Exactly. Relapse can happen at any moment. Staying vigilant against that first drink is key to consistency. Anyone can get sober,... It's staying sober.
I don't drink or smoke(used to though). There are a heck of a lot of people who have smoked and drank their entire life and have lived a long time with zero issues. Every body is different. My dad smoked/drank forever and died never taking a single rx and living very healthy right to the end
[ - ] UncleDoug 1 point 4 monthsDec 7, 2024 22:03:57 ago (+1/-0)
Youth, virility and length of life are solely based on telomere length. There are environmental factors that can reduce life quality and life expectancy like diet, exercise and moderating vices.
[ - ] dassar 1 point 4 monthsDec 7, 2024 23:57:54 ago (+1/-0)
Can confirm. Father drank heavily 4-5 days a week, chain smoked since he was 14. Worked 10-hour days - rarely had a day of - can only ever remember less than one handful of days off. Passed at 83 in his sleep - no real major obvious health issues throughout his life. He Never took pharmaceutics, or saw a Dr until his 60's ( for regular checkups and finally convinced him to take blood pressure tablets).
Son, taking smokers as our reference point, they pay more via taxes on tobacco for health care quite simply because they tend to use more health care:
"Smokers are likely to cause a greater burden on the public health system than non-smokers and as such, under the benefit principle, should pay for this through the instrument of tobacco taxation." ([Australian] Department of the Treasury)
Now all that is a different issue to mine which is that smokers, despite paying more into the health care system via taxes, should go to the back of the hospital queue. And I say this because it would seem tobacco taxes don't cover smokers' health care costs. In 2022–23 Australia collected $12.7 billion in duty on tobacco. In 2015–16, tobacco smoking cost Australian society $19.2 billion in tangible costs like healthcare. This latter figure would probably be higher now due to increases in health care costs but it's possible the number of smokers has declined and so to has the health care costs they generated. Even if smokers as a section of society paid their way in the health care system due to the tax on tobacco, I'd still maintain they should go to the back of the hospital queue (if such a thing was possible) because health care is a scarce resource and non-smokers should not be required to wait for a hospital bed or other hospital treatment on account of a smoker being a person who has deliberately engaged in an act harmful to the person's health. Hospital is not for idiots.
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F..k boozers and smokers. They should be the last in the hospital queue.
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There are environmental factors that can reduce life quality and life expectancy like diet, exercise and moderating vices.
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Father drank heavily 4-5 days a week, chain smoked since he was 14. Worked 10-hour days - rarely had a day of - can only ever remember less than one handful of days off.
Passed at 83 in his sleep - no real major obvious health issues throughout his life.
He Never took pharmaceutics, or saw a Dr until his 60's ( for regular checkups and finally convinced him to take blood pressure tablets).
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Front of the line!
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I guarantee all he hears was “wa wa wa wa”
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"Smokers are likely to cause a greater burden on the public health system than non-smokers and as such, under the benefit principle, should pay for this through the instrument of tobacco taxation." ([Australian] Department of the Treasury)
https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-03/Document_57.pdf
Now all that is a different issue to mine which is that smokers, despite paying more into the health care system via taxes, should go to the back of the hospital queue. And I say this because it would seem tobacco taxes don't cover smokers' health care costs. In 2022–23 Australia collected $12.7 billion in duty on tobacco. In 2015–16, tobacco smoking cost Australian society $19.2 billion in tangible costs like healthcare. This latter figure would probably be higher now due to increases in health care costs but it's possible the number of smokers has declined and so to has the health care costs they generated. Even if smokers as a section of society paid their way in the health care system due to the tax on tobacco, I'd still maintain they should go to the back of the hospital queue (if such a thing was possible) because health care is a scarce resource and non-smokers should not be required to wait for a hospital bed or other hospital treatment on account of a smoker being a person who has deliberately engaged in an act harmful to the person's health. Hospital is not for idiots.
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