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The few times ive done it right, I liked the feeling of walking drunk out of a dark tavern into the bright sunlight. I know my ancestors did it better, although the ale did run out back then. Bless those probably wonderful white people

submitted by Dindu to WhiteBeauty 5 monthsNov 30, 2024 08:37:23 ago (+3/-0)     (WhiteBeauty)

I suppose the difference is they decided the meaning of life between them with no interference from Outsiders and they lived it everyday. We on the other hand are at the cusp of what appears to be the Answer (or weirdest war) so we want to stay crisp, some of us. Instead of settling our beliefs we are waiting for the final answer because we happen to be alive during what feels like the answer times. Or we drink. But not as good as they drank.

There is a lot of gray area in what I'm saying, beliefs, answers, drinkers, but I do feel our ancestors had some kind of luxury and it helped them get properly drunk in a proper setting, and the setting remained proper all the way out to the border of your country.


I know it's still out there but I haven't seen it in a long time, the great white civility and celebration of life.


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[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 4 points 5 monthsNov 30, 2024 09:04:11 ago (+4/-0)

I think that alcoholism is a symptom of our modern world. The more time I spend around people in recovery, the more I believe this is true. Conversely, I think that 12 step programs are a method of programming people to loosely fit within this fucked up modern society.

[ - ] Dindu [op] 2 points 5 monthsNov 30, 2024 09:18:28 ago (+2/-0)*

As a way of life alcoholism can have its place, but the dark fears that we carry in the modern world do not have a place. They are supposed to be dispersed amongst our countrymen evenly, not packed into the heads of every fatigued white man. Back then a tortured philosopher or a madman can pop up but most people can gather at The Tavern and sum up life in one saying, greeted with celebration instead of intellectual pushback.

Jovially drinking yourself to death is one thing, but carrying on in the state of drunken Darkness, feeling alone, that is just no good. And the 12-step program doesn't address that. It tries to solve the alcoholism and the soul but it doesn't try to solve Society.

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 1 point 5 monthsNov 30, 2024 09:45:05 ago (+1/-0)

But they don't address the soul, not really at least. That's fuckin apparent in their limp wristed application of step two and three, especially when it comes to atheists and agnostics of which I am neither. I loosely fit into their definition of those terms the way a shovel loosely fits into a hole. So I get these canned responses, but when I tell them it's bullshit all of a sudden I'm "constitutionally incapable of being honest with myself", which is also bullshit. This whole doctrine of believe what we say is true or you're lying to yourself pisses me off.

Another thing is this disease model of alcoholism. That's a fuckin sales tactic. It's not a fuckin disease, it's a symptom of a disease. That's like saying that breathing complications is a disease when someone has lung cancer. Modern medicine exists to treat symptoms rather than cute diseases. It's designed that way because there's no money in cure. Hell no AA doesn't work to cure, there'd be no old-timers. Can't have that, so alcohol is a sentient being waiting in the shadows to attack you when you're not expecting it.

[ - ] Dindu [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 30, 2024 09:52:36 ago (+0/-0)

Perry I like you more now that you're not agnostic or atheist. I love the ones who at the very least are trying to put words to something they absolutely Know. There's a sweeter spot than that but I have not found it yet.