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-says-ukraine-applying-nato-membership-2022-09-30/

It's not gonna happen. Cry harder, faggot.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/apr/14/ask-politifact-whats-ukraines-history-trying-join-/

NATO countries on Russia's border are NOT safer under NATO. Russia was never threatening to invade Finland, but now Russia has nukes and military garrisons on the Finnish border because they joined NATO and now Finland owes NATO 2% of their GPD every year for the privilege of having those Russian military there.

[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 16:44:39 ago (+0/-0)

That nato application was after the invasion dipshit. As for NATO countries not being safer, this is non nato Ukraine:

https://img.pravda.com/images/doc/c/0/c0c40b2-toretsk-1300_690x387.jpg

Yeah, looks far safer than Finland.

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 4 monthsDec 14, 2024 09:27:59 ago (+0/-0)

It's not Non-NATO Ukraine. It's Trynabe NATO Ukraine. If they promise to not join NATO and stop attacking Russian positions, the fighting would stop.

[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 4 monthsDec 14, 2024 12:23:27 ago (+0/-0)

Imagine trying to justify an invasion of the country resulting in over a million casualties because the might join an organisation that already lines the border. Funny how Russia just happened to annex the most strategically important part of Ukraine followed by the land link between Russia and that strategic location. Amazing how that happened, but that was just a coincidence, definitely not the reason for the invasion 😂

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 4 monthsDec 14, 2024 12:52:40 ago (+0/-0)

Nigger, they were actively trying to join NATO. Who the fuck are to trying to fool? And, again, just like the head of NATO said, himself, if Ukraine would agree to not join NATO, and stop attacking Russian positions, the fighting would stop.

The head of NATO openly stated that the incursion would have been prevented if they had just agreed to Putin's proposal to agree to not join NATO, and one month after the incursion, had they agreed to not join NATO, the donbass would still be a part of Ukraine.

You're trying to rewrite history and doing it in the faggy- est way imaginable.
Continue thread

[ - ] dassar 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 14:41:51 ago (+0/-0)

You are an idiot - it's common knowledge they made diplomatic enquiries about membership - more than once..

[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 16:53:49 ago (+0/-0)

Why would a country bordering Russia want to join a defensive pact? Oh yes, because this:
https://img.pravda.com/images/doc/c/0/c0c40b2-toretsk-1300_690x387.jpg

[ - ] dassar 0 points 4 monthsDec 13, 2024 20:32:37 ago (+0/-0)

Keep coping kaifeng.