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[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 4 monthsDec 9, 2024 08:26:11 ago (+0/-0)

So why DID SDA change their name? I'm not watching your stupid video to find out.

[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 4 monthsDec 9, 2024 15:26:55 ago (+0/-0)

Not my vid, but I think that the claim is that the ‘Adventist church’ title is replacing the Seventh Day Adventist church’ title, although as you point out there is still clearly use of the SDA title.

“Why did the SDA church change their name from “Seventh-Day Adventist” to just plain “Adventist” recently? It’s because, those running the SDA church know Sunday laws are coming very soon which will make it illegal to keep God’s law.”
Why did SDA Church change their Name? | Presents of God ministry BLOG
https://nicholaspogm.blog/2024/12/02/why-did-sda-church-change-their-name/

“The Adventist Church has a representative form of government. This means church members have the ultimate say in who leads the church. Adventist members get together and vote for their representatives at the local, regional and global level.”
Governance - General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists
https://gc.adventist.org/about-us/governance/

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 4 monthsDec 9, 2024 15:33:14 ago (+0/-0)

If that's the case, 1) they're wrong, and 2) it's absolutely ridiculous.

There is NO chance that Sunday laws will return in the US except very locally. It won't happen regionally, state-wide, and especially nationally. No one wants them, and most places worked hard to get rid of them.

Plus, no Christian is under any compulsion to follow the sabbath as proscribed in the jewish law. That is for jews, not Christians, and even jews don't follow it very well. The controversy over whether the sabbath should fall on a Saturday or a Sunday is just as ridiculous.

[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 4 monthsDec 10, 2024 07:44:55 ago (+0/-0)

Exodus 31:12-17
(12) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. (14) Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (15) Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
King James Version
The high regard that God gives to the seventh-day Sabbath is evident throughout Scripture. God began teaching Israel about the Sabbath even before He gave the Ten Commandments and made the covenant with Israel (see Exodus 16:14-30; 20:8-11). For forty years, Israel had a weekly lesson on which day God had set apart because no manna fell for them to gather on the seventh day—God had provided twice the amount the day before.
Not only was the Sabbath command in place before the Old Covenant was made, but God even made an additional, perpetual covenant just for the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-17). The Old Covenant—that temporary agreement between God and Israel—was made obsolete with the coming of the New Covenant, but the Sabbath exists outside of that agreement. In addition, notice God's promise at the core of the New Covenant: "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts" (Hebrews 8:10; 10:16; see Jeremiah 31:31-34). While an agreement may be temporary, God is intent on writing His laws permanently on our hearts—and the Sabbath is one of the most important.
Time and again, ancient Israel was subjugated because of Sabbath-breaking and idolatry (see, for example, Ezekiel 20). God gives no indication that the Sabbath is temporary, that He intended to change it later, or that He is ambivalent about His command. In fact, the prophecies specifically show that the Sabbath will be kept after Christ returns and establishes His Kingdom (Isaiah 66:22-23; Ezekiel 44:24; 45:17; 46:3).
The gospel writers also do not give any hint or suggestion that God's sanctification of the Sabbath would somehow be switched to the first day of the week. Jesus leaves no impression that the day of worship would change upon His death. Though He and the Pharisees were frequently at odds over the Sabbath, it is clear that the controversy was always over how the Sabbath should be kept, never if or when.
Jesus' teachings about the Sabbath are just as applicable for His followers today as the Beatitudes and the parables (Matthew 12:1-12; 24:20; Mark 2:23-28; 3:1-4; Luke 6:1-9; 13:10-16; 14:1-5; John 5:16-19; 7:21-24). He taught the liberating intent of the Sabbath—not the abolishment of it!—because Pharisaic tradition had turned the Sabbath into a burden rather than the "delight" that God intended (Isaiah 58:13-14). Not only did Jesus keep the Sabbath and teach others on it (Mark 1:21; 6:2; Luke 4:16), but after His death, the apostles and even Gentile believers also kept it (Acts 13:14-15, 42-44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; 20:7).
Thus, from creation through the Millennium—and including Christ's ministry and the New Covenant church—we see God's establishment and steadfast reinforcement of the seventh-day Sabbath. On top of this, there is no scriptural intimation that the day of Christ's death, resurrection, ascension, or any other activity would modify the blessedness, sanctification, and holiness that He had already given to the seventh day.
— David C. Grabbe
(Daily Verse and Comment for Exodus 31:12-17
https://www.theberean.org/index.cfm/main/default/id/10182/ver/KJV/exodus-31-12-17.htm)

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 4 monthsDec 10, 2024 11:49:29 ago (+0/-0)

I would be more impressed if you expressed that in your own words instead of doing a lazy cut and paste job. Trying to prove gentiles should use the jewish scriptures by quoting jewish scriptures is idiotic. It's like asking someone for a loan and giving them their own watch for collateral. But I should point out that the law ITSELF says only jews are required to observe it.

[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 4 monthsDec 10, 2024 14:47:08 ago (+0/-0)

My word is insignificant, the issue is the word of God.

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 4 monthsDec 10, 2024 15:24:39 ago (+0/-0)

But you used someone else's words to make your point. And the Hebrew scriptures are not the word of God, they are the work of jews.

[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 4 monthsDec 11, 2024 07:43:27 ago (+0/-0)

the Hebrew scriptures are not the word of God,

Says who?

Plus, no Christian is under any compulsion to follow the sabbath as proscribed in the jewish law. That is for jews, not Christians, and even jews don't follow it very well. The controversy over whether the sabbath should fall on a Saturday or a Sunday is just as ridiculous.

Sauce?

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 4 monthsDec 11, 2024 10:59:23 ago (+0/-0)

Says who?

I do. Plus, Christians in the first and second centuries didn't follow the Hebrew scriptures. It wasn't until much later by the Nicene council that they were forced into the Christian canon.

Sauce?

Paul. Read the book of Galatians.

[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 4 monthsDec 11, 2024 15:47:58 ago (+0/-0)

Christians in the first and second centuries didn't follow the Hebrew scriptures.

This is nonsense, but if it were true why would you follow their teachings rather than the word of God?


It wasn't until much later by the Nicene council that they were forced into the Christian canon.

When the events in the NT took place the scriptures they were referring to was the OT.
Jesus came in fulfilment of them, lived by them, quoted them, and advocated them.
Why would you give primacy to a bunch of hireling shepherds overturning the word of God centuries later?

Paul. Read the book of Galatians.

This is quite funny given your previous statement:

the Hebrew scriptures are not the word of God,

You decry the use of scripture by referring to scripture written by Paul, a Hebrew, who lived by, and quoted, and taught Hebrew scripture.

It may not be my words or your words or the words of ancient pagans, but this is a very good exposition of the relevant verses in Galatians if you are interested:

Galatians 4:9-10
(9) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? (10) Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
King James Version
The common, traditional explanation of Galatians 4:9-10 is that Paul is reprimanding the Galatians for returning to Old Testament observances that were a form of "bondage." Insisting that Paul taught that the Old Testament law was "done away" (Colossians 2:14), they conclude that Christians should not keep the days that God had commanded Israel to keep. In verse 10, Paul mentions observances of "days and months and seasons and years." Some contend that these observances refer to God's Sabbath and holy days commanded in the Old Testament. But this interpretation overlooks many foundational points.
Galatia was not a city but a province in Asia Minor. The church membership was undoubtedly composed mainly of Gentiles, and the males were physically uncircumcised (Galatians 5:2; 6:12-13). In looking at Paul's initial dealings with these people, we find that they had a history of worshiping pagan deities. In Lystra, a city in Galatia, God healed a crippled man through Paul (Acts 14:8-18). The people of the area were so astonished at this miracle that they supposed Barnabas and Paul, whom they called Zeus and Hermes (verse 12), to be pagan gods! They wanted to sacrifice to them, and would have, if the apostles had not stopped them (verses 13-18). This shows that the people in Galatia were generally superstitious and worshiped pagan deities.
The major theme of the Galatian epistle is to put them "back on the track" because someone had been teaching "a different gospel," a perversion of the gospel of Christ (Galatians 1:6-7). The Galatians had derailed on their understanding of how sinners are justified. False teachers in Galatia taught that one was justified by doing physical works of some kind. The majority of evidence indicates that the false teachers were teaching a blend of Judaism and Gnosticism. The philosophy of Gnosticism taught that everything physical was evil, and that people could attain a higher spiritual understanding through effort. It was the type of philosophy that its adherents thought could be used to enhance or improve anyone's religion. In Paul's letter to the Colossians, we read of this same philosophy having an influence on the church there. It was characterized by strict legalism, a "taste not, touch not" attitude, neglect of the body, worship of angels, and a false humility (Colossians 2:18-23).
What, then, were the "days, months, seasons and years" that Paul criticizes the Galatians for observing? First, Paul nowhere in the entire letter mentions God's holy days. Second, the apostle would never refer to holy days that God instituted as "weak and beggarly elements." He honored and revered God's law (Romans 7:12, 14, 16). Besides, he taught the Corinthians to observe Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread (I Corinthians 5:7-8), and he kept the Sabbath and holy days himself (Acts 16:13; 18:21; 20:6; I Corinthians 16:8).
When the scriptures in question are put into context, the explanation of what these days were becomes clear. In Galatians 4:1-5, Paul draws an analogy in which he likens the Jew to a child who is waiting to come into an inheritance and the Gentile to a slave in the same household. He explains how, before the coming of Christ, the spiritual state of the Jew was no different from the Gentile because neither had had their sins forgiven nor had they received God's Spirit. Prior to the coming of Christ, both Jews and Gentiles were "in bondage under the elements of the world" (verse 3).
The word "elements" is the Greek stoicheion, which means any first thing or principle. "In bondage under the elements of the world" refers to the fact that the unconverted mind is subject to the influence of Satan and his demons, the rulers of this world and the authors of all idolatrous worship. Satan and his demons are the origin, the underlying cause, of the evil ways of this world, and all unconverted humans are under their sway. "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be" (Romans 8:7). Paul is saying that both Jews and Gentiles had been in bondage to sin.
In Galatians 4:8, Paul brings up the subject of the idolatry and paganism that they had participated in before their conversion. "But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods." This obviously refers to the worship of pagan deities (Acts 14:8-18). He is making it clear that God had called them out of that way of life. Paul continues this thought in verse 9, where his obvious concern was that the Galatians were returning to the way of life from which God had called them. The "weak and beggarly elements" were demon-inspired, idolatrous practices, NOT something God had commanded. "Elements" here is the same word, stoicheion, translated "elements" in verse 3. An extension of stoicheion can refer to the heavenly bodies that regulate the calendar and are associated with pagan festivals. The apostle condemns the practices and way of life that had been inspired by Satan and his demons, the principal cause of all the world's evil. Paul recognized that the Galatians had begun to return to their former slavish, sinful practices.
It is evident that the "days, months, seasons and years" Paul refers to in verse 10 were the pagan, idolatrous festivals and observances that the Galatian Gentiles had observed before their conversion. They could not possibly be God's holy days because these Gentiles had never observed them before being called, nor would Paul ever call them "weak and beggarly." Rather, they were turning back to their old, heathen way of life that included keeping various superstitious holidays connected to the worship of pagan deities.
Far from doing away with God's holy days, these scriptures show that we should not be observing "days, months, seasons and years" that have their roots in paganism, such as Christmas, Easter, Valentine's Day, Halloween, and any other days that originated from the worship of pagan gods.
— Earl L. Henn
(Daily Verse and Comment for Galatians 4:9-10
https://www.theberean.org/index.cfm/main/default/id/15/ver/KJV/galatians-4-9-10.htm )

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 4 monthsDec 9, 2024 08:34:27 ago (+0/-0)

I think you're wrong. Their web site, adventist.org, still has "Seventh-Day Adventist Church" at the top left corner of the page.

[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 4 monthsDec 9, 2024 15:26:23 ago (+0/-0)

Not my vid, but I think that the claim is that the ‘Adventist church’ title is replacing the Seventh Day Adventist church’ title, although as you point out there is still clearly use of the SDA title.

“Why did the SDA church change their name from “Seventh-Day Adventist” to just plain “Adventist” recently? It’s because, those running the SDA church know Sunday laws are coming very soon which will make it illegal to keep God’s law.”
Why did SDA Church change their Name? | Presents of God ministry BLOG
https://nicholaspogm.blog/2024/12/02/why-did-sda-church-change-their-name/

“The Adventist Church has a representative form of government. This means church members have the ultimate say in who leads the church. Adventist members get together and vote for their representatives at the local, regional and global level.”
Governance - General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists
https://gc.adventist.org/about-us/governance/