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If Kamala wins we need to message it as the Israel issue killed Trump

submitted by x0x7 to politics 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 07:46:18 ago (+15/-1)     (politics)

It's accurate. When margins are tight any one issue counts as a swing. And the Israel issue did hurt Trump. The general public is way less positive on Israel than the political class. Now more than ever, thankfully. Took them openly committing a genocide to convince these people. There are a lot of people single issue voting on that, especially within the moderates.

And Kamala was less pro-Israel this election than Trump was. So she won those voters who care about that. It's a sizable chunk of people.

There is more than one issue one could make that argument with, that it decided the election. It's all fair because if the issue is larger than the margin then it's true. But that being pro-Israel poisoned a candidate enough to put him under the line is something we want to sell, and sell hard.

And no one in the news is going to push that narrative. So you have to. Likely in more places than here. I suppose I should change that "have to". You get to sell people on Israel having poisoned Trump.

Might as well start putting a few seeds out there ahead of the results so they know how to process it when the results come in. Today is a Trump could have won if he wasn't pro-Israel kind of day.


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[ - ] Sal_180 -1 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 08:04:43 ago (+1/-2)

Fuck Trump, the only thing that his retarded supporters will blame if he loses is the dems fixed the election. They're already saying it in preparation.

[ - ] dulcima 2 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 08:20:15 ago (+2/-0)

Why are you here? Yes, this place is generally anti-Trump but it's not a democrat fan club either.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt 0 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 13:15:07 ago (+0/-0)

Why are you here? This place isnt anti trump at all and your commenting in a post that tries to justify/rationalize why jew puppet A didnt work out.


Voting is fake and gay, Trump and Kamala bow to the same jews. Absolutely nothing and I mean NOTHING will be different between Trump winning or Kamala winning. You are all fucking retards for falling for jewish theatre.

[ - ] dulcima 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 13:28:57 ago (+1/-0)

You read all that from my comment, to Sal, who posts Dem shit all the time?

And this place is full of "Trump is a jew puppet" stuff every day. So how am I wrong?

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=6728e16f62d4f

You giant faggot.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt 0 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 15:28:45 ago (+0/-0)

As oppossed to faggots here that post gay republicuck shit all the time? Demoncraps and Republicucks are one of the same.

Your link proves nothing, ive posted flat earth proofs that get more than 5 upvoats of engagement you spastic.

[ - ] x0x7 [op] 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 16:11:11 ago (+1/-0)

But it’s still worth getting a useful narrative out of a situation where we only can lose.

If we have nothing to gain with either result might as well get something for it. If a narrative is the best we can get out of it let’s try to get it.

[ - ] SumerBreeze 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 08:06:41 ago (+1/-0)

pro-Israel poisoned a candidate enough to put him under the line is something we want to sell

It’s so fuckin true - how anyone could be so dumb as to NOT talk about a genocide funded by taxpayers is beyond me. Same shit with the genocide in Ukraine. And the worldwide plandemic democide. Hearing Trump say “finish your war” was a pretty saddening thing - like watching a nigger “parent” a retarded kid, only making you hate and blame the parent more than the kid.

I’ve heard idiots call conservatives LIBERAL for pointing out the genocide. The jews DID muddy the waters and even funded some pro-Palestinian groups making them seem more chaotic than the OCCUPY WALL STREET hooligans, though — making it seem like a bipartisan issue… but the Democrats didn’t bite.

But yea, Trump got fucked by jews - AGAIN! What an idiot!

I think the Supreme Court will bail him out though with all the illegals and their voting shenanigans.

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 2 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 08:38:03 ago (+2/-0)

It’s so fuckin true - how anyone could be so dumb as to NOT talk about a genocide funded by taxpayers is beyond me

Michael Knowles is basically just Shapiro's cover at this point. His show the other day suggested that "It's not a genocide; it's 'just' an ethnic cleansing! They're related, but not the same."

Michael is clearly an intelligent guy, so he has to know that the logical response is: "Ah, yes, very impressive... now let's see the Holocaust card."

I mean, he's against both, and he really does seem like he's trying to remain neutral (citing that the Palestinians want to cleanse the Jews as badly as the Jews want to clear the land for themselves), but that jew-loving slip shows from time to time and it drives me nuts as someone who just wants the slightest bit of representation in even mid-tier media.

At least Matt Walsh doesn't even speak on the issue - last thing he said was to the effect of: "I don't think any country, including Israel, should have our unconditional support, like Israel seems to." His silence on the issue after that comment speaks volumes.

[ - ] SumerBreeze 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 09:23:30 ago (+1/-0)

Matt Walsh doesn’t want to upset the cock that’s in his mouth.
I mean the cash flow!

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 09:41:29 ago (+1/-0)

Well yea, none of us want to be broke. The man's got six kids to feed on a single income. I'm just glad that Matt's not being completely disingenuous like Michael trying to tell us that ethnic cleansing is really nuanced and different than genocide. Matt just stopped touching it because he doesn't want to get Candace Owens'd, presumably.

I will say that at least Michael opposes the "historical home" argument because it's obviously terrible... like okay, we going to give America back to the natives? Hispaniola? Central America? South America? Jews lost Israel long before any of the Incans or Aztecs or other Native Americans lost their shit, so...

And Mike probably genuinely does want peace with jews - he seems like a "let's all get along" kinda guy. He just doesn't seem to realize that there is no peace with a people who, to a person, believe it is their destiny to enslave you. And I hate that he lets it cloud his otherwise-keen judgment and insight on the issue.

[ - ] SumerBreeze 2 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 14:10:19 ago (+2/-0)

Jews lost Israel long before

Bro, the recent DNA findings by John Hopkins University and EVEN ISRAELI RESEARCHERS have confirmed that more than 97% of judaics living in Israel aren’t even semitic - they are from what is now present day Ukraine (Khazar hypothesis):
https://www.winterwatch.net/2024/04/97-5-of-judaics-living-in-israel-have-no-hebrew-dna/
https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/5/1/75/730630
They have ZERO ties to that land and have ethnically cleansed actual semitic people from the area

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 3 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 10:03:29 ago (+3/-0)

If kamaltoe wins Trump is going to prison for the rest of his life. They will all work together and make sure of that. He made some bad missteps with his israel/kike loving. He's a fucking idiot.

[ - ] SecretHitler 3 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 12:01:07 ago (+3/-0)

What does that have to do with what OP is saying?

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 13:19:22 ago (+1/-0)

Trump will continue to have dinner with Kamala and all his jewish pals.

Your also a fucking idiot for believing in jewish theatre.

[ - ] SecretHitler 2 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 12:06:02 ago (+2/-0)

Yes, exactly. Neither candidate will help us much in office but we can still use them to keep our narratives out there. And "pro-jew = political poison" is a big one that would absolutely empower the White race.

[ - ] rabidR04CH -1 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 12:36:00 ago (+0/-1)

If the polls are accurate, I would say that Trump is losing because he was acting too confident in his last few rallies. People want him to be humble, no matter how unnatural it might be.

[ - ] x0x7 [op] 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 16:06:38 ago (+1/-0)

Maybe true. But like I said “because” is not singular because any issue larger than the margin can accurately claim to be the because. But the public doesn’t get that. They think explanations are 100% competitive. So you you have to select the because they consider. Other groups do that. Our unwillingness to shape the NPC is our downfall.

So do you want the message to be stop supporting Israel or lose or do you want it to be that in the face of neoliberalism be sheepish and don’t rock any boats.

I’d rather sell the first narrative if the public is only going to understand one.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt -2 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 13:18:18 ago (+0/-2)

Holy fuck, talk about severe copium.

Trump needs a bullet to the dome, not some faggots making excuses for his jew cock sucking.

[ - ] x0x7 [op] 1 point 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 15:54:57 ago (+1/-0)

Where did I make any excuses for him retard? I can’t help it if you have poor reading comprehension.

[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 16:22:09 ago (+0/-0)

Who is realistically the anti-Israel pro-Trump camp? White nationalists and isolationists? Probably more libertarians than not detest Trump for other reasons. White Nats like Trump for a whole different set of reasons than basically everyone else. Essentially white Nats believe Trump is racist and nativist. The same charge lefties level against him. You have to realize that normies hate these qualities. They work very hard to defend Donald Trump from the charge of racism. Harder than he deserves. And I don't think he is racist, is the worst irony. Like, dated a black woman not racist. How many dudes do you know who are that anti racist? (1)

[ - ] beece 0 points 6 monthsNov 4, 2024 21:45:51 ago (+0/-0)*

I appreciate the deep thought you brought and concept x0x7. Nice!