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[ - ] zongongo 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 14:55:32 ago (+1/-0)

I saw elsewhere that even if sleepy "pardons" preemptively, that doesn't absolve anyone of a charge and a trial. They can still be tried and convicted, with all the evidence exposed, as well as all the accomplices.

[ - ] xmasskull 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 13:58:00 ago (+1/-1)

President-elect,can resend any "Pardon's",then instruct the Justice dept. to take

appropriate action.

[ - ] Belrial -1 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 17:08:10 ago (+0/-1)

You don't really believe that do you? Once a president issues a pardon, that is the end of the argument. There are no "Backsies" in a presidential pardon.

[ - ] dulcima 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 13:08:54 ago (+1/-0)

It will be very quiet here in Upgoat if that happened because of the died suddenlys of shocked disbelief.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 3 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 13:06:02 ago (+3/-0)

How in the world do you pardon someone for a crime thry have not been found guilty of? Is biden and the democommies admiting to crimes before convicted?

[ - ] uvulectomy 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 14:54:56 ago (+1/-0)

Because nobody seems to understand how presidential pardons work. It's completely within their power to issue a pardon, even if there's no conviction or even an indictment. If they haven't been convicted yet, it removes that as a possibility, so it's a form of protection. If they haven't even been indicted, it makes an indictment worthless because they can't go to trial, since there's no possibility of conviction.

But issuing a blanket pardon like that IS a tacit admission of guilt, even if they can't be judicially punished for it. And if you accept a pardon, it also means you can't claim 5th Amendment protections with respect to those charges. So if there are others involved, then you can be compelled to testify against yourself (as there's no danger of conviction/incarceration at that point, making the 5th Amendment moot) if they want you to tell everything you know so they can convict your co-conspirators. And without the 5th Amendment protections, you can be held for failure to appear/contempt, or locked up for perjury if you lie.

[ - ] Belrial -1 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 17:06:43 ago (+0/-1)

The beauty, however, is that now that the pardonees are immune from convictions, they can be forced to testify and have no 5th amendment right, so they have to talk. Also if they committed concurrent state level crimes they can be got for that.

[ - ] fritz_maurentod 4 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 12:03:50 ago (+4/-0)

Just as he did with Hillary.

[ - ] ButtToucha9000 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 11:33:11 ago (+1/-1)

I hope he says "IM A TUGBOAT! TOOOT TOOOOOOT!!" and then spins around in circles

[ - ] 3desCBC 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 12:04:13 ago (+1/-1)

He'll likely do it if his kike handlers tell him to

[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 11:20:52 ago (+1/-0)

He won’t have time for any of that mess. He has israel to make great again.

[ - ] ModernGuilt 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 11:14:34 ago (+0/-0)

You think (((kushner))) would allow that? The pardons for Ukraine, not some stupid handgun

[ - ] ProudRebel 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 09:56:14 ago (+0/-0)

Presidential pardons are bullshit and needed to be completely eliminated.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 10:00:44 ago (+1/-0)

I don't know that I fully agree with that! But, I will say that they should be used sparingly and in a very rare occurrence!

[ - ] Bonanza 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 11:21:59 ago (+1/-0)

There definitely needs to be stricter guidelines on their use, that's for sure.

[ - ] BoozyB 2 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 09:51:18 ago (+2/-0)

Can treason be pardoned?

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 09:57:32 ago (+0/-0)*

Another fair point, the question is, how much influence do these morons have have with those that hide in the shadows?

[ - ] kammmmak 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 10:33:39 ago (+0/-0)

Depends on the ratio of evil

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 1 point 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 09:15:19 ago (+1/-0)

But that’s illegal. And jewish puppets don’t disobey what jews say.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 6 monthsDec 6, 2024 09:20:54 ago (+0/-0)

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