Living off the land, producing your own food, having a small village where like minded people help with raising children. Basically, that's the dream for most people now but we are caught in a consumerism way of life.
These things do much for me in the line of quality of life, enjoyability of life, longevity of life, comfort, convenience, pursuit of happiness, on and on.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 17:32:19 ago (+1/-0)*
Yesterday, I woke up from sleeping on my foam cushioned bad assed mattress bed after sleeping like a baby for 6.5-7 hours. Enjoyed my breakfast of hot coffee that was waiting for me when I woke up, fresh squeezed orange juice, and yogurt.
I got dressed in my clothes, which included a pair of wolverine steel toed comfort fit boots. I took my blood pressure medication which keeps me from stroking out if my BP got too high, and shitpost here and on the fedi for about an hour.
I got into my F250 and went to work for 8 hours, working a job with good people and providing a necessary service to keep my city running as it should. During my lunch break at the local and decent burger joint, I played a few rounds of speed chess with some people on Lichess.
I got home and made dinner which included a nice waygu steak, organic asparagus, new potatoes, spicy buttered corn, and lemon jalapeño rice with beef bone broth.
After dinner, I enjoyed a nice rum and cola and played my Japanese made 1991 Ibenez guitar plugged into a fender tube amp, using Youcision guitar tutorial app to better my skills. Then, I watched a few videos on YouTube and Rumble on my large screen tv/monitor, shitposted some more here and on the fedi, and, before bed I planned out my flight home from when I pick up my airplane when it's new paint job is complete in the next week or so.
I took some melatonin, tryptophan, and Theanine, gave my wife a back message and passed out on the mattress that started my day.
Now, tell me all about how I'm basically living a peasants life but working harder for the privilege.
[ - ] taoV 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 19:40:39 ago (+1/-0)
Yesterday, I woke up from sleeping on my comfy goose down mattress after sleeping like a baby for 8 full hours. Enjoyed my breakfast of hot tea brewed quickly over last nights embers, with fresh fruit from the orchard by my cottage and eggs from my chickens.
I got dressed in my clothes made from all natural fibers. Being fit and active but not overburdened, I did not consume any herbals, though they are readily available from a local healer.
I brushed and saddled my horse and tended the fields for 6 hours with the other villagers, joking merrily while producing goods we’ll all trade for to support the village in common. A simple ploughman’s lunch kept us nourished and the work was made less tedious as we competed gently in our proficiency at it.
I got home and made dinner which included trout from the local river, plus herbs and greens from my garden and a few potatoes I picked in the field.
After dinner, I enjoyed a small beer and watched a traveling troupe enact some comedy in the village square, then taught my younger son how to craft a whistle. As the day ended we sat by the fire and I played a lute that had been my grandfather’s, who had taught me to play. I passed easily to sleep unaided, on my goose down bed, waking only for a while in the small hours to bother my wife at the task of making more children.
Now, tell me how my life is much worse than a man with many toys a thousand years from now?
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:06:15 ago (+0/-0)
Lol Noice, while her day mostly consisted of engaging with the other woman folk at the local market between some home chores and fetching water from the village well - from whence i returned from the day in field began haranguing me after dishing my favorite stew, allowance to see another traveling troupe of singers and dancers - she told me they were all the rage a village over.... and all the other woman folk were meeting at the stream with watered wine. Will things ever change, i wonder?.
I will add a few words to this heated discussion. Medieval peasant could have felt as wonderful as you do on his bed made from straw, he’d be a dapper fella in his new linen shirt that he got from a fair when his previous one, that he has worn for a decade, became worn out. He’d be as full after eating his meal as you were, he’d be as excited to play his fancy hurdy-gurdy or humble jaw harp. He’d have his irl shitposting by joking around with his buddies. You may not work harder for roughly the same feelings of content as a medieval peasant but, I think that our life is way less fulfilling. Spirituality, deep connection to extended family and neighbors, ability to sleep without pharma mafia and many other things made his life of higher quality than ours.
- A country filled with only people of your ethnicity, and a government that loved you and wanted the best for you. - Absolute freedom without the government stopping you unless you harm others. Want another house? Just build one. Some chickens? Just buy them and start breeding. Etc. - A lifelong marriage with and unbreakable pact between you and your wife, enforced by state and neighbors. - A life full of kids. You'd have 10, maybe 2 would die, but you'd still have much more love in your life than now. - A clan of relatives so you're surrounded by blood ties that you love and care for and they do the same for you.
a government that loved you and wanted the best for you.
Your high as fuck if you think this is or was ever true.
Peasants certainly couldn't just shit out the materials to build a house and no peasant had 2 houses. Have you ever tried building a house. I have. A small 525 square foot tiny home. Took over a year and it's still not complete or liveable.
If I wanted chickens, I can have chickens. I have 40 acres with several donkeys and a horse. I have a dog and a bird.
I'm married and have zero concern about my pact with her being interfered with.
Kids, family, extended family, etc. None of this is out of reach for anyone who prioritizes these things.
Tell me all about average lifespan, all the ways people died from preventable, curable, or remedy-able illness, injury, and disease that my health insurance covers with near zero deductible.
[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:41:08 ago (+1/-0)*
Took over a year and it's still not complete or liveable.
Typical medieval wattle and daub cottages only took days to construct.
The first European settlers to Christchurch NZ in the early 1800's, put up small single room timber shacks in a single day, after a day sawing and cutting timber to size. Modest 2 room timber cottages (with stone fireplace surround and chimney) are completed in less than a week.
Many are communally built/ erected using friends, Neighbours and family.
in an era of zero health safety/ building reg code just think tree house gone wild.
How do you imagine entire towns appeared almost overnight built from timber during the gold rush era.
Working 40 hours a week and have 10 days off a year for the best part of your life. Retire when your body gives up. But hey, at least you had an iphone to keep you amused.
You could own a frigate full of cannons and have your own merc company as a citizen and the king wouldnt give you crap, maybe he'd even ask you to lend a hand with his own army. For perspective, that is the equivalent of a modern tank or jet.
Heck, the local baron would be glad to have you on his parish, maybe even strike a dinner with the duke or the bishop. Local nobles would respect your might. Law officers would also respect you. Very high-trust societies are paradises.
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 19:54:48 ago (+0/-0)
You're kind of conflating medieval peasantry work/ manual day light labor with the introduction longer work hours of the industrial revolution, steam power, electricity and lighting now enabling work to continue almost nonstop to manufacture endless production, which previously was not possible.
Not only they had to work more because of the weather.. Meaning, sun brings life and light to work and seasons are more important (you will die in the winter if you don't prepare) BUT.. The simple fact that once the light is gone, at night.. They had nothing to do or how to do it since peasants don't read and lanterns were a luxury. Are you efficient and/or healthy to end your chores early? OK. Maybe you can enjoy extra relax time. But that does not change the fact that most peasants entire day were focused on chores with rare leasure time. Meanwhile today we even stay up all night doing whatever we want, even during winter, storms, etc.
[ - ] dass 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 14:51:07 ago (+2/-0)
The simple fact that once the light is gone, at night.. They had nothing to do or how to do it since peasants don't read and lanterns were a luxury.
Lol wut, you mean after the sun went down they didnt have fires ??, and sitting together doing carving, whittling, cloth/ garment making, story time and singing or just talking smack to each other while playing simple games of chance-like bones and knuckles ??. And all this before bringing up home-brewed alcohols.
Yes. Keep believing that peasants lived like you picture an adventure fantasy movie. Do they also go on taverns all the time? Peasants? Do you realize that not long ago.. Our great great parents were already going to sleep around 8 tops because 4am the sun starts to rise and you need to feed animals around 5am. So, in your fantasy dream... A peasant leaves work around 3pm and goes on fun adventures at night? Because they can make fire anywhere, any place? And there are no danger at night? Animals? Bandits? Yep... Keep dreaming on this dream peasant life
I mentioned the winter in my first comment. You work a lot on the other seasons because during the winter you need stock food, lumber, etc. So indeed during the winter the peasants work "less". And they for sure didn't sleep 15 hours. But they did not go on adventures and taverns as peasants in the winter.. Let's meet half way please. We are talking about peasants. Not soldiers, tax collectors, "doctors", "semi nobility".. All these other "jobs" (not peasants) might have lived as the guy in the video says (with caviats). But not peasants. I imagine during winter they might have gathered with a few neighbors some days a week, but even long distance would be dangerous.
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:27:10 ago (+1/-1)*
You need to revisit/ immerse yourself in actual history on the life and times of European peasants.
you're just making shit up.
EDIT: first you said they didn't do anything at night, because they couldn't read and had no lanterns, now you say they might have gathered with neighbors (i thought you said they had no lanterns/), but not taverns during winter. Historical accounts literally tell us taverns at night during winter where a common past time - with many accounts of individuals falling into rivers (sometimes drowning) on the way home in the dark or dying from hypothermia after passing out outside in the cold and snow.
No one ever mention peasants going on 'long distance adventures at night' except you. Just oof.
[ - ] dass -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:17:40 ago (+0/-1)*
LOl, people typically arranged daily life around the setting and rising of the sun, but to suggest no one made use of a fireplace for light at nighttime in their home/ cottage or hovel is plain stupid fcktardery.
.. A peasant leaves work around 3pm and goes on fun adventures at night? Because they can make fire anywhere, any place? And there are no danger at night? Animals? Bandits?
Lol wut?, buddy, do you not even realize the typical peasant lived in a community/ village et al - they' werent off wandering in the countryside like a vagrant for shits and giggles?.
You're all over the place.
Peasants typically had only enough animals for self-sufficiency - they don't run huge stock numbers of cattle/ large herds of cows requiring feeding/ milking at 5 am. A couple of Pigs, a few sheep, a goat or two and some chickens are easily feed in the morning after breakfast well after sunrise. You make it sound like they are operating a large modern farming co-op which requiring long work hours.
EDIT : Keep downvoting me, you're still incorrect and completely mischaraterising early medieval peasantry life
Calm down ma'am. Breathe, touch some grass.. I have not downvote any comments here. You use a lot of child's words like oof, lol, etc. Debating life of a peasant. My point is simple: we do not work more now than peasants. Period. I gave a few examples and points. Of course there are exceptions, but the focus of life back them was survival while today we have technology and safety that we do not even need to be scared of animals, seasons or even harsh weather. I'm sure if you compare life of a Chinese child labor or mine worker, it will be way harder and longer.. But look at the initial point in the video: "we work more because when we get home from work we also have chores".. What chores nowadays? We have machines for everything.. Oh god.. I need to wash my clothes.. (Put all inside a machine and press a button) now compared with peasants way of washing clothes. (Again, one silly example), you might go autistic again and pick apart but you are missing my point: the video is very wrong and whoever agrees, has a fantasy POV of peasants life
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 01:12:09 ago (+0/-0)*
Look buddy, the thing is you completely mischaracterized the life of a medieval peasant. This short form video seems to be taken from a much longer different video that did the rounds on ytube a while ago. Basically, iirc three months out of every year was for 'mandatory work' and ensuring they had stock for the winter season - the rest of the time enabled peasants to engage in whatever work they deemed useful or necessary for their own upkeep and welfare.
I'm sure if you compare life of a Chinese child labor or mine worker, it will be way harder and longer..
It's not about them, so no need to even mention it here.
compared with peasants way of washing clothes
They rarely did, and then it was a wash and scrub and hung to dry.
You keep thinking there is so much work they have to engage in daily. You completely got wrong the amount of work needed to feed their animals as well. They lived rather different lives than modern people, regards to overall cleanliness and bathing. Agree to disagree.
I don't even think we disagree on the fundamentals, only on details. Which is silly. Yes. Maybe they technically had by land law to work a lot 3 months out of the year but everything else was not sunshine and rainbow, that is it. Don't get me wrong, I personally think it's better, if your life is focus on survival, land, animals, food, you will don't even have time for "stress" (only real danger but be prepared). Those peasants own their life entirely, responsibilities and consequences were their own doing.. Missed something important? No good or water. Forgot to feed animals? Maybe lose one and have a few years of recuperation. Nowadays? You just call Uber or pizza.. My complaint is the definition of "work" and "life" is completely different and cannot be compared based on "hours on the field" because in my opinion, most of life of a peasant was work., again, because everything is his responsibility. Now? No money.? Gov can help.. Or even beg online..
[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 13:32:16 ago (+1/-0)
Ok, yea we're not really disagreeing. I also concur peasant life wasnt easy, cold, dirty and physically arduous. I just took exception with the idea that once the sun went down peasants basically switched off and did nothing until sunrise - much like today people are ultimately social creatures that thrive on social interaction, even going out of their way for it despite whatever circumstance.
One of the greatest lie of history is how much leisure we have now.
If you dig into so called primitive living, you see that they too had far far less work hours in a year, probably less than those medieval 'civilizations'.
Depends. Hunting is far far more efficient than agriculture. But it requires far more land. Agriculture is an adaptation to support larger populations.
I*'ve lived a "hunter gatherer" existence. It fucking sucks. Its WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more work then the current modem fantasy thinks it is and you go hungry more often then not.
Give me a cushy 40+ hours a week behind a desks, with centralized heating/cold and lunch hour, any day of the fucking week!
1 Caribou can yield 500 lb of meat and it'll take a single person 3 to 6 months to eat that. So you kill one animal and dress it and that's all the work you have to do for 3 to 6 months.
[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 08:31:11 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes [op] 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:40:57 ago (+1/-1)
Think about it.
Do you REALLY live better?
Do you have more access to women and free time? More access to the outdoors?
Less stress?
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 10:07:20 ago (+3/-1)
[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 02:07:32 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 03:38:23 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 08:33:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes [op] 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:37:44 ago (+2/-0)
Plus a peasant had many things you can't.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:40:30 ago (+0/-0)
These things do much for me in the line of quality of life, enjoyability of life, longevity of life, comfort, convenience, pursuit of happiness, on and on.
[ + ] registereduser
[ - ] registereduser 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:16:39 ago (+2/-0)
It is just junkie.
[ + ] hylo
[ - ] hylo 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 10:06:14 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:56:40 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 15:42:54 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 17:32:19 ago (+1/-0)*
I got dressed in my clothes, which included a pair of wolverine steel toed comfort fit boots. I took my blood pressure medication which keeps me from stroking out if my BP got too high, and shitpost here and on the fedi for about an hour.
I got into my F250 and went to work for 8 hours, working a job with good people and providing a necessary service to keep my city running as it should. During my lunch break at the local and decent burger joint, I played a few rounds of speed chess with some people on Lichess.
I got home and made dinner which included a nice waygu steak, organic asparagus, new potatoes, spicy buttered corn, and lemon jalapeño rice with beef bone broth.
After dinner, I enjoyed a nice rum and cola and played my Japanese made 1991 Ibenez guitar plugged into a fender tube amp, using Youcision guitar tutorial app to better my skills. Then, I watched a few videos on YouTube and Rumble on my large screen tv/monitor, shitposted some more here and on the fedi, and, before bed I planned out my flight home from when I pick up my airplane when it's new paint job is complete in the next week or so.
I took some melatonin, tryptophan, and Theanine, gave my wife a back message and passed out on the mattress that started my day.
Now, tell me all about how I'm basically living a peasants life but working harder for the privilege.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 17:41:26 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:13:29 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:34:02 ago (+1/-0)
Thank you, nigger.
[ + ] taoV
[ - ] taoV 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 19:40:39 ago (+1/-0)
I got dressed in my clothes made from all natural fibers. Being fit and active but not overburdened, I did not consume any herbals, though they are readily available from a local healer.
I brushed and saddled my horse and tended the fields for 6 hours with the other villagers, joking merrily while producing goods we’ll all trade for to support the village in common. A simple ploughman’s lunch kept us nourished and the work was made less tedious as we competed gently in our proficiency at it.
I got home and made dinner which included trout from the local river, plus herbs and greens from my garden and a few potatoes I picked in the field.
After dinner, I enjoyed a small beer and watched a traveling troupe enact some comedy in the village square, then taught my younger son how to craft a whistle. As the day ended we sat by the fire and I played a lute that had been my grandfather’s, who had taught me to play.
I passed easily to sleep unaided, on my goose down bed, waking only for a while in the small hours to bother my wife at the task of making more children.
Now, tell me how my life is much worse than a man with many toys a thousand years from now?
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:06:15 ago (+0/-0)
Will things ever change, i wonder?.
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[ - ] taoV 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 23:27:58 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:22:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:23:07 ago (+0/-0)
Do You mean pissing and soiling yourself, and wailing until an adult came into the room and helped you dress yourself?.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:28:47 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] VitaminSieg 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:52:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:56:09 ago (+0/-0)
Shut up, faggot.
[ + ] xachariah
[ - ] xachariah 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 15:40:22 ago (+0/-0)
- Absolute freedom without the government stopping you unless you harm others. Want another house? Just build one. Some chickens? Just buy them and start breeding. Etc.
- A lifelong marriage with and unbreakable pact between you and your wife, enforced by state and neighbors.
- A life full of kids. You'd have 10, maybe 2 would die, but you'd still have much more love in your life than now.
- A clan of relatives so you're surrounded by blood ties that you love and care for and they do the same for you.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX -2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 17:39:44 ago (+0/-2)
Your high as fuck if you think this is or was ever true.
Peasants certainly couldn't just shit out the materials to build a house and no peasant had 2 houses. Have you ever tried building a house. I have. A small 525 square foot tiny home. Took over a year and it's still not complete or liveable.
If I wanted chickens, I can have chickens. I have 40 acres with several donkeys and a horse. I have a dog and a bird.
I'm married and have zero concern about my pact with her being interfered with.
Kids, family, extended family, etc. None of this is out of reach for anyone who prioritizes these things.
Tell me all about average lifespan, all the ways people died from preventable, curable, or remedy-able illness, injury, and disease that my health insurance covers with near zero deductible.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:41:08 ago (+1/-0)*
Typical medieval wattle and daub cottages only took days to construct.
The first European settlers to Christchurch NZ in the early 1800's, put up small single room timber shacks in a single day, after a day sawing and cutting timber to size.
Modest 2 room timber cottages (with stone fireplace surround and chimney) are completed in less than a week.
Many are communally built/ erected using friends, Neighbours and family.
in an era of zero health safety/ building reg code just think tree house gone wild.
How do you imagine entire towns appeared almost overnight built from timber during the gold rush era.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:47:04 ago (+0/-0)
I don't live in a part of the world where a "single room timber shack" is acceptable or reasonable.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:51:49 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:24:29 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:34:01 ago (+1/-0)
This is what i was replying to - the first part of your 'story'.
in fact i would suggest almost every single male adult peasant likely did try or help build a house somewhere in their life. Just like you.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 10:05:18 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:57:21 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 12:28:12 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 12:51:49 ago (+0/-0)
How fuckin' dumb are you?
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 13:15:49 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 13:29:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:20:29 ago (+0/-0)
Like cholera, dysentery and fugging the missus while the kids had to cover their ears, roll the other way and look out the 'shuttered window' ?. Lol.
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[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:41:22 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:54:32 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 19:25:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:27:58 ago (+0/-1)
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[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:39:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes [op] 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 09:38:49 ago (+2/-0)
Truth is civilization requires cooperation and thus reasonable allocation of resources and fun among all or it is torn down and restarted.
I think it is easier to exploit people today than when people were living in small groups like them.
[ + ] puremadness
[ - ] puremadness 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 04:54:14 ago (+0/-0)
Complete dismissal of external influence.
I think about that a lot.
[ + ] fritz_maurentod
[ - ] fritz_maurentod 5 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 10:09:21 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:21:27 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 19:54:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 10:20:17 ago (+0/-0)
Are you efficient and/or healthy to end your chores early? OK. Maybe you can enjoy extra relax time.
But that does not change the fact that most peasants entire day were focused on chores with rare leasure time.
Meanwhile today we even stay up all night doing whatever we want, even during winter, storms, etc.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 14:51:07 ago (+2/-0)
Lol wut, you mean after the sun went down they didnt have fires ??, and sitting together doing carving, whittling, cloth/ garment making, story time and singing or just talking smack to each other while playing simple games of chance-like bones and knuckles ??. And all this before bringing up home-brewed alcohols.
I cant believe what i just read, smh.
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 15:38:40 ago (+1/-1)
Do they also go on taverns all the time?
Peasants?
Do you realize that not long ago.. Our great great parents were already going to sleep around 8 tops because 4am the sun starts to rise and you need to feed animals around 5am.
So, in your fantasy dream... A peasant leaves work around 3pm and goes on fun adventures at night? Because they can make fire anywhere, any place? And there are no danger at night? Animals? Bandits?
Yep... Keep dreaming on this dream peasant life
[ + ] xachariah
[ - ] xachariah 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 15:49:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:24:10 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 16:02:10 ago (+1/-2)
So indeed during the winter the peasants work "less". And they for sure didn't sleep 15 hours. But they did not go on adventures and taverns as peasants in the winter..
Let's meet half way please.
We are talking about peasants.
Not soldiers, tax collectors, "doctors", "semi nobility".. All these other "jobs" (not peasants) might have lived as the guy in the video says (with caviats).
But not peasants.
I imagine during winter they might have gathered with a few neighbors some days a week, but even long distance would be dangerous.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:27:10 ago (+1/-1)*
you're just making shit up.
EDIT: first you said they didn't do anything at night, because they couldn't read and had no lanterns, now you say they might have gathered with neighbors (i thought you said they had no lanterns/), but not taverns during winter.
Historical accounts literally tell us taverns at night during winter where a common past time - with many accounts of individuals falling into rivers (sometimes drowning) on the way home in the dark or dying from hypothermia after passing out outside in the cold and snow.
No one ever mention peasants going on 'long distance adventures at night' except you.
Just oof.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:17:40 ago (+0/-1)*
Lol wut?, buddy, do you not even realize the typical peasant lived in a community/ village et al - they' werent off wandering in the countryside like a vagrant for shits and giggles?.
You're all over the place.
Peasants typically had only enough animals for self-sufficiency - they don't run huge stock numbers of cattle/ large herds of cows requiring feeding/ milking at 5 am.
A couple of Pigs, a few sheep, a goat or two and some chickens are easily feed in the morning after breakfast well after sunrise.
You make it sound like they are operating a large modern farming co-op which requiring long work hours.
EDIT : Keep downvoting me, you're still incorrect and completely mischaraterising early medieval peasantry life
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 00:48:47 ago (+0/-0)*
You use a lot of child's words like oof, lol, etc. Debating life of a peasant.
My point is simple: we do not work more now than peasants. Period.
I gave a few examples and points. Of course there are exceptions, but the focus of life back them was survival while today we have technology and safety that we do not even need to be scared of animals, seasons or even harsh weather.
I'm sure if you compare life of a Chinese child labor or mine worker, it will be way harder and longer..
But look at the initial point in the video: "we work more because when we get home from work we also have chores".. What chores nowadays? We have machines for everything.. Oh god.. I need to wash my clothes.. (Put all inside a machine and press a button) now compared with peasants way of washing clothes. (Again, one silly example), you might go autistic again and pick apart but you are missing my point: the video is very wrong and whoever agrees, has a fantasy POV of peasants life
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 01:12:09 ago (+0/-0)*
This short form video seems to be taken from a much longer different video that did the rounds on ytube a while ago.
Basically, iirc three months out of every year was for 'mandatory work' and ensuring they had stock for the winter season - the rest of the time enabled peasants to engage in whatever work they deemed useful or necessary for their own upkeep and welfare.
It's not about them, so no need to even mention it here.
They rarely did, and then it was a wash and scrub and hung to dry.
You keep thinking there is so much work they have to engage in daily. You completely got wrong the amount of work needed to feed their animals as well.
They lived rather different lives than modern people, regards to overall cleanliness and bathing.
Agree to disagree.
[ + ] Murdock
[ - ] Murdock 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 02:21:14 ago (+0/-0)
Yes. Maybe they technically had by land law to work a lot 3 months out of the year but everything else was not sunshine and rainbow, that is it.
Don't get me wrong, I personally think it's better, if your life is focus on survival, land, animals, food, you will don't even have time for "stress" (only real danger but be prepared).
Those peasants own their life entirely, responsibilities and consequences were their own doing.. Missed something important? No good or water. Forgot to feed animals? Maybe lose one and have a few years of recuperation.
Nowadays? You just call Uber or pizza..
My complaint is the definition of "work" and "life" is completely different and cannot be compared based on "hours on the field" because in my opinion, most of life of a peasant was work., again, because everything is his responsibility. Now? No money.? Gov can help.. Or even beg online..
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 13:32:16 ago (+1/-0)
I just took exception with the idea that once the sun went down peasants basically switched off and did nothing until sunrise - much like today people are ultimately social creatures that thrive on social interaction, even going out of their way for it despite whatever circumstance.
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang -1 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 10:46:41 ago (+0/-1)
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[ + ] registereduser
[ - ] registereduser 3 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:20:15 ago (+3/-0)
If you dig into so called primitive living, you see that they too had far far less work hours in a year, probably less than those medieval 'civilizations'.
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 12:07:01 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 11:32:05 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] o0shad0o
[ - ] o0shad0o 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 13:44:29 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 14:18:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 2 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 14:23:13 ago (+2/-0)
Give me a cushy 40+ hours a week behind a desks, with centralized heating/cold and lunch hour, any day of the fucking week!
[ + ] DitchPig
[ - ] DitchPig 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 14:46:45 ago (+1/-0)
Fuck no, dude.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 1 point 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 18:23:54 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes [op] 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 03:40:37 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] DitchPig
[ - ] DitchPig 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 14:46:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] RobertJHarsh
[ - ] RobertJHarsh 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 17:44:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 19:50:57 ago (+0/-0)
Slavery sucks.
[ + ] puremadness
[ - ] puremadness 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 04:55:13 ago (+0/-0)
yea...at the bottom
[ + ] LiberalsAreMental
[ - ] LiberalsAreMental 0 points 7 monthsNov 7, 2024 20:13:59 ago (+0/-0)
Working 150 days a year to pay your taxes and rent is reasonably close to what many of us do.
[ + ] puremadness
[ - ] puremadness 0 points 7 monthsNov 8, 2024 04:52:35 ago (+0/-0)
I was programmed very well.
I dream about having enough money to work more.